2023-36 Rivioli's
Hummingbird
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
29 Jul 2023 |
No, ID |
I believe too much of this report is based on
perceived size. Field judging size is a very unreliable field mark and one
of the more popular causes for mis-ID. |
2nd round:
|
25 Sep 2023 |
No, ID |
Still no. Seems as though others have expressed
similar concerns. |
Max M. |
9 Aug 2023 |
No, ID |
Observer seems to be relying on size rather than
field marks to eliminate other species. Looks fine for a female
Black-chinned. |
2nd round:
|
27 Sep 2023 |
No, ID |
Female Black-chinned.. |
Keeli M.. |
21 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
The bird seems really pale underneath for a RIHU,
but based on description, assuming the size perception was accurate, not
sure what else it could be. |
2nd round:
|
10 Sep 2023 |
No, ID |
Embarrassed to say I should have listened to my
gut on this one when I thought it looked too pale, and that size is always
hard to judge and deceptive. Changing my vote. Agree with others' comments
that this is likely a BCHU |
Bryant
O. |
30 Jul 2023 |
No, ID |
Photos show a pretty standard Black-chinned
Hummingbird female. Size is a very deceptive field mark with no frame of
reference and the only one offered. Female/immature Rivoli's have a scaled
gray and green torso and spotted throat and are never this clean and pale
below. |
2nd round:
|
30 Aug 2023 |
No, ID |
Continue to think this is a Black-chinned |
Kris P. |
13 Aug 2023 |
No, ID |
I believe this bird is a Black-chinned
Hummingbird. Several Rivoli's features were neither mentioned in the
narrative nor depicted in the photos. Size is so deceptive with the long
proportions of a female Black-chinned, and the observer didn't mention if
she was able to compare the size of the subject bird to any other
hummingbird present. I have jokingly referred to some female Black-chins
that come to my home feeders as "magnificent" hummingbirds because they
look so large, but they're still Black-chins. |
2nd round:
|
31 Aug 2023 |
No, ID |
No change in opinion for reasons mentioned
multiple times in the first round comments. |
Mike
S. |
31 Jul 2023 |
No, ID |
Photos appear to show a Black-chinned
Hummingbird. Much of the ID is based on the size, but there is no
indication that there were other hummingbirds nearby for comparison. |
2nd round:
|
31 Aug 2023 |
No, ID |
Continuing to agree with others that this is a
Black-chinned Hummingbird. |
Mark S. |
1 Aug 2023 |
No, ID |
I think we can add this to the long list of
female Black-chinned Hummingbirds misidentified as Rivoli's/Magnificent in
Utah.
There is no point of reference for judging size other than the observer's
impression, that is hard to trust. It's claimed to be much larger than
Black-chinned, but apparently none were present for direct comparison.
The bill length, in proportion to the head/body of the bird, is exactly
the same for Black-chinned and Rivoli's. The same for the post-ocular
spot. And the wings on this bird are clearly shorter than the tail, as
they should be for Black-chinned, and not for Rivoli's, where the wingtips
should reach the end of the tail. The white spots on the tail look small
to me for Rivoli's, and the breast not dusky enough gray - most Rivoli's
females I've seen have a darker gray breast.
This looks like a standard Black-chinned Hummingbird in female-type
plumage. |
2nd round:
|
29 Aug 2023 |
No, ID |
As per my first round comments - this is a
female Black-chinned Hummingbird. |
David
W. |
3 Aug 2023 |
No, ID |
To my eyes, this bird is not scaly enough on the
breast and the tail feathers are too sharp. Lots of hummingbirds have post
ocular spots. And no mention of another hummingbird being present for size
comparison (we all know how deceptive size can be in the absence of
something to compare with). |
2nd round:
|
29 Aug 2023 |
No, ID |
Nothing to add. |
Kevin
W.
2nd: |
12 Sep 2023 |
No, ID |
Agree with others comments that this is
Black-chinned Hummingbird. |
2023-37 Curve-billed
Thrasher
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
9 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Good documentation over the last couple weeks
with photos and audio. Great record - wish I had time to get out and see
it. |
Keeli M.. |
20 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Also got to see this bird myself. Good
supporting photos for this record. Interesting that it's been sticking
around. |
Bryant
O. |
6 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent photos and recordings and OK write up.
