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Re: [birdnet] since this wasn't posted when I first wrote it...let's try it again.
- Subject: Re: [birdnet] since this wasn't posted when I first wrote it...let's try it again.
- From: "Chris Weisbender" <surferjo at xmission dot com>
- Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 20:40:23 -0600
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Being a wildlife photographer who specializes in photographing the local =
birds I can offer a few suggestions.=20
Contacting the local wildlife biologist for Fish & Game, the BLM, =
Forestry, and other similar government agencies can help you locate =
where certain species are located. Other resources are agencies that =
care for raptors or do independent studies of these animals, i.e., =
Hawkwatch International, Audubon. All can offer information and possible =
photographable bird locations. Getting to know these people is =
important. They must trust that you will not harm and that you will =
understand how to be safe around these birds.
I will caution you that photographing a nesting raptor is tricky at =
best. Depending on your focal length (a minim of 640mm) the location of =
the nest and being able to photograph it properly will be difficult. =
There will be few opportunities. If the raptor vocally starts warning =
you or acting nervous you are too close and need to back off.=20
I have witnessed both birders and photographers do stupid things to get =
a picture of a bird. However, on the whole I have found this group of =
birders to be courteous, well educated, and very knowledgeable of bird =
behavior. They do know how to safely observe birds.
It disturbs me that you felt the need to lash out at this group. The =
gentlemen merely commented that a warning had gone out about some =
"wannabe" falconers. Now whether you agree or disagree with someone =
else's point of view you is fine when it is done appropriately. Your =
attacking language and innuendos were not appropriate.=20
I hope you find a safe nest to photograph and observe. It is also my =
hope that you think a little more about tolerance and how to disagree in =
a more appropriate fashion.
Chris Weisbender
----- Original Message -----=20
From: S0CCERBUMS@aol.com=20
To: Birdnet@utahbirds.org=20
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 7:52 PM
Subject: since this wasn't posted when I first wrote =
it...let's try it again.
This was in reply to Bruce's post last week on wannabe falconer's.=20
First of all, this is not Jared, but his wife. Secondly, since "you" =
feel=20
the need he explain himself....I will reply for him. Since you find =
it your=20
business as to why he did not reply to your post ..... I don't know =
why,=20
maybe it's because he DOESN'T need to explain himself to anyone why he =
wanted=20
that information or maybe it's because he is a very busy man. =20
Now, to the "wannabe falconer" comment. I'm no Falconer by any means =
but I=20
know enough about it to know that it is STATE and FEDERALLY REGULATED. =
Maybe=20
you ought to check out the laws and regulations regarding Falconry and =
maybe=20
you'll learn that "they" take better care of their raptors then you do =
of=20
your cat or dog... or binoculars for that matter.=20
Here's an idea. Why not post where bird nests are....call the =
authorities=20
and let them know that some "wannabe falconer" will be stopping by to =
raid=20
the nest and see what happens...maybe there really are some wannabe =
falconers=20
out there who are that stupid....but let me tell you something, =
Falconry is=20
not illegal and the authorities would laugh in your face.=20
- wannabe "photographers" wife =20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2>Being a wildlife photographer who =
specializes in=20
photographing the local birds I can offer a few suggestions. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2>Contacting the local wildlife =
biologist for Fish=20
& Game, the BLM, Forestry, and other similar government =
agencies can=20
help you locate where certain species are located. Other resources =
are=20
agencies that care for raptors or do independent studies of these =
animals, i.e.,=20
Hawkwatch International, Audubon. All can offer information and possible =
photographable bird locations. Getting to know these people is =
important. They=20
must trust that you will not harm and that you will understand =
how to=20
be safe around these birds.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2>I will caution you that photographing =
a nesting=20
raptor is tricky at best. Depending on your focal length (a minim of =
640mm) the=20
location of the nest and being able to photograph it properly will be =
difficult.=20
There will be few opportunities. If the raptor vocally starts =
warning=20
you or acting nervous you are too close and need to back =
off.=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2>I have witnessed both birders and =
photographers do stupid things to get a picture of a bird. However, on =
the whole=20
I have found this group of birders to be courteous, well educated, =
and very=20
knowledgeable of bird behavior. They do know how to safely observe=20
birds.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2>It disturbs me that you felt the need =
to lash out=20
at this group. The gentlemen merely commented that a warning had =
gone out=20
about some "wannabe" falconers. </FONT> <FONT face=3DTahoma =
size=3D2>Now=20
whether you agree or disagree with someone else's point of view you is =
fine when=20
it is done appropriately. Your attacking language and innuendos were not =
appropriate. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2>I hope you find a safe nest to =
photograph and=20
observe. It is also my hope that you think a little more about tolerance =
and how=20
to disagree in a more appropriate fashion.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2>Chris Weisbender</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3DS0CCERBUMS@aol.com=20
href=3D"mailto:S0CCERBUMS@aol.com";>S0CCERBUMS@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3DBirdnet@utahbirds.org=20
href=3D"mailto:Birdnet@utahbirds.org";>Birdnet@utahbirds.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 18, 2001 =
7:52 PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [birdnet] since this =
wasn't=20
posted when I first wrote it...let's try it again.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 =
face=3D"Arial Narrow"=20
size=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">This was in reply to Bruce's post last =
week on=20
wannabe falconer's.<B> <BR><BR>First of all, this is not Jared, but =
his wife.=20
Secondly, since "you" feel <BR>the need he explain himself....I =
will=20
reply for him. Since you find it your <BR>business as to why he =
did not=20
reply to your post ..... I don't know why, <BR>maybe it's =
because he=20
DOESN'T need to explain himself to anyone why he wanted <BR>that =
information=20
or maybe it's because he is a very busy man. <BR><BR>Now, to =
the=20
"wannabe falconer" comment. I'm no Falconer by any means but I =
<BR>know=20
enough about it to know that it is STATE and FEDERALLY REGULATED. =
Maybe=20
<BR>you ought to check out the laws and regulations regarding Falconry =
and=20
maybe <BR>you'll learn that "they" take better care of their raptors =
then you=20
do of <BR>your cat or dog... or binoculars for that matter. =
<BR><BR>Here's an=20
idea. Why not post where bird nests are....call the authorities =
<BR>and=20
let them know that some "wannabe falconer" will be stopping by to raid =
<BR>the=20
nest and see what happens...maybe there really are some wannabe =
falconers=20
<BR>out there who are that stupid....but let me tell you something, =
Falconry=20
is <BR>not illegal and the authorities would laugh in your face. =
<BR><BR>-=20
wannabe "photographers" wife <BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#000000 size=3D3=20
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