2024-31 Zone-tailed
Hawk
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
6 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
Nice documentation photo in expected area. |
Keeli M. |
23 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
Great photo and description supportive of ID. |
Bryant
O. |
30 May 2024 |
Acc |
Nice
photo
of an adult |
Kris P. |
6 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
13 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
Definitive photos at a known location. |
Dennis S. |
8 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
Ventral flight photos leave no shadow of doubt.
Often seen in this area. |
Mark S. |
7 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
Good documentation; photo shows Zone-tailed
Hawk. |
David
W. |
5 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
Good photo and writeup. |
Kevin
W. |
13 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
Photos show the banded tail and lightly barred
underwing characteristic of the species. |
2024-32 Common
Gallinule
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
11 Jun 2024 |
No, ID |
Again - the slough of records from this observer
with no physical evidence and no re-finds despite many birders visiting
the site is a bit concerning. I could be convinced otherwise, and I am not
sure what other species this would be confused with, but I am hesitant to
accept. |
2nd round:
|
31 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Changing my vote to accept based on other
member’s comments. I agree that this record really couldn’t be confused
with anything else, just wish we had some additional evidence or
observations. |
Keeli M.
2nd: |
21 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Accepting this record because the written
description seems to support ID and rule out anything else it could be,
but echoing others' concerns that no one else has been able to relocate or
confirm this bird. |
Bryant
O. |
7 Jun 2024 |
No, ID |
I'm confused by the main ID feature, Candy Corn
Bill? Aren't Candy Corns orange, yellow and white? Not red with a yellow
tip? No mention of brown on back and white line on side. Maybe a Coot with
a yellow stained bill? No one else has reported this bird, seems
questionable. |
2nd round:
|
31 Jul 2024 |
No, ID |
I still think there are a number of problems
with this record. A) There is no actual description of the color of the
bill, just "Candy Corn" which is not a color. A lot of assumption is going
into that statement. Also juvenile coots often have yellow bills that
could be called "Candy Corn". See
https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/589138571 B)Coots also have white
butts(UTC), less white but its still there. C)There is poor habitat. COGA
like marshes, Sand Hollow res. has only a few small marshes, most
shoreline is open sand and open water, unless things have dramatically
changed. There are a lot of problems with Washington county COGA records
because they were not flagged on the filter until after 2018, and many
reports on eBird are questionable at best and most just plain bad data.
But despite that there is only 1 ever report of COGA at Sand Hollow, in
2018 with no comments, which puts it in the bad data camp. D)This was also
during the time a lot of other birders were there looking for rarities,
why did no one else report one? This is all even without considering the
reliability of the observer. |
Kris P. |
8 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
A straightforward record. The description
mentions the bill color, white flank line and white in the tail, and
eliminates coots. Check, check, check and check. |
2nd round:
|
18 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
No change in opinion. I think this documentation
is sufficient to establish the ID and eliminate the coot. |
Mike
S. |
26 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
I believe the written description (particularly
the bill) eliminates similar species. The relatively high water levels at
Sand Hollow have recently created some good habitat for this species with
flooded vegetation at the southeast end of the reservoir. |
2nd round:
|
2 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
While I wish the description provided a bit more
clarity, I still believe it adequately establishes the ID. |
Dennis S. |
11 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
The descriptions lack several additional
distinguishing characters, but there's probably enough for acceptance. |
2nd round:
|
29 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
No additional serious problems with acceptance.
|
Mark S. |
7 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
Description fit this distinctive bird and
adequately eliminates similar species. |
David
W. |
13 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
Paul sure has been seeing a lot of good birds
lately. |
2nd round:
|
15 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Continuing to accept. Nothing else I know on
this side of the ocean matches this description. |
Kevin
W. |
14 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
Seems like the colored bill and white in the
tail eliminate similar coots. |
2nd round:
|
7 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Continuing to accept. I think the description
eliminates other possibilities, and the habitat is appropriate. |
2024-33 Chestnut-sided
Warbler
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
6 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
Observer has experience with eastern warblers,
and description eliminates other potential candidates. I can't think of
any other warbler that this could be confused with. |
Bryant
O. |
7 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
Good field notes by an observer familiar with
this species. |
Kris P. |
9 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
26 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
Good written documentation eliminates similar
species. |
Dennis S. |
8 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
Good detailed report and discussion with son. |
Mark S. |
7 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
Excellent description. |
David
W. |
5 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
Very thorough and convincing description of a
distinctive species. |
Kevin
W. |
14 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
The description, including the chestnut flanks,
clean belly, and facial markings all seem good for Chestnut-sided Warbler. |
2024-34 Laughing
Gull
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
11 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
Nicely documented by many. |
Keeli M. |
7 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Dark wing-tips support ID and differentiation
from FRGU as all FRGU should have at least a little white in the wing
tips. BOGU would be noticeably smaller and daintier. |
Bryant
O. |
7 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
Great photos support ID. I believe it is a 2nd
cycle bird. |
Kris P. |
11 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
A robust record. All the details, the
willingness to consult with others and the photos are strong points, not
to mention lots of subsequent observers. |
Mike
S. |
26 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
Photos show a Laughing Gull. All black wingtips
and long, drooping bill eliminates similar species. I also
observed/photographed this bird with Rick Fridell + Steve & Cindy
Sommerfeld on June 5th. |
Dennis S. |
9 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
7 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
Good description; photos show a Laughing Gull. |
David
W. |
13 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
Convincing photos showing the decurved bill.
Seen by many. |
Kevin
W. |
14 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
Good photos submitted, showing no white in the
primaries/ wingtips, eliminating similar, expected, and also present
Franklin's Gull |
2024-35 Least Tern
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
11 Jun 2024 |
No, ID |
Same concerns as the other records submitted by
this observer. "Target species based on Ebird bar charts" with a species
like LETE in Utah gives me pause. He mentions here that he has a Nikon
Camera, why not use it to obtain a photo? |
2nd round:
|
31 Jul 2024 |
No, ID |
I agree that there isn’t quite enough detail
included in this record to be confident that this was without a doubt a
Least Tern. More details about the age, white forehead, leg color would be
helpful. It sounds like there may have been others who observed the bird,
I may change my vote if additional information would be provided to
substantiate the record. |
Keeli M. |
7 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Reluctantly accepting. It would not be the first
record for that area, however, accepting without photographic support
makes me hesitant on this record. Small size, tail shape, and yellow bill
are diagnostic. The overconfidence of observer gives me pause. |
2nd round:
|
9 Aug 2024 |
No, ID |
Also changing my vote because the rest of the
committee seem to share my concerns about the overconfidence of the
observer's statements and incomplete description.. |
Bryant
O. |
7 Jun 2024 |
No, ID |
No mention of the white forehead or yellow legs.
Size can be deceptive as can color in weird light. Nobody else reported
this bird despite a hoard of people looking for the Laughing Gull. All
seems sketchy. |
2nd round:
|
31 Jul 2024 |
No, ID |
Incomplete description, observer was "looking
for this bird" which caused bias. Lots of others there looking at other
rarities and didn't report this bird. Unless Rick Fridel also submits a
record or comments about this record, his account is hearsay(was that this
record or another?) |
Kris P. |
28 Jun 2024 |
To 2nd |
I'm having a very hard time voting in favor of
this record despite the observer reporting seeing a yellow bill due to:
-The continuing theme of no evidence and 100% confidence; confidence is
not evidence
--This record and several others by this observer have taken on a quality
of reporting a bird to a hotline rather than contributing to a database
that requires the observer to critically review and defend the sighting,
and to provide the strongest substantiation available
- No apparent attempt to substantiate the sighting by finding out if the
other observers present saw the bird (perhaps because of being 100%
confident). There was time to shore up this sighting with other birders'
reports, if there were any
- Not reporting the white forehead and black eye-line, which must have
been as visible as a yellow bill
- Comparing the size of the tern with a species not present
- The profoundly low chance that a Least Tern would be present in the
first week of June because the eBird bar chart reflected historical
sightings during that week. The bar in Utah's eBird bar chart is supported
with four sightings during that week in the history of eBird (yes, I
checked every one). The bar in Washington County's bar chart is due to one
sighting during that week in the history of eBird. And the Least Tern
becomes the birder's target bird? And then he logs one? I doubt the
observer knew the extremely low likelihood of the species in the state as
represented by that bar; I think seeing the bar planted an unrealistic
expectation and may have become a case of "I wouldn't have seen it if I
hadn't believed it." The high improbability of Least Terns in Utah in the
first week of June on top of my other doubts has become the factor in
sending this record to the second round for discussion.
I'd like everyone's counsel on this: Does the report of the yellow bill
overcome all other factors?
I'm also willing to take this discussion to our e-mail list serve as we've
done in the past in the rare circumstance of questioning the observer in
this manner. |
2nd round:
|
7 Aug 2024 |
No, ID |
Several of you shared my concern about Paul not reporting the obvious
feature of the white forehead, and that the yellow bill wasn't enough,
among other concerns. The black tip on that bill must not be more than
about a centimeter long at the most, and so not reporting the more obvious
white forehead and high-contrast face pattern are serious omissions.
Mike's knowing other(s) saw this bird means there was back-up for the
sighting, not either sought or cited because ... why? I don't have the
impression this observer thinks in terms of what he reports requires
substantiation and perhaps he has misconstrued the purpose submitting
sight records. Hotlines allow birders to say, "I saw this" with no
evidence or substantiation; databases require much more. The submission
form asks for detailed information and the website educates submitters on
how/what to provide. But that information was not offered in this record,
and in other recent records.
And so it looks like this is an important sighting given the very unlikely
date that will not become part of the database given incomplete reporting,
a history of no evidence/other observers/observer credibility. |
Mike
S. |
5 Jul 2024 |
No, ID |
I don't believe I can accept based on the
documentation provided, which is unfortunate since this bird was also
observed by Rick Fridell (and possibly others) later this day.