Bill too decurved to be Bendire's and orangey eye color vs yellow also
favor CBTH. But the laser beam calls leave absolutely no doubt |
Kris P. |
10 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
This is such a thoroughly-documented record of a
very rare and easily-confused species. Excellent narrative descriptions,
photos, audio, and reports by multiple observers, the first of which is
experienced with Toxostoma sp. I like this record. |
Mike
S. |
16 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent documentation with great photos and
audio, observed by many. |
Mark S. |
2 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Good documentation; photos clearly show a
Curve-billed Thrasher of the expected western subspecies. |
David
W. |
2 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Great photos and writeup. |
Kevin
W. |
14 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
I think the report has good documentation,
including photos, and eliminates the other possibilities. Good bird! |
2023-38 Worm-eating
Warbler
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
9 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Description of field marks and behavior good for
Worm-eating. Would be great to have supporting photos. Not sure what else
this could be. |
Keeli M.. |
20 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Good supportive description. I believe the
observer adequately ruled out other species, even without supporting
photos. |
Bryant
O. |
6 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Very well written record eliminates all other
similar species, but as observer note there really aren't any. Description
checks all the boxes. |
Kris P. |
14 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
A perfect written record, and combined with the
distinctiveness of the species, make physical evidence superfluous. |
Mike
S. |
16 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Nice written description establishes the ID of
this a very rare species for Utah. The experience of the observer is
helpful. |
Mark S. |
4 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent description from a careful and
detailed observation by an experienced observer. |
David
W. |
2 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent description of both physical and
behavioral field marks. |
Kevin
W. |
14 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
I think the description of the striped head and
orange-buff color, and especially the behavior of searching for insects in
the bark and under the leaves indicate this to be a Worm-eating Warbler. |
2023-39 Zone-tailed
Hawk
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
5 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
The amount of viewing time with the written
description makes me believe they did observe a ZTHA. |
Max M. |
9 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Good description eliminating TUVU and expected
in this area. |
Keeli M.. |
20 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent details in record and good description
of how TUVU were ruled out. |
Bryant
O. |
9 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Well written record. I believe one has been seen
there a few times this year, some with photos. Known location and annual
there, but sadly I didn't see one there last week. |
Kris P. |
17 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
An excellent record in regard to the detailed
observations, but not eliminating the dark-phase Buteos other than a brief
treatment of a generic Red-tailed Hawk is an oversight, I think. Why make
the records committee suss this out when you could have stated it and
defended your ID more strongly? Tacit is not as good as stated. If you
don't have a photo, 1,000 words is a worthy alternative. |
Mike
S. |
17 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Although I have some concerns about the nearby
Turkey Vultures having "nearly twice the wingspan," I believe the
description is otherwise adequate for a Zone-tailed Hawk. This is a known
location for this species. |
Mark S. |
9 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent description eliminates similar
species. |
David
W. |
9 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
A very-well written description, hitting all of
the important field marks. Lack of photo almost makes me nostalgic for the
old days. |
Kevin
W. |
5 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
The description seems good, and the observer has
experience with the species. I hadn't realized that ZT Hawks had such a
large wingspan compared to Turkey Vultures before the details in this
record. |
2023-40 Yellow-bellied
Sapsucker
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
5 Sep 2023 |
No, ID |
The new normal. Inexperienced birders walking
around with their phones held overhead, Merlin audio app open, and
reporting every species that the app tells them they heard. I ve used the
Merlin Audio App to check accuracy and I ve found that it has problems
with similar calls, similar songs, and anything that is not clear. Type 5
Red Crossbill with Cassia Crossbill, Indigo with Lazuli Bunting, and Blue
with Black-headed Grosbeak are just a few examples of the shortcomings
with Merlin Audio. Many of the reported YBSA end up being a hybrid and
without more details than Merlin said , I don t believe this record
stands. |
Max M. |
20 Aug 2023 |
No, ID |
Not sure the audio is even a sapsucker? Can
barely hear squeal noise, maybe a mammal? I can't tell the difference
between YBSA and RNSA mew calls, I haven't heard of anyone being able to
tell the difference between the two. Time of year supports RNSA, not
migrant YBSA. |
Keeli M.. |
20 Aug 2023 |
No, ID |
Audio record isn't clear enough to me to rule
out similar species. |
Bryant
O. |
9 Aug 2023 |
No, ID |
There is no evidence or reason provided this is
not a Red-napped Sapsucker. I hear foot steps, a junco and what sounds
like a dog squeaky toy in the distant back ground which I presume is the
sapsucker? Red-napped and Yellow-bellied are essentially identical audibly
(and Red-breasted too), and it would be very odd for a Yellow-bellied to
be here in summer in perfect Red-napped habitat (Aspen present). Sadly I
think this is another example of a Merlin Sound ID problem with beginners
having way too much confidence in Merlin, which has an eastern bias to
begin with and often suggest out of range eastern birds here simply
because there are more easterners uploading more recordings because
there's more birders and people in the east, but I digress, I hate Merlin,
or really how people use it. Additionally, hybrid not even considered.
