Canada vs. Cackling Goose

By Bryant Olsen and Ryan O'Donnell
(Text is taken from BirdTalk emails)


Heres some information about the different subspecies of Canada and Cackling Geese and how you can tell the apart

Articles on the Subject
Mark Stackhouse's Article   Article from montereybay.com    Article from Ontario, Canada

Ryan O'Donnell suggests Reading a  2008 article by Mlodinow on Cackling Goose identification in North American Birds


Subspecies Breakdown:  (see details on each subspecies)

Canada Goose Brant canadensis
  
Subspecies: B. c. canadensis, B. c. interior, B. c. maxima, B. c. moffitti, B. c. parvipes, B. c. occidentalis, B. c. fulva

Cackling Goose Branta hutchinsii
  
Subspecies:    B. h. hutchinsii, B. h. taverneri, B. h. minima, B. h. leucopareia
 


          Photos by Bryant Olsen at Liberty Park in Salt Lake City and

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9 Feb 2010 - Bryant Olsen: Yet another small goose I saw in Liberty Park,SLC, mixed in with the Canada Geese. I think it is a different individual from the one I saw last week because it lacked the partial white collar at the base of the neck, and seemed smaller too. I heard it "honk", and it had a high pitched,week voice. I am thinking this one is a Richardson's Cackling Goose(Branta hutchinsii ssp.hutchinsii), based on the pale breast. I have been driving my self mad trying to figure out how to differentiate the different subspecies of the "White Cheeked" Geese. 
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Relocated hutchinsii

Video with sound of voice

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  Ryan O'Donnell: (email 10 Feb 2010)    Regarding your bird from 9 Feb 2010 (three pictures above) I agree with you that this is a Richardson's Cackling Goose, B. h. hutchinsii, for the same reasons as in my last email regarding the 3 Feb bird.
  
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7 Feb 2009 - Bryant Olsen: A rather strange Canada Goose with a dark breast. I wonder if it may be a Cackling Goose(Branta hutchinsii ssp. taverneri), or just a abnormal Great Basin (Branta canadensis ssp, moffitti) with a dark breast. 

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  Ryan O'Donnell: (email 10 Feb 2010)  I believe what you have here in the main photo is a Taverner's Cackling Goose (B. h. taverneri) at far right, and two other Cackling Geese, probably Richardson's Cackling Geese (B. h. hutchinsii) in the middle, based on their relatively pale breasts and short bills. Their heads don't look as blocky as I'd expect for B. h. hutchinsii, but that can vary based on posture. Taverner's do occassionally have pale breasts, and I'm not 100% sure that we can be certain these aren't also taverneri, but they are certainly Cacklers of some kind and my money is on Richardson's. The left-most bird is a little trickier and I'm not 100% confident calling it based on this shot, but I feel about 80% sure that it is a Lesser Canada Goose, B. canadensis parvipes. Notice especially the curved culmen (top of the bill) and longer bill relative to the goose next to it. Its body also looks slightly larger, although not obviously so in this shot
  
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Bryant Olsen: A rather strange Canada Goose with a dark breast. I wonder if it may be a Cackling Goose(Branta hutchinsii ssp. taverneri)or just a abnormal Great Basin (Branta canadensis ssp, moffitti) with a dark breast.  

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  Ryan O'Donnell: (email 10 Feb 2010)  ...The second shot here, the first one in the comments, is a little trickier because the birds are looking a little more towards us - we don't have as good of a profile shot of the bills.  To me, this looks like parvipes at left, hutchinsii in the middle, and taverneri at right.  The left-most bird may instead be a second hutchinsii - I just don't trust the angle of the head in this shot. 
  
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Bryant Olsen: A rather strange Canada Goose with a dark breast. I wonder if it may be a Cackling Goose(Branta hutchinsii ssp. taverneri)or just a abnormal Great Basin (Branta canadensis ssp, moffitti) with a dark breast.  

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  Ryan O'Donnell: (email 10 Feb 2010)  ...The third shot, the second one in the comments, looks like we are back to two Richardson's at left and one Taverneri's at right. 
  