Unfortunately, I can't use that as a review criteria without photos or
additional write-ups.
Almost the entire description is based on the small size and yellow bill,
which are useful field marks (particularly the bill). However, I am
troubled by the description of a black cap without any note of a white
forehead, which is one of the most obvious features of this species.
I don't have too much doubt that a Least Tern was present, and the timing
would be consistent with past records of this species (apparently why the
observer was targeting this species to begin with). However, I don't
believe the documentation here quite rises to a level that I am
comfortable with accepting. |
2nd round:
|
2 Aug 2024 |
No, ID |
No change of opinion. |
Dennis S. |
11 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
I'm not "100% certain" of his ID, the overall
description leaves much to be desired, but again it's defined small size
and yellow bill is probably enough for acceptance. |
2nd round:
|
29 Jul 2024 |
No, ID |
After rereading the report and the concerns of
most voting members 3 or 4 times, I feel comfortable with changing my vote
to no positive Id. Again the "100% Confidence" statement of identification
( which again is a turnoff) needs to be supported by 100% reporting of all
possible characteristics - "beyond a reasonable doubt." |
Mark S. |
7 Jun 2024 |
To 2nd |
I'd like some discussion on this record. I'm
puzzled as to why the observer obsessed over the bill color, and didn't
note the obvious white forehead. If the bird had a yellow bill, it would
have been in breeding plumage (as expected this time of year). It's far
easier to see the white forehead than the bill color. Also, only some
Least Terns have a black bill tip, and even those that do only have a tiny
black tip. Other than "more agile," there is nothing about Least Tern
distinctive, fluttery flight style.
I'm left with size (with apparently no other terns present) and impression
of bill color as the only real characteristics to establish this i.d.
Neither of those inspire much confidence. From the description, I could
make this a pale-billed Forster's.
But please, feel free convince me to accept this record. |
David
W. |
26 Jun 2024 |
No, ID |
I'm a bit conflicted by this record. I've always
been amazed at how tiny Least terns look compared to all other terns in
this part of the world, yet the observer compared its size to a Black tern
(which, despite being nearly as short as the Least tern is much more
massive in appearance--1.4 vs 2.1 oz per Wikipedia). And yet the
description of bill color is very convincing, eliminating a juvie
Forster's. Also, the behavior is right.
I'm also troubled by:
-- the lack of other terns in the area for size comparison
-- the lack of face pattern description (which also always struck me as
notable whenever I've seen the species)
-- the lack of age in the record (Are we talking about an adult bird, as I
suppose, or an immature? Should be an obvious call.).
I was going to pass this to the second round, but the more I read the
details, the more I think I'll vote NO instead. |
2nd round:
|
1 Aug 2024 |
No, ID |
If others saw this bird, then I hope they submit
a record. However, I will not vote to accept this record based on the
information provided, for reasons provided in my First Round comments. I
think the observer may well have seen a Least tern but he has not provided
enough evidence to assuage my concerns. That's unfortunate because this
would be a significant record. |
Kevin
W. |
14 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
Description of small size, bright yellow bill,
and black cap eliminate other possibilities. |
2nd round:
|
7 Aug 2024 |
No, ID |
Changing my vote based on concerns raised by
others. The report should have been more detailed and included other vital
details. The observer could have seen a Least Tern, but doesn’t provide
enough information to conclude “100%” that he did. |
2024-36 Mexican
Duck
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
11 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
Seems good for MEDU, good write-up and
description |
Keeli M. |
7 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Tail in the photos looks like it might have a
little whitish edging that might be wear, or might be a little intergrade,
but I think this bird is showing enough MEDU characteristics to accept ID. |
Bryant
O. |
7 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
No sign of hybrid on that bird, brown tail no
black in rump |
Kris P. |
11 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
5 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Photos appear to show a Mexican Duck. I don't
believe this individual would stand out when compared to other accepted
records of this species. |
Dennis S. |
9 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
8 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
Good documentation, no signs of hybridization
with Mallard. Observer's point regarding the status of this as a review
species in Utah is worth consideration. |
David
W. |
13 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
Looks to be within our "purity" standards. |
Kevin
W. |
14 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
Description, coupled with photos, indicate that
dark crown without green, no curl in the tail, yellowish bill, contrast
between the neck and breast - all good for Mexican Duck. As the observer
indicates, it seems that this species is becoming more common in Northern
Arizona, and seems to be in Utah. |
2024-37 Lark
Bunting
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
11 Jun 2024 |
No, ID |
Similar concerns to other records submitted by
this observer. |
2nd round:
|
31 Jul 2024 |
No, ID |
The delayed timing in the submission of the
record from the observation is concerning, and I find it interesting that
he reported it to the hotline shortly after another LABU sighting. Also –
there were a couple of LABU overwintering near Lake Powell, which is
probably why he was emailing Alex Harper from Red Rock Audubon Society in
Las Vegas – so he probably had LABU on his mind. Something just doesn’t
sit right/add up here. I am finding these records by this observer
challenging. Even though I think the write-up is pretty solid, It seems
like there are too many additional factors here that are causing me to be
hesitant. It is pretty easy to convince yourself over time that you saw
something you wanted to see. |
3rd round:
|
26 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Thanks to Mike S. for providing the additional
information. I agree with others that there is enough to establish the ID,
and it helps that he reported it at the time to the local group. |
Keeli M. |
7 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Given the description with the large white wing
bar (covert edging), and description of bill shape, streaky breast and
face pattern, and white tail edging, I'm having trouble thinking of
anything else it could have been. LASP juveniles might look similar, but
observation is wrong time of year for juvenile LASP plumage. |
2nd round:
|
9 Aug 2024 |
No, ID |
Changing my vote because after reflection,
there's too much doubt in a 6 month old memory record. |
3rd round:
|
29 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Appreciate the additional information as well
and changing my vote. |
Bryant
O. |
7 Jun 2024 |
No, ID |
Seems to be from memory several month after the
fact? To many lose ends here. |
2nd round:
|
31 Jul 2024 |
No, ID |
My concerns about this being from memory months
after the fact still remain |
3rd round:
|
21 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
I guess I read the report wrong, the email does
contain the description which sounds like a LARB, which is know to
occasionally winter in St. George area. |
Kris P. |
12 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
This record is thorough and the notes shared
shortly after the sighting is a plus. It includes the important
characters, especially the long whitish wing-patch. |
2nd round:
|
1 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
I'm continuing to accept. The details reported
are accurate for a Lark Bunting and the timing is right for a wintering
bird. Given that Paul composed the substance of the report from an e-mail
he sent the day after the sighting, he documented the details of the bird
then (additional comments section) and not 6 months after he saw it to
produce this record. Also, he stated he was not aware of Mike's sighting
until he (Paul) reported this Lark Bunting to the local text group. So I
don't see this sighting being produced by the power of suggestion. He
wasn't looking for Lark Buntings, said it was a surprise, and wasn't aware
of Mike's bird yet. |
3rd round:
|
21 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
The source document for the bird's description
(additional comments) is dated a day after the sighting, and Mike's
offering Paul's text of the bird on the same date of this record further
validates that Paul wasn't conjuring the details of the description months
after he saw the bird.
These details are correct for a Lark Bunting as is the timing, and so I'll
stick with my Accept vote.
I have a theory as to why this observer submitted seven records within a
short period of time and why at least this one was months old. Paul is a
new resident of Washington County. He said in 2024-19, Least Bittern, that
Mike S. informed him the bittern was a review species when he (Paul)
reported the bird to the local text group. My theory is that Mike's info
made Paul aware of the review list for the first time and so Paul
submitted records on review list species he had seen/continued to see in
his short tenure here at that time. The Lark Bunting was the oldest
sighting, but he also reported and described the bird to others
immediately in January which created timely source documents. |
Mike
S. |
9 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Adequate written documentation establishes the
ID. |
2nd round:
|
12 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
I still believe the combination of features
described is adequate for a Lark Bunting and eliminates similar species.
For those who are expressing concern about the delayed reporting, I
remembered Paul reporting this bird in our local text group so I just did
a search and found the following text from January 12:
"Female(?) lark bunting with a host of white crowns etc on Floratech rd.
... Heavy conical bil, broad black lateral throat stripe, base of bill
looks black, unusually long, broad wing bar a tad buffy, white tail tip
seen in flight. Smaller than nearby female redwing. Pretty good looks."
While that doesn't add much to the ID, it at least shows that this
observation was not entirely based on memory months later. |
3rd round:
|
22 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
No change of opinion. |
Dennis S. |
9 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
Why so long in reporting? |
2nd round:
|
29 Jul 2024 |
No, ID |
Again my #1 concern is why such a delayed time
in reporting? Even the reporter admits to " not remembering clearly the
details when writing the report, and only" thinking" he could mentally
remember the details,doesn't make his observation convincing. A 6 month
memory record would never stand up in court! |
3rd round:
|
3 Sep 2024 |
No, ID |
No change of opinion. |
Mark S. |
8 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
Good documentation; description fits female-type
Lark Bunting, and adequately eliminates similar species. |
2nd round:
|
19 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
I still think the description adequately
eliminates other species, especially for a species as distinctive as this
is, even in the female. I'm not concerned about the delay in submission,
that can be caused by any number of factors. Mike's note about the earlier
text report adds credence to this record.