This is something the eBird reviewer should have just taken care of and
sent them the standard Merlin error email. At least the observer is
upfront with there lack of experience and would have probably been open to
the correction. |
Kris P. |
17 Aug 2023 |
No, ID |
I don't believe the S. varius complex is
distinguishable by voice, meaning an audible call offers six possibilities
of species and hybrids. The audio recording is almost, or maybe totally,
irrelevant. The July timing is also highly unlikely for any species other
the Red-naped Sapsucker.
That being said, were I a bird identification instructor, I would want my
students to be as motivated as this observer. He's interested and tried
very hard, even if the conclusion is extremely unlikely. |
Mike
S. |
31 Aug 2023 |
No, ID |
I don't believe the ID of Yellow-bellied
Sapsucker can be established based on this relatively faint/brief
recording. The timing of late-July would be unprecedented for Utah and
pretty much anywhere west of the Rockies. |
Mark S. |
9 Aug 2023 |
No, ID |
The faint calls I could hear on the recording
are indistinguishable from Red-naped Sapsucker to my ear. I don't think
these two similar species are adequately separated in this record, and
certainly not to the level of evidence required for such an unusual
record.
The time of year would seem to make this species even less likely. |
David
W. |
22 Aug 2023 |
No, ID |
I must admit, I almost felt pranked when I first
read this record. It took me several times through the recording to even
hear the call upon which the record is based (headphones would have
helped). Furthermore, I didn't even know you could differentiate the calls
of these two species, in the first place, so kudos for trying. When I look
at spectrograms of the corresponding whiny calls on eBird, I don't see any
difference in pitch (in kHz) between the two species. I would suggest that
this recording falls within the range of the more affable (less harsh)
Red-naped sapsuckers. |
Kevin
W. |
5 Sep 2023 |
No, ID |
I'm not sure that Red-naped Sapsuckers can be
distinguished from Yellow-bellied from sound, and this observer's lack of
experience with Yellow-bellied makes me question even further. |
2023-41 Long-tailed
Jaeger
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
20 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Nice photos of a Jaeger! This bird has
characteristics that make me think subadult. I think the photos support
the ID. Would have liked a little better description of how the other two
species were ruled out since size is relative especially when you don't
have all three species side by side to compare. (3 Sep 2023 - Great
photos! |
Max M. |
20 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Good documentation over the last week or so. |
Keeli M.. |
20 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Nice photos of a Jaeger! This bird has
characteristics that make me think subadult. I think the photos support
the ID. Would have liked a little better description of how the other two
species were ruled out since size is relative especially when you don't
have all three species side by side to compare. |
Bryant
O. |
12 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Photos leave no doubt. Fairly well written
description by original observer on eBird |
Kris P. |
25 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
A nicely-documented bird between Nathaniel's
very thorough written account and James' images. The barred under-wing
coverts and spotty belly seem atypical. I wonder why this bird isn't
solidly gray there given the otherwise adult alternate plumage. This has
to be retained immature plumage given that adult basic doesn't occur until
the wintering grounds and is also solidly gray, at least on the under-wing
coverts. Hmm. |
Mike
S. |
7 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Good photos by James Loveless show plumage and
structural details that rule out similar species. Nathaniel Nye's sight
record (2023-41a) also contains good written details that corroborate the
ID. Nice record. |
Mark S. |
13 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Written description is non-existent, but the
photos are unequivocal, and clearly show Long-tailed Jaeger. |
David
W. |
22 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
James's lovely photos combined with Nathaniel's
detailed writeup are convincing. |
Kevin
W. |
5 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Crazy, but well documented with photos. Oddly,
one record submitted contained no details except the photo - but I guess
that's good enough as they're definitive. |
2023-42 Zone-tailed
Hawk
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
5 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