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Bryant Olsen: This small goose made think it was a Cackling Goose, but I now think it is just a Lesser Canada Goose(Branta canadensis ssp.parvipes) 

(Bryant - email 9 Feb 2010)
...And sure enough today in Liberty Park I saw another smallish goose. I think it is a different individual than the one I saw last week, since it lacked the partial white collar on the base of the neck, and seemed smaller. I even heard it "honk", and it had a high pitched,week voice. Here are some photos for anyone willing to take pitty on me and offer an opinion.

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(Email: 10 Feb 2010 - About the three pictures above - K, L and M)

Ryan P. O'Donnell: I just got to look at the photo you posted a few days ago (link ) and I think that it is indeed a Cackling Goose. I think it is obvious that it is not a leucopareia or a minima because it is too pale on the breast. The trick then becomes separating parvipes from hutchinsii/taverneri. In my opinion, the blocky, angular head; short neck; short head (from bill to nape); short bill; straight culmen; acute angle from the culmen to the forehead; and the slight indent in the white cheek patch behind the eye all point solidly towards a hutchinsii Cackling Goose. Parvipes are smaller than our breeding Canadas (moffitti), but they still have a longer bill, longer neck, and longer head than your bird. Taverneri typically have a more rounded (less angular, but still short) head and a darker breast, although there is variation in this and some birds I've seen in Utah have seemed intermediate between taverneri and hutchinsii. Most of the birds I've seen in Utah have been the subspecies you photographed, hutchinsii, although there are records of all four subspecies of Cackling Goose in the state.

I think your bird looks much like this one that I photographed a little over a year ago:   Note that in photo A you can see the hutchinsii Cackling Goose at center, several parvipes Canada Geese behind it to the right, and a probable moffitti Canada Goose with its body straight behind the Cackling Goose's head.. Photo B shows a side-by-side comparison of parvpipes and hutchinsii geese. Note that the neck is outstretched on your bird so that it looks longer than that of the bird in my photographs, but both birds have short necks when the posture of the bird is considered. Finally, you highlighted a faint neck collar on your bird. A bold neck collar would be a strong indicator of a leucopariea Cackling Goose, but a faint neck collar like this could show up on just about any other subspecies of Cackling or Canada Goose, and therefore doesn't help us much in our identification.

The comments on your flickr page by bp250 mention that the pale breast eliminates Cackling Goose from consideration. I noticed that bp250 is from California, where most Cackling Geese are the dark-breasted minima or leucopareia subspecies. I suspect this is where the erroneous impression that Cackling Geese have dark breasts comes from. Indeed, the breast of hutchinsii is usually paler than that of parvipes. The tone of the breast is very helpful in determining the SUBspecies, but is useless on its own for determining the SPECIES, because Canadas range from very dark (e.g. occidentalis) to very pale (e.g. maxima) and Cacklers also range from very dark (e.g. minima) to very pale (e.g. hutchinsii).

Summary by Ryan O'Donnell on 10 Feb 2010:

...One of the things that gave me pause when I first dove into the Cackling/Canada problem about two years ago in Cache County was that I kept finding more Cackler's than I expected to. They were not common, but they were easily the most common of the review list species I had seen. I felt that I could usually find a Cackling Goose or two in most large flocks of Canadas. In a way expecting them to be rare was good, because it made me double-check my identifications and pay closer attention to subspecies. In the end, I came away with the conclusion that I think you are coming to now, Bryant: Cackling Geese are rare but regular in Utah in winter. I encourage others to get involved in these identification discussions and to check your local flocks of White-cheecked Geese. Many questions remain to be answered. In what frequency do the various subspecies of Cackling Geese occur in winter? When in the year do they arrive and when do they leave? What is the ratio of Lesser Canada Geese to Great Basin Canada Geese in winter? Are there differences around the state in the frequencies of Cackling Geese? Sometimes I feel that there are not a lot of mysteries left in birding. But the Cackling/Canada question leaves many for us to solve.
 

 


          
Photos by Bryant Olsen
  

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