It is also worth noting that the timing of this sighting is not outside of
know patterns of occurrence for this species. |
3rd round:
|
25 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
I appreciate Mike's additional information about
this sighting, and more contemporary comments from the observer at the
time of the sighting. I don't see any real grounds for rejecting this
record based upon the details presented, nor for reasons of extreme rarity
or difficulty in identification, and am not comfortable basing judgement
on prejudice regarding the observer or timing of the submission. |
David
W. |
26 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
This is a soft accept. I wish more effort had
been put into differentiating between other sparrows, perhaps with a
leucistic patch, but the time of year should make those equally unlikely. |
2nd round:
|
8 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Despite the controversy regarding the timing of
the submittal, I continue to vote a very soft accept . |
3rd round:
|
28 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
I think most objections to this report have been
well addressed, largely due to Mike's diligence (thank you, Mike!). Sounds
like a Lark bunting to me. |
Kevin
W. |
6 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Mine is a soft "accept" vote, and I could be
swayed. The description seems to match, and I can't fit the description to
anything else except maybe a Lark Sparrow or Blue Grosbeak, although the
reporter eliminates these as options. It is rare for the species to be in
the area mid summer like this, although there's an eBird record in
Washington City in August, so maybe not unprecedented. |
2nd round:
|
7 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
I note that I was wrong in what I assumed from
the report was the date of the
sighting; I was using the date of submission erroneously. Given the time
of year observed and the details provided, I don’t see what else it could
be. |
3rd round:
|
13 Sep 2024 |
Acc |
Continuing to accept based on the details
provided. |
2024-38 Tricolored
Heron
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
21 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
Looks good for Tri-colored Heron. |
2nd round:
|
31 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
While the photos/angle aren’t the best, I am
pretty sure that I see white in the neck and belly in photo C, and maybe a
little bit in additional photos. Between the written description and
photos, I still think there is enough here to be confident that it is a
Tricolored Heron, and the likeliness that is a hybrid is much lower than a
pure TRHE. Continuing to accept. |
Keeli M. |
7 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Photos and description support TRHE ID and rule
out GBHE and LBHE, although this bird sounds like it had some retained
nonbreeding characteristics which seem strange for the time of year. |
2nd round:
|
9 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Continuing to accept this record based on the
combination of photos and description. The length and color of the bill,
the white in the throat, and the description clinch the ID for me. |
Bryant
O. |
7 Jun 2024 |
To 2nd |
I'm confused by how dark this bird is, no photos
show white in the belly or throat, although the yellow face is off for a
Little Blue. I wonder if a strange hybrid can be eliminated? |
2nd round:
|
10 Jul 2024 |
No, ID |
What am I missing here? I don't see a white
belly or line down neck of a TRHE, it does have some white in throat, and
a yellow bill, so not a LBHE. We can't explain the overly dark plumage as
being immature, as immature TRHE are paler than adults with a reddish head
and neck, and just as much white.
LBHE X TRHE are known
https://media.ebird.org/catalog?taxonCode=x00696
I imagine there is some variation in that hybrid complex, and that seems
the best explanation, even though a hybrid is much less likely than a pure
bird.
Am I just nuts to no see this as a TRHE? |
Kris P. |
16 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
This was an excellent effort to tag-team the
bird's ID and secure evidence resulting in a thorough record. |
2nd round:
|
1 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
The written paragraph David cited describing
the bird carried great weight for me because the white underparts are
important in this species and the visual evidence doesn't show them well.
I love me some evidence, but I think a lot of information can get filtered
out inadvertently and we can become overly reliant on pictures when the
observers' whole experience has to be taken into account. Thankfully, we
have the written description of the bird's lower parts and it matches a
Tricolored Heron. One of my first-round notes to myself was "wish I could
see the pale neck stripe", and while I can see a little bit on the throat,
it's not a satisfying length of stripe. I'm more inclined to agree this
was as a result of angle and lighting rather than hybridization. |
Mike
S. |
9 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Photos/video combined with the written
description eliminates similar species. |
2nd round:
|
12 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
This bird does strike me as a bit odd for the
reasons mentioned by Bryant, although a very close examination does appear
to show most of the typical TRHE features (thanks to David for that
thorough analysis). We probably cannot definitively eliminate a LBHE x
TRHE hybrid based on these photos alone, but that hybrid combo is
extremely rare with no western records on eBird (and only 4 or 5 east of
the Rockies). Overall, I believe the photos and description are consistent
with a Tricolored Heron. |
Dennis S. |
9 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
|
2nd round:
|
29 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
The photos may not be completely clear, but the
excellent, detailed write-up is convincing enough. |
Mark S. |
8 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
I was preparing to question this record, because
the photos and first part of the video gave me a Little Blue Heron vibe
(in spite of the white belly/wing linings reported in the written
description), but towards the end of the video, the long neck, long thin
bill, and white belly of a Tricolored Heron are visible, alleviating my
concerns. This is a Tricolored. |
2nd round:
|
19 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Still see sufficient evidence in the video to
eliminate other species - this is a Tricolored Heron. |
David
W. |
13 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
The excellent writeup was very helpful in
differentiating this bird from other small herons. |
2nd round:
|
15 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
I agree that the white belly and neck pattern
are difficult to see, and it gave me pause upon first seeing the photos,
but I think closer inspection shows this to indeed be a Tricolored heron:
1. I think the white belly and "thighs" can clearly be seen in several of
the photos, especially A, C, and D.
2. The white "shoulder" on the wing is visible in a couple photos.
3. The long thin bill and facial color clearly match the Tricolored.
4. The neck is never facing us to give a clear view, but even there one
can see clear white in the throat of photo A.
5. In some of the photos, there is a barely discernable brownish wash to
the back consistent with a Tricolored.
And if the photos are not entirely satisfying, there is the written
description which covers the bases:
"The bill was long, with a lighter, yellowish base and darker tip. Once it
stretched, lifting its wings, the white belly and underwing coverts were
obvious and immediately ruled out the Little Blue Heron idea. There were
two short yellowish plumes coming out the back of the head, the front of
the neck was yellow with some dark mottling contrasting with a dark
breast. The dark breast contrasted with the white belly. The back had
light, almost yellow feathers on its lower back. The skin around the eyes
was yellow."
When I look at the photos in the interesting link sent by Bryant, I don't
see a bird that matches this one. I think the lack of obvious neck stripe
in the photos is explained better by angle of the photos than invoking
hybridization.
BTW, I cannot get the video to run on my computers, so I cannot use that
as evidence either way. |
Kevin
W. |
6 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
The photos, showing a dark heron/egret with a
white belly and bicolored bill fit Tricolored Heron for me. |
2nd round:
|
7 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Continuing to accept based on the photos and
well-written description. |
2024-39 Chestnut-sided
Warbler
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
21 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
Very weird/interesting song, nice documentation
by many. |
Keeli M. |
23 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
Photos and description support ID. Interesting
that Merlin failed to ID it for several observers (possibly due to the
fact that it would not be on the list of expected species for Utah, but
interesting to me nonetheless). Male in breeding plumage singing his
little heart out. |
Bryant
O. |
8 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
Photo leaves no doubt |
Kris P. |
9 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
5 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Nice photos leave no doubt. |
Dennis S. |
9 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
8 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
Good documentation and photos. |
David
W. |
13 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
Well-documented bird. |
Kevin
W. |
6 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Photos show a Chestnut-sided Warbler singing. |
2024-40 Hooded
Warbler
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
21 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
Recording is spot on for Hooded |
2nd round:
|
31 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
I understand concerns over “audio only” without
visual confirmation, but the spectrogram matches Hooded Warbler perfectly.
The likelihood that a different species of warbler, especially a western
species, would learn Hooded Warbler’s song seems much more unlikely. Also
– there was another Hooded Warbler with both audio and photos two days
later singing at Notch Peak (although we still don’t have a recorded for
that individual), so the timing also makes sense. I think the audio is
sufficient in this case. Continuing to accept. |
Keeli M. |
12 Jul 2024 |
To 2nd |
I'm not catching the pulsing the observer
mentioned in the record, but that could be due to my lack of familiarity
with the calls of HOWA and MAWA. It does match the HOWA calls I listened
to, however, some of the MAWA calls I listened to are similar enough that
I have a hard time accepting this record. Curious what others in the group
make of this. |
2nd round:
|
9 Aug 2024 |
No, ID |
Still can't get past the recordings of MAWA I listened to that sounded
similar enough to make me doubt the ID as HOWO based on two song
recordings alone. |
Bryant
O. |
20 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
As much as I wish there was a photo or visual
description of the bird, I can't find any other warbler song that match
the recorded audio except a Hooded Warbler. I'd be willing to change my
vote if someone else can. |
2nd round:
|
8 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Song is a perfect match for HOWA, nothing really
similar. |
Kris P. |
7 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Only two song sequences is not a lot to evaluate
given that the bird was singing every 20-30 seconds, but the reported
habitat seems right and I appreciate the submitter's experience. I'm
accepting as a best match after listening to lots of reference audio
files. The Magnolia Warbler is possibly the best comparison candidate, but
sweeter, thinner and perhaps higher-pitched, and Fred eliminated this
species. |
2nd round:
|
5 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
I'm comfortable with accepting this record as an
audible only. And as Max mentioned, the sonogram (eBird checklist) is an
excellent match. |
Mike
S. |
18 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Too bad there was no visual, but the nice, clear
recordings of the song establish the ID. The described behavior of staying
"low in trees and underbrush" is consistent with my encounters with this
species. |
2nd round:
|
2 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
I still believe the audio recordings are more
than adequate to establish the ID. Differences from warbler songs of other
species may be relatively subtle, but this is still distinctive upon
comparison. As others have mentioned, Magnolia Warbler is probably the
most likely species to present confusion, but note the "emphatic end" of
the Hooded Warbler song (to quote Sibley). |
Dennis S. |
17 Jun 2024 |
No, ID |
Audio by itself is usually insufficient for
positive ID, especially in a closely related species such as warblers. |
2nd round:
|
29 Jul 2024 |
No, ID |
Still have concerns with an audible only record,
especially with the varitability of warblers. |
Mark S. |
23 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
The recording is of a singing Hooded Warbler;
the strong, slurred and slow introductory notes eliminate similar warbler
songs. |
2nd round:
|
19 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
The song is unmistakably that of a Hooded
Warbler. |
David
W. |
7 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
I'm hesitant to accept based on audible-only ID,
but the songs sure do sound like a Hooded warbler. |
2nd round:
|
8 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Still sounds like a Hooded warbler to me. |
Kevin
W. |
6 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
It's too bad that he didn't see the bird, but
the recorded song is pretty distinctive. |
2nd round:
|
7 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
I still believe the song provided is distinct
enough to conclude that it is a Hooded Warbler and not another species. |
2024-41 Bay-breasted
Warbler
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
28 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
This was a very odd and unexpected sighting, and
too bad it didn't stick around. I wonder if it would have remained singing
on territory if the pair of nuthatches hadn't been bumping it? |
Keeli M. |
21 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Excellent diagnostic photos. Cool find! |
Bryant
O. |
22 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
Photos leave no doubt |
Kris P. |
9 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Very nice record. |
Mike
S. |
18 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Great documentation of a nice male in breeding
plumage! |
Dennis S. |
21 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
No questions |
Mark S. |
23 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
Good photos, description; unmistakable. |
David
W. |
26 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
Who am I to argue with a three-foot camera
lens... [That's just envy creeping in.]
Nice record with good description and photos! |
Kevin
W. |
19 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Photos show distinctive pattern of Bay-breasted Warbler |
2024-42 White-winged
Crossbill
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
28 Jun 2024 |
To 2nd |
The description fits WWCR, but without photos or
being documented by others I am skeptical of this individual's records.
Curious to know what other folks think. |
2nd round:
|
26 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
I agree that it helps to have additional
observers at this location. I also agree that it makes sense for this to
remain a separate record, and appreciate DW's breakdown. Seems to be good
numbers of WWCR in Utah this year (and decent numbers in recent years). |
Keeli M. |
21 Jul 2024 |
To 2nd |
While I think this could be a plausible
observation given the proximity to a location where White-winged Crossbill
have been documented, observer does not adequately discuss how similar
species such as CAFI, HOFI, or PIGR were ruled out and PIGR specifically
are fairly similar enough in appearance to confuse the two. The calls are
different enough that it could be supportive of ID, but I just am having a
hard time with this one, especially given the short reported observation
time (1 min) |
2nd round:
|
29 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Additional observers also raise my confidence
level in this observation. Agree this record should be separate even
though locations are fairly close. |
Bryant
O. |
26 Jun 2024 |
No, ID |
Inadequate description does not address
possibility of RECR with wing bars, which is not uncommon. Songs overlap,
flight calls distinctive, observer seem unfamiliar with this fact. |
2nd round:
|
28 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
I agree this record should be separated from
the Redman Campground record. Since I did observe this species at Silver
Lake on the Brighton Bird Count on 7/13, I can say it is indeed present
there, even if the record itself doesn't meet muster. Hard to vote against
a record of a bird you know is present, even if details are sparce. |
Kris P. |
9 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Good description of call; that one of them was
both heard and seen is a plus. |
2nd round:
|
21 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
David's first paragraph in his second round
comments so perfectly elucidates what I feel about records from this
observer that I can't describe my thoughts any better: "...weary
displeasure...". Yes.
The details in this record are accurate for a White-winged Crossbill and
it's not an outlandish report considering the habitat, elevation, and
well-documented presence by other birders just a half-mile away. |
Mike
S. |
25 Jul 2024 |
No, ID |
Although other recent reports have clearly
documented White-winged Crossbills in nearby areas (such as record #
2024-48), I don't believe the documentation in this particular sight
record is adequate to accept as a standalone record. |
2nd round:
|
22 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
I will change my vote, as I see that there
was a large Tracy Aviary group that identified a WWCR at this same
location on July 13, which bolsters my confidence in the presence of this
species at this location.
As long as we are treating this as a separate record from nearby 2024-48,
I suggest revising the Sightings Summary page to clearly separate the WWCR
observations from this location (Silver Lake) from the Redman CG
observations, rather than listing them all together in one bulleted list. |
Dennis S. |
21 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
None |
2nd round:
|
3 Sep 2024 |
Acc |
The written description still seems valid
enough. |
Mark S. 2nd: |
25 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Without considering the history of the observer,
nothing in this record would suggest grounds for rejection - the
description clearly rules out similar species, and would certainly be
sufficient for acceptance by this committee if submitted by a different
observer. Not that considerations of credibility should be ignored, but in
this case we have a species that's not difficult to identify, is
irruptive, and thus not at all rare in certain years, and we have numerous
reports from other observers that show this to be one of those irruptive
years, when this species is not truly rare.
I see no legitimate reason to reject this record. |
David
W. |
26 Jun 2024 |
Acc |
The description and location check out. |
2nd round:
|
14 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
I won't pretend that I am unfamiliar with the
observer's long-standing, self-inflicted lack of credibility and his
notoriety for changing bird IDs after the fact, and I have heard rumors
that this sighting fell into that well-worn category, but I there is
nothing in this record itself that would allow me to come to any
conclusion other than White-winged crossbill. If others on the Committee
wish to introduce other information as to why this particular record is
suspect, I would welcome it. Until someone does, though, I will with weary
displeasure stick to the record as presented.
Let me address some of the possible alternative species suggested by my
fellow voters:
-- Pine grosbeak: this would be a great possibility were it not for the
bill shape being described as crossed at the tip and the song. This
argument also works for House finch and Cassin's finch (the latter also
being pink like a Pine grosbeak).
-- Red crossbill: This bird was described as rose pink, not orangey-red.
The wings were described as having two white wing bars, not pale hints of
wing bars. The description of the song is a much better match for a
White-winged crossbill than a Red crossbill (though I would have
personally chosen "trill" over "chatter".
-- I agree with Mike that this should be a stand-alone record, but I also
personally believe that there is enough evidence presented in the record
for the ID to be correct as presented. |
Kevin
W. |
19 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
The description seems good. I don't really think
that photos of birds nearby confirm this record, but at least they
indicate that the species is in the area. |
2nd round:
|
6 Dep 2024 |
Acc |
I think that the description fits best for
White-winged Crossbill. |
2024-43 Painted
Bunting
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
8 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Great bird, nice photo documentation |
Keeli M. |
21 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Absolutely amazing find. Glad they got photos. |
Bryant
O. |
1 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Photos show an adult male Painted Bunting
without a doubt |
Kris P. |
14 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
No question on the ID, and I think the bird's
bright red underparts absent of yellow, plus the fine condition of the tip
of the tail, establish that this bird is wild and not a cage escapee. The
belly feathers are pale in only a minor way and given that the photos are
over-exposed, they're probably within the rich color range of a wild bird.
The timing is very odd. I wouldn't expect this species to be on the move
for molt migration and wandering into the mountain west before late July
at the earliest. There are very, very few records in June.
I'm disappointed in this record for a different reason: I'm weary of
records missing information that the observer could fill in easily. |
Mike
S. |
25 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Photos clearly show a male Painted Bunting. I
searched for this bird the following day and had no luck (same thing goes
for at least 3 other birders I ran into at Lava Point). Great find by
Toni! |
Dennis S. |
21 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Good photo |
David
W. |
7 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Clearly a male Painted bunting. The bird doesn't
appear overly worn, so I have no reason to assume it is an escapee. |
Kevin
W. |
19 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Photos show unmistakable Painted Bunting |
2024-44 Rivoli's
Hummingbird
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
8 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Excellent record for northern Utah. Hope that it
comes back so I can visit. |
Keeli M. |
21 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Would have been nice to get photos showing size
comparison with other hummer sp., but the photos are good quality and show
all of the characteristics described in the thorough write-up. Cool find.
|
Bryant
O. |
5 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Great find by Lee |
Kris P. |
14 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Thorough record; excellent photos. Seeing this
bird has been the high point of the summer. Thank you, Bryant. |
Mike
S. |
6 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Great photos and written documentation leave no
doubt! Nice record. |
Dennis S. |
21 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
None |
David
W. |
9 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Jumbo hummingbird with a proportionately longer
bill than a Blue-throated mtn-gem and with dark green central rectrices.
What's not to love? Lauri Taylor took a good photo with a Black-chinned
for comparison that shows the size difference. |
Kevin
W. |
19 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Good photos show, I believe, distinctive
characteristics that would rule out similar (but maybe more unlikely)
Blue-throated Hummingbird - namely the green rump and tail compared to the
gold rump and dark tail of the Blue-throated. |
2024-45 Pyrrhuloxia
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
15 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Kind of torn on this one - seems fairly minimal
detail in this written record but with the traits described, location,
date and behavior I am not really sure what else it could be. Soft accept |
2nd round:
|
26 Aug 2024 |
No, ID |
I was very hesitant to accept in the first
round, thanks to other members for pointing out the lack of any red and
the possibility of a JUTI. Switching my vote. |
Keeli M. |
21 Jul 2024 |
No, ID |
While I think it's a potentially plausible
observation, the observer didn't discuss how they ruled out juvenile
plumage cardinals which could have very similar coloration as the bird
described. There's enough doubt there for me, without any additional
supporting information or photos, I'm having a hard time saying yes. |
2nd round:
|
29 Aug 2024 |
No, ID |
Agree with concerns about ID and didn't consider
similarity to JUTI as well. Don't think there's enough evidence here to
rule out JUTI, NOCA, or PHAI. |
Bryant
O. |
10 Jul 2024 |
No, ID |
I'm concerned no red was observed in the
plumage, even a juvy PYRR should have some red in the crown and wings.
Juniper Titmouse was not considered or ruled out, but the description
seems a spot on match for a JUTI, which always seem bigger than expected. |
2nd round:
|
28 Aug 2024 |
No, ID |
Seems most of us have concerns with this record.
Not seeing Red is a big problem. In addition to JUTI, female PHAI was also
not well eliminated and only 1 field was used to dismiss it. I've had the
experience that sometimes birds will have something large in their mouth
that makes their bill look larger than it is, this could have easily been
the case here with either of these species. Either way, description
inadequate to eliminate all possibilities. |
Kris P. |
17 Jul 2024 |
No, ID |
I don't feel convinced on this ID given how
sparse the description is, the species' tendency not to wander and the
short observation time. I sure would like to have read about red/rufous in
the folded wings or tail given the bright light and binoculars use. Could
this bird have been a Juniper Titmouse? Maybe that's an outlandish
suggestion given the bill detail, but the minimal description doesn't
clinch it for me. I'm very interested in hearing arguments otherwise. |
2nd round:
|
21 Aug 2024 |
No, ID |
Not reporting seeing any red on this bird is a
resounding weakness of this record considering the bird was 30 feet away
in bright light and the observer was using binoculars with excellent
optics. There also should be a sense here of the importance of seeing the
red color on this species so rare for Utah, but there's not, and the
sparse details of the record don't make up for not reporting that critical
but limited red.
One of the records committee suggestions is to report not seeing details
that the observer knows are critical to the bird's ID. Perhaps all
submitters don't know this because they don't read how to submit a report,
but I think it's especially critical on this species that the observer
didn't mention the color or that he even knew a juvenile Pyrrhuloxia
should have some limited red. |
Mike
S. |
1 Aug 2024 |
No, ID |
There are not enough details provided to
establish the ID of an extremely rare species for Utah. |
2nd round:
|
22 Aug 2024 |
No, ID |
I still believe the description comes up short
for such an extremely rare species. The only field mark that may eliminate
PHAI is the "thick bill," which would describe a PYRR, but is not adequate
as a stand-alone feature to rule out a much more common species
(particularly for the reasons mentioned by David).
I also agree with others that no mention of Juniper Titmouse in the
similar species section is concerning. |
Dennis S. |
1 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Key characters noted. maybe more details could
have been included, but what else could it have been? Could certainly have
used a photo - as always!! |
2nd round:
|
3 Sep 2024 |
No, ID |
My initial concerns were certainly echoed by
other committee members, enough so to change my vote. |
Mark S. 2nd: |
25 Aug 2024 |
No, ID |
As most other committee members have noted, and for the same reasons as
stated by others, I don't see enough in this description to eliminate
other species and accept a record of this rarity. |
David
W. |
15 Jul 2024 |
To 2nd |
This is just such a rare bird in Utah and the
description so sparse, that I am left without enough evidence to make a
decisive judgement. The thick bill is a good sign, though I wish the
observer had mentioned the almost spherical shape rather than just the
thickness. Could it have been a Phainopepla choking down a berry?? And why
did no one else see this bird in such a visited place? On the other hand,
30 seconds is a good long look. I am very undecided on this one. |
2nd round:
|
28 Aug 2024 |
No, ID |
The comments of my fellow Committee members have
not assuaged my doubts. I will vote NO because of insufficient evidence
rather than the presence of evidence against the ID. |
Kevin
W. |
6 Jul 2024 |
No, ID |
There were 13+ pyrrholoxias reported on ebird
from Grafton a few weeks ago (https://ebird.org/checklist/S179831174); it
was obvious that these birds were misidentified, as nobody else has
documented an outbreak of these extremely rare birds to Utah. While the
description in this report are a little better, the description describes
the bird as "just like a cardinal but gray and thinner crest" - a gray
cardinal doesn't seem very Pyrrhloxia-like to me. More likely a
Phainopepla, although the reporter indicates that the bill was "way too
thick" to rule out that species. |
2nd round:
|
6 Sep 2024 |
No, ID |
Continue to think that this was some other
species and misidentified. The description just doesn't give enough detail
for me. |
2024-46 Boreal
Owl
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
15 Jul 2024 |
No, ID |
Not sure if there is necessarily enough to
confirm here that they can eliminate Northern Saw-whet Owl? Unrecognizable
weird noises, short view of a flyover bird, and size isn't always a
reliable field mark (seemingly more so with a short view in flashlight).
"White face" - NSWO definitely have some white/lighter colors to their
face. I know this group has been regularly finding and documenting BOOW,
but this is by far the least detailed and confident record. With three
separate observers with different experiences and "deliberation" of a
target species, it seems like it would be pretty easy to talk yourselves
into seeing what you wanted to. Also they saw a NSWO in the immediate
vacinity. . .I would like to hear other committee members thoughts. |
2nd round:
|
26 Aug 2024 |
No, ID |
I still don't believe that NSWO can be
adequately eliminated. As Kris has noted, this record is not nearly the
well-documented sighting that is typical for this group. |
Keeli M. |
21 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
I appreciate the thoroughness of this write-up
and the care and effort put into a thoughtful contemplation of the ID of
this bird, and agree that given the characteristics described, BOOW is the
likely ID of the owl they observed. |
2nd round:
|
18 Sep 2024 |
No, ID |
I still think that the observers' experience
here makes this a very likely observation, but after some contemplation of
this record, agree that due to the lack of supporting documentation, they
haven't adequately eliminated NSWO. I also agree with what Max commented,
that it can be easy to talk yourself into seeing what you want to see.
Changing my vote. |
Bryant
O. |
10 Jul 2024 |
No, ID |
Poor looks at night of a owl flitting about
overhead, size can be extremely hard to accurately judge under these
conditions but seems to be their only field mark to rule out Saw-whet.
Both show a streaked belly and white facial disc(especially in a
flashlight), no definitive calls that aid the ID. Also this is poor
marginal BOOW habitat, in a range they are not known from at a time of
year they don't wander. My families cabin was near here, there are lots of
Saw-whet, lots of Aspen and the few patches of conifers are small,
scattered and discontinuous, and were hit hard by bark-beetles 20 years
ago. There is no proof this was not a Saw-whet, despite their assurances
otherwise. |
2nd round:
|
28 Aug 2024 |
No, ID |
No one has made a compelling case for this
record, and an additional factor here is these observers were "looking"
for this species in their home county, that creates observer bias since we
all want to see what we are looking for. This record really stands out in
habitat, elevation, and known range and needs to be carefully vetted. I
had a recent experience of a NSWO coming in to BOOW calls, and it is VERY
hard to tell these species apart in the field, a photo of the bill color
or hearing the SONG is needed to clinch ID, size is extremely unreliable
for owls at night. |
Kris P. |
1 Aug 2024 |
No, ID |
I'm concerned that a short observation of a
moving bird at night under bright illumination skews perception of size,
distance and colors. Pale features like the facial disk could look even
paler in bright light and numerical size estimates could be wildly wrong.
The sounds the bird made were enough only to grab attention, not to ID the
bird to species, and some of the description is not very distinct from the
saw-whet. I think these observers documented every impression they got. It
was the moving short view that limited what could be gleaned distinctively
different from the saw-whet.
This record also has a couple of strengths that make me feel not
completely firm in my vote: Observing a saw-whet moments apart is one, and
the fact that Jeff is very likely the state's most experienced Boreal
Owler in addition to significant experience with other mountain owl
species is the other. I'm not sure those two things are enough given my
other concerns about the challenge of the sighting itself. |
2nd round:
|
21 Aug 2024 |
No, ID |
No change in opinion; just more words to flesh
out my first-round impressions. Well-documented evidence-based records
have become Jeff's norm on documenting this species. That every sighting
doesn't meet that standard is the frustrating reality of owling or birding
in general. I don't think the details available on this bird eliminate the
saw-whet and measure up to what the committee should accept. |
Mike
S. |
12 Aug 2024 |
No, ID |
I really appreciate the extensive write-up and
overall effort to document this individual. However, I have some concerns
that the field marks provided are not definitive for a Boreal Owl, and I
don't believe a Northern Saw-whet Owl can be eliminated. eBird records
indicate that NSWO would certainly be more common/expected at this
location. Part of the ID is based on size, which I suspect would be
difficult to determine under these conditions (at night with flashlights,
in flight, naked eye, no nearby comparison with another bird, etc.). There
are other subtle field marks that may suggest BOOW, but under these
conditions, I have my doubts that the human eye can positively discern
subtle detail to eliminate a similar species (to be clear, not a criticism
of these particular observers). The experience of some of the observers
does cause me to pause a bit, but for now I do not feel comfortable
accepting this record. |
2nd round:
|
4 Sep 2024 |
No, ID |
The only amendment I'd like to make to my first
round comment is that the observers did apparently observe a NSWO at this
same location (as others have noted). However, the differences noted with
this individual are very subtle, and size is almost never a reliable field
mark unless there is a direct, side-by-side comparison with another bird
or other object.
Some of the observers are very experienced with BOOW and I wouldn't be too
surprised if that is what they saw. However, I don't see the documentation
rising to the level of acceptance, particularly in these difficult viewing
conditions in an area where NSWO is the more likely species. |
Dennis S. |
22 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Very detail and excellent description. |
2nd round:
|
3 Sep 2024 |
Acc |
Along with the excellent report the observers
experience with this species is the contributing factor. |
Mark S. |
19 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Excellent description and analysis by
experienced observers. |
2nd round:
|
25 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
I think that the experience of the observers,
along with the fact that Saw Whet Owl - the only other candidate species -
was seen only moments from this sighting, gives credence to an otherwise
less than ideal observation. I believe the analysis given in the excellent
written description is correctly reasoned, and sufficient for acceptance
of a non-exceptional record. |
David
W. |
18 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
This is a very soft ACCEPT (borderline). Jeff is
definitely the premier Boreal finder (perhaps outside the secretive ranks
of the DNR), but this was not a sighting with Jeff's usual excellent
photos or an audible confirmation. Still, several soft field marks combine
to make the sighting credible, especially considering the experience of
the observer(s). Were it not for the fact that Boreal owls are now
regularly seen in many high elevation areas (mostly by Jeff and his
expedition partners), I would have voted NO. |
2nd round:
|
5 Sep 2024 |
No, ID |
I suppose I should be consistent with my usual
conservative approach to the records. I still believe that Jeff and crew
saw a Boreal owl, but I also agree that the evidence for this sighting is
very marginal. |
Kevin
W. |
19 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
detailed description and comparison between
observers eliminates other likely owls, including Saw-whet. |
2nd round:
|
13 Sep 2024 |
No, ID |
As others point out, the description lacks
enough details to be sure of the identification (even though they may have
truly seen a Boreal Owl). I change my vote. |
2024-47 Orchard
Oriole
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
15 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Nice photo of breeding plumage male. |
Keeli M. |
21 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Write-up leaves something to be desired, but the
photo provides solid ID support. |
Bryant
O. |
10 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Great photo! |
Kris P. |
1 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Much as I dislike "see photo" records, the photo
is excellent and the species is distinctive. |
Mike
S. |
12 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Despite the limited written description, the
clear photo of an adult male makes this an easy ID. |
Dennis S. |
1 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Written descriptive report is not very thorough,
but photo leaves little doubt of Id.(Thank Heaven for it!!) |
Mark S. |
19 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Photo shows an Orchard Oriole. |
David
W. |
10 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Photo shows an orchard oriole. |
Kevin
W. |
7 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Comments: Photo shows an Oriole with distinctive
chestnut color. |
2024-48 White-winged
Crossbill
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
15 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Good documentation by many - cool to see them at
the same location as last year. |
Keeli M. |
21 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Excellent photos showing clear white wing bars
and good write-up discussing how similar species were eliminated. |
Bryant
O. |
14 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Photos and recording leave no doubt. I also saw
1 or 2 WWCR at this location a few days later. FYI, we seem to have a
bumper crop of Engelmann Spruce ripening in the Wasatch and Uintas, so we
see more of these in the coming months |
Kris P. |
5 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Very well-done record offering excellent
evidence and many observers. |
Mike
S. |
12 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Nice photos and documentation by many observers.
|
Dennis S. |
22 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Photo of male leaves no question in ID. |
Mark S. |
19 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Well-documented. |
David
W. |
15 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Heard and seen by many. Odd that they so often
show up in this area and so seldom anywhere else in Utah. |
Kevin
W. |
7 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Photos show distinctive white wing-bars
indicating White-winged Crossbill. |
2024-49 Boreal
Owl
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
15 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Good documentation |
Keeli M. |
21 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Nice photos and solid write-up. |
Bryant
O. |
14 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Photos show BOOW |
Kris P. |
1 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
An outstanding record and an important one that
thoroughly establishes the Boreal Owl as a breeding species in Utah--a
fact never as well-documented in the past as this one is. |
Mike
S. |
12 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Great record with awesome photos! |
Dennis S. |
22 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
No question - great photos. Amazing number(7) of
owls. |
Mark S. |
19 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Excellent photos and documentation. |
David
W. |
15 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Jeff finally managed to get some (amazing)
photos of juveniles to bolster the claim that this species breeds in Utah.
We've known it for years, and DNR has documented it, but this is wonderful
photographic confirmation.
The dark-chocolate color of the breast, pale bills, spots on the outer
ring of the facial disk, and the nonaggressive presence of an adult are
very compelling. |
Kevin
W. |
14 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Excellent photos, including some of a juvenile,
show distinctive Boreal Owl: Dark edge to facial disk, chocolate brown
streaking. |
2024-50 Acorn
Woodpecker
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
31 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Photos show Acorn Woodpeckers. |
Keeli M. |
21 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
|
Bryant
O. |
17 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
Photos do show ACWO. If indeed there were
fledglings, this maybe be the 1st evidence of nesting in Utah? Anyone
know? |
Kris P. |
5 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Given the under-birded nature of this spot, the
possibility of more breeding Acorn Woodpeckers in the area is tantalizing.
|
Mike
S. |
19 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Good documentation of a distinctive species. In
recent years, it appears there have been very few Acorn Woodpecker
observations from this part of the state. |
Dennis S. |
22 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
No problems due to nice adult photo. |
Mark S. |
19 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Good documentation, photos. |
David
W. |
18 Jul 2024 |
Acc |
I'd always assumed the population of this
species, that for many years lived close to US-191 in Devils Canyon
(complete with larder trees), was still somewhere in the area. It is
reassuring to get evidence they are still nearby, though nearly 500 feet
higher in elevation and in a quieter place. |
Kevin
W. |
14 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Photos show distinctive black and white pattern
of Acorn Woodpecker. Supporting documentation about breeding in Utah. |
2024-51 Acorn
Woodpecker
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
20 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Good location and description for Acorn
Woodpecker |
2nd round:
|
26 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Continuing to accept |
Keeli M. |
9 Aug 2024 |
To 2nd |
I know that Acorn WP is a likely species for
this location and that they are a very recognizable species but I would
like more description of how other species were ruled out. Soft accept. |
2nd round:
|
29 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Continuing to accept. |
Bryant
O. |
8 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Known location and great description leave no
doubt |
2nd round:
|
28 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Such a distinctive species that nothing really
is similar, and they hit all the marks in their description. Solid record. |
Kris P. |
13 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
|
2nd round:
|
23 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
No change in opinion. |
Mike
S. |
19 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
While this isn't a particularly thorough sight
record, I believe the description is adequate to establish the ID of an
Acorn Woodpecker. This species is known to occur around this area. |
2nd round:
|
4 Sep 2024 |
Acc |
Again, a distinctive species in a known
location. Continuing to accept. |
Dennis S. |
11 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Known to occurr in this area. |
2nd round:
|
3 Sep 2024 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
19 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Decent written description of a distinctive
species adequately eliminates other possibilities. |
2nd round:
|
25 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Hard to mistake this species. |
David
W. |
8 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Good description of a distinctive woodpecker.
This species is known from this general area. |
2nd round:
|
28 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Nothing to add. |
Kevin
W. |
14 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Good description eliminates similar
possibilities; within area known to have a
population (although a little way from recent reports). |
2nd round:
|
13 Sep 2024 |
Acc |
Continuing to accept |
2024-52 Hepatic
Tanager
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
20 Aug 2024 |
No, ID |
I struggle with the color on this bird, and with
the lighting I am not sure if the bill is truly dark. The posture and
lighting makes me think that is more likely a SUTA. I could be swayed
otherwise by folks who aren't colorblind, but based on what I can see it
seems fine for Summer Tanager. |
2nd round:
|
10 Oct 2024 |
No, ID |
Despite my colorblindness it
appears that a number of other committee members share my concerns about
lighting and structure. Thanks to Kris for the interesting pictures of the
Summer Tanager with some similar coloring to HETA. All these factors along
with timing and habitat issues are leading me to retain my no vote. |
Keeli M. |
9 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Excellent supporting photos. Good discussion of
how other similar species were eliminated. |
2nd round:
|
18 Sep 2024 |
No, ID |
The dusky cheek and back coloration and the stout dark bill still seem to
match HETA better for me, but the head shape with what looks like a slight
crest, the upright posture, the location found, and the potential lighting
issues with the photos do leave me with some doubt. Changing my vote to
err on the side of caution with this one. |
Bryant
O. |
21 Aug 2024 |
To 2nd |
Although the plumage looks good for HETA, the
bill and structure look better for SUTA. Since this will be the 1st
chronological Utah record, I think it needs some discussion. I can't say
I've ever seen a SUTA with this plumage. But it is very unusual to see
HETA out of habitat, which is pine/oak forests |
2nd round:
|
4 Oct
2024 |
No, ID |
Still troubled by the structure
and bill shape, and Kris's comments about lighting and plumage do seem to
be affecting this bird. It could have been a HETA, but that hasn't been
proven. Note, observer is asking for our help IDing this Tanager, and is
not fully confident them self that it was a HETA. |
Kris P. |
13 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
I'm glad Angie found this one in her archives.
The dull red and especially the gray pattern on the lores, auriculars,
back and wings, plus the bright red on the crown and throat clinch this
ID. A young male Summer Tanager should look blotchy bright red against
yellow-green. I wonder how often the Hepatic has been missed in Utah due
to the similarity of the two species and the thought process that Hepatics
"don't" occur here. This record and last year's are certainly long overdue
given how close to Utah the bird occurs in northwest Arizona. |
2nd round:
|
23 Sep 2024 |
No, ID |
I'm changing my vote to Not Accept due to an
unrelated, but dramatic example of a male Summer Tanager's variable
appearance photographed on Sep 21, 2024 by multiple parties within a
couple hours of each other at Provo Canyon - Timpanogos and Canyon View
Parks. Here's a link to three sets of
photos from Macaulay:
It's extremely likely that Edison Hinckley's uniformly bright red bird is
the same individual as reflected in the first two sets of photos, an
individual described as a bright red male, but showing in the two sets
with somewhat similar grayish-reddish characteristics as our review bird.
I think these images demonstrate how differently light can portray a bird
and that photos can lie.
I was less concerned in my first round vote about the bird's somewhat SUTA-like
peaked crown after finding multiple examples of Hepatics with peaked
crowns (or conversely, Summers with Hepatic-like smoothly rounded crowns),
but the shape of the crown has more impact in light of the photos I
referenced, above. And given the bill could show as dark because Summers
can have dark bills or Angie mentioned there could be a shadow, that casts
all the factors indicating Hepatic as suspicious. I'm choosing the
conservative route and believe we don't have enough to go on here to
accept this record as a Hepatic. |
Mike
S. |
4 Sep 2024 |
Acc |
I was initially quite skeptical of this record
and tried talking myself into a Summer Tanager, but the photos do appear
to show diagnostic features of a Hepatic Tanager, which are also described
in the sight record.
My main concern came down to the delayed reporting, which may increase the
possibility that the observer could have mixed up her Grafton photos with
a different location (potentially out of state). However, I emailed the
observer and I think she was able to alleviate those concerns. I'd be
happy to share that message with the group, if requested. |
2nd round:
|
8 Oct 2024 |
No, ID |
When I initially saw this record, I had the same
thoughts about the structure appearing more like a Summer Tanager
(particularly the head and bill shape). I ultimately convinced myself that
it "had to be" a HETA since I couldn't find any examples of a SUTA showing
plumage details (at any age) very similar to this bird.
I think Kris's second round comment is a good reminder of how various
lighting conditions can influence the appearance of a bird. Since all the
photos we have to work here are from the same perch with the same angle,
light, etc., this raises some concern. SUTA is common/expected at this
location and I don't think the photos are definitive to rule out that
possibility. I still think this may be a HETA but I am changing my vote to
err on the side of caution. |
Dennis S. |
11 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
No question from photos. Question about timing.
Was a list kept on this date at Grafton to verify date and location? |
2nd round:
|
15 Sep 2024 |
Acc |
The photos and the delayed timiming of the
report are the two main concerns. But I think the reported observers
e-mail response helped to minimize these concerns. |
Mark S. |
19 Aug 2024 |
No, ID |
I think she had it correct with calling this a
transitioning young male Summer Tanager, then over-thought it.
My first impression from the structure was that this is a Summer Tanager -
large bill, long body, peaked crown. Nothing about the structure of this
bird looks right for Hepatic Tanager.
Yes, the bill is very dark, that should indicate Hepatic Tanager. Except
that western Summer Tanagers frequently have dark bills, and this is well
within the range for western Summer Tanager.
There are patches of dusky coloration, but they don't match for Hepatic
Tanager in either color (too tan/yellowish, not enough dusky gray/dark
red), nor in pattern. The dusky on the head is the entire side of the
head, even extending to the nape, not just the auriculars, and the dusky
on the wings and back is too amorphously distributed in blotchy fashion
across the back, shoulders and wings, and not as restricted as in Hepatic
Tanager.
I'm having a hard time seeing a Hepatic Tanager in these photos. |
2nd round:
|
1 Oct 2024 |
No, ID |
As per my first round comments, and as someone
who sees many, many of both Hepatic and Summer Tanagers in all plumages, I
still have a hard time seeing this as a Hepatic, due mostly to structure
fitting Summer much better with regards to bill shape and size, head
shape, and elongated body. |
David
W. |
8 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Good description and photo. The shape and
coloration of the bird support the the ID. The bird is bright where it
should be and dull where it should be. |
2nd round:
|
8 Oct 2024 |
Acc |
Others have brought up interesting points which
have caused me to reconsider. I have searched the web looking at photos of
both Summer and Hepatic tanagers and I think the pattern of duskiness on
the face, shape of the bill, and color of the bill all suggest a Hepatic.
I realize that Mark lives in Mexico where certain races of Hepatics are
much more common than up here, and he is certainly more of an expert than
am I, but I have to go where the evidence leads me. There are certainly
examples of the cheek patch extending to the nape on some of the photos
found on the web. Also, I think this bird does not resemble the bird
recently seen by folks luckier than me in Utah County, neither in bill
color nor face duskiness.
So thank you to those bringing up good questions, but I will still vote to
accept. |
Kevin
W. |
14 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
gray cheeks and wings, heavier bill point to
Hepatic Tanager. Wish we would have known about this earlier! |
2nd round:
|
20 Sep 2024 |
Acc |
I continue to think this has to be a Hepatic
Tanager; a young/ transitioning Summer tanager should be more red/ yellow
blotchy, not with this much dusky color, especially on the cheeks and
back. |
2024-53 Red-shouldered
Hawk
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
20 Aug 2024 |
No, ID |
Does not adequately eliminate Cooper's Hawk,
much more likely to be breeding in urban SL Valley. |
2nd round:
|
25 Sep 2024 |
No, ID |
Still agree with most that these are likely
Cooper's Hawks |
Keeli M. |
9 Aug 2024 |
No, ID |
Structure is all wrong for a RSHA. No discussion
of how other species were eliminated. Photos look more like an immature
COHA to me. |
2nd round:
|
18 Sep 2024 |
No, ID |
Definitely a mis-IDed COHA. |
Bryant
O. |
21 Aug 2024 |
No, ID |
This is one of those rare records where we have
photos of a misIDed birds. This is a Cooper's Hawk without question. I
hope the eBird reviewer informed them of their error rather than directed
them here, which is what should have happened. |
2nd round:
|
18 Sep 2024 |
No, ID |
No strong argument these are not Cooper's Hawks |
Kris P. |
13 Aug 2024 |
No, ID |
Looks like a family of Cooper's Hawks nested and
fledged in this observer's yard. This must have been great birdwatching to
have them so available. |
2nd round:
|
13 Sep 2024 |
No, ID |
I think these birds are indisputably Cooper's
Hawks. |
Mike
S. |
11 Sep 2024 |
No, ID |
The poor photos appear to show a juvenile
Accipiter. |
2nd round:
|
19 Sep 2024 |
No, ID |
No change of opinion. I agree this is a Cooper's
Hawk. |
Dennis S. |
11 Sep 2024 |
No, ID |
I have a number of concerns. The admission of
lack of birding experience and with other possible similar species (accipiters),
emphasis on sounds of young at nest site, and no attempt at a physical
description of the bird leaves a lot to be desired. The photos add little
or nothing. Also with a observation length (approx.30 days), why were no
other observers brought in to verify this highly unusual and unlikely
nesting record. |
2nd round:
|
15 Sep 2024 |
No, ID |
No additional thoughts - still too many concerns
for acceptance. |
Mark S. |
7 Sep 2024 |
No, ID |
For numerous reasons, from shape, behavior, and
plumage details (tail banding, breast streaking, etc.), this is clearly a
Cooper's Hawk, and not a Red-shouldered Hawk. |
2nd round:
|
1 Oct 2024 |
No, ID |
Cooper's Hawk. |
David
W. |
12 Sep 2024 |
To 2nd |
Apologies for voting so tardily on this record,
but I have gone back and forth on it. First, let me just say I cannot open
the video on any of my computers, so I am somewhat uninformed.
I get very mixed signals on this bird. I like the checkered wing pattern,
but there is precious little red visible on this bird and the tail strikes
me as too long for a Red-shouldered. To make things worse, the streak
pattern on the breast looks a lot like an accipiter. The photos are not
that wonderful, considering they are nearly all we have to go on for this
record. |
2nd round:
|
16 Sep 2024 |
No, ID |
Other people's comments confirm my hunch on this
bird with embarrassing uniformity. I should have voted NO in the first
round but foolishly wondered whether the structure in the photos was just
unfortunate camera angle (especially since I could not open the video). |
Kevin
W. |
14 Aug 2024 |
No, ID |
I couldn’t see videos because of access, but the
shots from the video have streaking all the way down the chest/ belly –
making it look more like a Cooper’s Hawk. The information provided in the
sight record doesn’t eliminate this more likely possibility. |
2nd round:
|
30 Sep 2024 |
No, ID |
Still looks like a Cooper's Hawk |
2024-54 Black-headed
Gull
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
20 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Great photo documentation of an overdue 1st
state record! Too bad it was a one-hit-wonder. |
Keeli M. |
29 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Really interesting sighting. Unfortunate it
didn't seem to stick around. |
Bryant
O. |
21 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Photos leave no doubt. Unfortunately I was
driving through St. George on this day, but didn't hear about until I was
in Vegas so missed it. Too bad it has not been relocated. |
Kris P. |
3 Sep 2024 |
Acc |
Excellent photos. Terrible record. |
Mike
S. |
11 Sep 2024 |
Acc |
Great record with excellent photos. The flight
shot rules out other, even less likely possibilities (such as Brown-headed
and Brown-hooded Gulls). More likely/expected Bonaparte's eliminated by
brownish/less extensive hood, thicker red bill, and underwing
color/pattern.
This bird was seen by several folks on August 10 but was apparently gone
by the time I looked for it on the 11th. |
Dennis S. |
11 Sep 2024 |
Acc |
The photos are amazing and leave little doubt as
to the ID of this bird. This will be an extremely rare bird for this part
of the world. Are there other records for the interior of the western USA?
What's the committee think? |
Mark S. |
7 Sep 2024 |
Acc |
Amazing record; photos show a Black-headed Gull. |
David
W. |
14 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Spectacular photos show all the required field
marks for this remarkable bird. |
Kevin
W. |
6 Sep 2024 |
Acc |
We had several adept birders independently
identify this gull. I have no experience with the species, so it helps to
compare with other dark-headed gulls. It seems that the narrow red bill
and legs, along with the brownish head that shows white neck eliminates
Bonaparte's, Little, Franklin's, and Laughing. The white outer primaries
and dark under primaries also seem to be unique to this species. Very
similar Brown-headed Gull (but maybe less-likely) has distinct white
window in wings and pale eye. |
2024-55 White-winged
Crossbill
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
20 Aug 2024 |
No, ID |
I don't think they eliminated other similar
species like Pine Grosbeak, especially with the "fat" bill descriptor. |
2nd round:
|
25 Sep 2024 |
No, ID |
Still do not believe the observer eliminated
similar or more likely species. |
Keeli M. |
29 Aug 2024 |
No, ID |
While this is a species that seems to be showing
up in that area abundantly, I don't think the observer has done a
sufficient job in ruling out similar species in this record. |
2nd round:
|
18
Sep 2024 |
No, ID |
Continuing to say no due to lack of discussion
of how similar species were ruled out. |
Bryant
O. |
21 Aug 2024 |
No, ID |
Concerned they did not eliminate or even
consider the much more likely Red Crossbill, which can have white wingbars.
The main field ID of Crossbills is their calls, which they seem unfamiliar
with. So I'm not sure why this was not a Red Crossbill. |
2nd round:
|
18
Sep 2024 |
No, ID |
This record makes no attempt to consider Red
Crossbill, so even though I saw and heard WWCR at this location a few
weeks later, I also saw RECR and I'm not sure what species this observer
saw. |
Kris P. |
13
Sep 2024 |
No, ID |
While White-winged Crossbills are entirely
plausible in this area and others reported them here a month later, this
record fails to offer adequate documentation due to:
- Very weak details in most sections that are critical to establishing the
ID, and no defense of the submitter's conclusion or eliminating other
species
- No description of the call despite claiming twice to have heard it, and
so there's nothing to go on
- Playing recordings later of a bird never heard prior to this audience
more likely muddles the memory and can't be solidly defended as an ID
point |
2nd round:
|
23 Sep 2024 |
No, ID |
Same opinion as first round: This ID is not
properly justified. |
Mike
S. |
11
Sep 2024 |
No, ID |
The observer may have seen White-winged
Crossbills, but without discussion on similar species other than "bigger
than a House Finch," I don't believe there is sufficient documentation to
accept. |
2nd round:
|
19
Sep 2024 |
No, ID |
No change of opinion. Similar species have not
been ruled out. |
Dennis S. |
11 Sep 2024 |
Acc |
Borderline acceptance mostly due to an
inadequate description and comparison with RECR. The noted brief
observation of the white in wings was the determining factor. |
2nd round:
|
15
Sep 2024 |
No, ID |
My borderline 1st round vote has changed due to
the clear concerns of the majority of the committee. |
Mark S. |
7 Sep 2024 |
Acc |
This is a soft accept, as the observation was
marginal and the details in the written description scant, even if they
cover the essential field marks. I'm influenced, however, but the
knowledge that this appears to be an irruptive year for them in northern
Utah, with numerous reports, most better than this one. |
2nd round:
|
1 Oct 2024 |
No, ID |
Since my first round vote was very soft, and
based to a significant degree on the numerous other reports, and not on
the evidence presented here, I have no problem changing my vote due to
insufficient evidence for this record. |
David
W. |
14 Aug 2024 |
No, ID |
ID is likely correct, but not enough here to be
sure. The description is just a bit too vague. Either one ought to provide
good photos/audio recordings or provide a complete, detailed description. |
2nd round:
|
16
Sep 2024 |
No, ID |
Nothing to add. |
Kevin
W. |
6 Sep 2024 |
No, ID |
The observer may have seen a White-winged
Crossbill, but sparse details fail to eliminate possibility of Pine
Grosbeak, and she even indicated that the bill was "fat" with the glimpses
she had. |
2nd round:
|
30
Sep 2024 |
No, ID |
Not enough details provided to eliminate other
possibilities. |
2024-56 White-winged
Crossbill
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
20 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Seem to be lots of these around this year. |
2nd round:
|
25
Sep 2024 |
Acc |
Agree with other committee members that there
are definitely WWCR's in the photos |
Keeli M. |
29 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Nice photos, supportive of ID. Definitely seems
to be an irruptive year for this species. |
2nd round:
|
18
Sep 2024 |
Acc |
Agree with Kris that photos and write-up need
clarification and better labeling but still think there is a clear and
positive White-winged Crossbill ID here. |
Bryant
O. |
21 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Great photos |
2nd round:
|
18
Sep 2024 |
Acc |
All photos show WWCR, and I agree with their
assessment of the yellowish Crossbill being an immature male WWCR. There
is absolutely no doubt a WWCR was present. We can argue about the age and
or sex or number of individuals, but WWCR is present. |
Kris P. |
13
Sep 2024 |
To 2nd |
This record is confusing due to lack of photo
labeling and one of the birds isn't a slam-dunk White-winged Crossbill.
I think this party clearly saw two White-winged Crossbills, an adult male
and an immature male. Both are described and defended in the narrative and
(I think) depicted in photos. The adult male appears to be in Photos C and
G and the immature male in A, B, and E. The problem is with the bird
described as shy or a juvenile-type, possibly depicted in Photos D and F.
But that means all three birds are in photos according to me and the
record says that only two of the birds were photographed. Did I get the
photos wrong and all the birds with any red are actually the immature
male?
Without the submitter labeling the photos something like Bird #1, #2 and
#3 and following those designations in the narrative, the record is
confusing and we're left to make assumptions as we've had to do in the
past with multi-bird records. I don't want to make assumptions on what the
submitter intended.
In addition, the juvenile-type bird doesn't offer a lot of ID points to
distinguish between White-winged and juvenile male Red Crossbill. The only
thing to go on here given the bird's posture is the darkness of a portion
of the wing contrasting with the white wingbar, basically a judgement call
(which KC made) on a bird that perhaps wasn't even necessary to include in
this record given there are two other strong candidates nicely justified.
I'm doubtful enough that I'm not willing to choose a stance on this record
without consulting. |
2nd round:
|
24 Sep 2024 |
Acc |
I've exchanged messages with KC and he agreed
that all three birds are depicted in the photos with the immature male in
A, B and E; the adult male in C and G; and the juvenile in D and F,
resolving my concern that the narrative didn't match the photo labeling.
In addition, I think the juvenile's base blackish color of the wing is
contrasty enough with the narrow white wing bars to fall within the range
of a White-winged instead of a Red juvenile, and the combination of photos
and narrative defend his conclusion. |
Mike
S. |
11
Sep 2024 |
Acc |
Nice photos with extensive written
documentation. |
2nd round:
|
9 Oct 2024 |
Acc |
I'm glad Kris's first round concerns have
been resolved (and the clarification from the observer certainly doesn't
hurt). |
Dennis S. |
11
Sep 2024 |
Acc |
Excellent photos and other recent sightings in
the area leave little question. |
2nd round:
|
15
Sep 2024 |
Acc |
No additional thoughts - still accept. |
Mark S. |
7 Sep 2024 |
Acc |
Good documentation, photos. |
2nd round:
|
1 Oct 2024 |
Acc |
Appears we now have consensus. |
David
W. |
29 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Excellent photos show the field marks. Very
detailed writeup, complete with mood-setting, experiential narrative,
helps cinch the ID. |
2nd round:
|
9 Oct 2024 |
Acc |
Nothing to add. |
Kevin
W. |
6 Sep 2024 |
Acc |
Nice to have a record of this species with such
a detailed description plus photos! |
2nd round:
|
30
Sep 2024 |
Acc |
Continue to accept. |
2024-57 Boreal Owl
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
20 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Good documentation. |
Keeli M. |
18 Sep 2024 |
Acc |
Photos and audio consistent with immature BOOW. |
Bryant
O. |
21 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Photo evidence |
Kris P. |
13 Sep 2024 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
13 Sep 2024 |
Acc |
Great documentation including audio and amazing
photos of an adult and juveniles. |
Dennis S. |
1 Sep 2024 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
7 Sep 2024 |
Acc |
Excellent documentation and photos |
David
W. |
29 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Another amazing set of photos from the Boreal
dream team. |
Kevin
W. |
13 Sep 2024 |
Acc |
Excellent photos, including those of a juvenile
Boreal Owl. |
2024-58 Boreal Owl
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
20 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Good documentation. |
Keeli M. |
18 Sep 2024 |
Acc |
Photos consistent with immature BOOW. Pale bill,
spotting coming in on back and spotty streaks on front. |
Bryant
O. |
21 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Photo evidence |
Kris P. |
13 Sep 2024 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
13 Sep 2024 |
Acc |
Yet another excellent Boreal Owl record. Great
photos of these juveniles. I think we can say with confidence that this
species is expected at this location. |
Dennis S. |
1 Sep 2024 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
8 Sep 2024 |
Acc |
Excellent documentation and photos, again. |
David
W. |
29 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Another amazing set of photos from the Boreal
dream team. |
Kevin
W. |
13 Sep 2024 |
Acc |
More great photos |
2024-59 Boreal Owl
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
20 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Good documentation. |
Keeli M. |
18 Sep 2024 |
Acc |
Photos show adult and juvenile BOOWs. Good
write-up. |
Bryant
O. |
21 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Photo evidence |
Kris P. |
13 Sep 2024 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
13 Sep 2024 |
Acc |
Again, amazing documentation of an adult and
juvenile Boreal Owls. |
Dennis S. |
1 Sep 2024 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
8 Sep 2024 |
Acc |
Excellent documentation and photos. |
David
W. |
1 Sep 2024 |
Acc |
Just another excellent Boreal owl record in a
new spot by Jeff and crew. What a few years ago was an almost mythical
species has become pretty much expected from these guys. |
Kevin
W. |
20 Sep 2024 |
Acc |
Good photos of Boreal Owls |
2024-60 Boreal Owl
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
25 Sep 2024 |
Acc |
Good description eliminates similar species, and
decent audio recording. |
Keeli M. |
18 Sep 2024 |
Acc |
Audio is consistent with previously submitted
records of begging calls. Description eliminates similar species. |
Bryant
O. |
21 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Description (especially of pale bill) is spot
on. We should probably stop reviewing this species in the Uintas, but
still need to for the rest of the state. How do we deal with this? There
are several other species that need a regional exception as well. |
Kris P. |
13 Sep 2024 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
23 Sep 2024 |
Acc |
Nice documentation including good audio of the
juvenile(s). |
Dennis S. |
1 Sep 2024 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
8 Sep 2024 |
Acc |
Good documentation. |
David
W. |
29 Aug 2024 |
Acc |
Good writeup and recording. |
Kevin
W. |
20 Sep 2024 |
Acc |
Good description eliminates similar species,
including Northern Saw-whet Owl. I'm not experienced enough to distinguish
the recording of the juvenile begging calls provided from others, but I
think the other details are enough to go on. |
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