I doubt I m alone in wishing all records had
quality photos. |
Max M. |
20 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Nice photo documentation. |
Keeli M.. |
20 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Good supporting photos. Would have liked some
discussion of how similar species (such as COBH) were ruled out, but
photos support positive ID. |
Bryant
O. |
12 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Likely same bird and location as 2023-39 (Lava point is on the Kolob
Terrace) |
Kris P. |
17 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
17 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Good photos establish the ID despite the limited
written description. While this is a known location for this species, I do
wish the observer included a slightly more specific location since the
Kolob Terrace Road is roughly 25 miles long. |
Mark S. |
13 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Another record with no real written description,
but again, the photos are unmistakable, and show Zone-tailed Hawk. Tail
banding and wing shape eliminate Common Black-Hawk, the only reasonably
similar species. |
David
W. |
22 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Photos show a Zone-tailed hawk. |
Kevin
W. |
5 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
A record with few details but diagnostic photos
showing the field marks well for Zone-tailed Hawk. |
2023-43 White
Ibis
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
5 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Looks good. |
Max M. |
23 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Photos and description look good for a Juvi
White Ibis. |
Keeli M.. |
21 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Looks like hatch year WHIB plumage. |
Bryant
O. |
21 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Photos and description consistant with juvenile white Ibis |
Kris P. |
27 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
7 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Nice written documentation and diagnostic photos
(photo series 1) establish the ID of a juvenile White Ibis. Great record! |
Mark S. |
21 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Good documentation; photos unmistakably show an
immature White Ibis. |
David
W. |
22 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Convincing description and photos. |
Kevin
W. |
5 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Good documentation of a hard-to-find bird. The
photos, although distant, are diagnostic for a distinctively marked bird. |
2023-44 Scarlet
Tanager
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
5 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Beautiful photos, leaves no doubt. Wish the bird
had stuck around! |
Keeli M.. |
10 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Glad there's good photos. Wow this bird is neon
red. |
Bryant
O. |
24 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Great photos leave no doubt. Some who tried to
re-find this bird expressed doubt it was actually seen and photographed in
Utah, however it is in a Siberian Elm and a White Poplar, both of which
are common trees along the Jordan River and uncommon in its usual range,
so no reason to doubt the authenticity of this sighting. |
Kris P. |
27 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
7 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
As someone who has grown accustomed to "Scarlet
Tanager" reports in Utah with only vague descriptions that easily could be
describing a SUTA (or something else), it is a pleasant surprise to see a
SCTA record with definitive photos! (I am sure I am not alone in that
sentiment.) |
Mark S. |
24 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
No doubts on this one. |
David
W. |
24 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Wow. Great photos of stunning male leave no
doubt. Nice record of a species we don't see very often in our state. |
Kevin
W. |
5 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Photos show stunning male Scarlet Tanager. |
2023-45 Elf
Owl
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
5 Sep 2023 |
No, ID |
I believe this is a juvenile Long-eared Owl.
Here is a link to a
recording I made of multiple LEOW s as they were calling out for
foods- (see link above) |
2nd round:
|
25 Sep 2023 |
No, ID |
I still feel this is a juvenile LEOW. |
Max M. |
5 Sep 2023 |
To 2nd |
In the recording I hear a WESO, and a "call"
that I cannot find any similar calls to for Elf Owl in Macaulay Library. I
defer to those on the committee who may have more experience with Elf Owl
calls than I do or can provide additional resources or recordings, but
with what I can find I do not feel confident in approving this record at
this time. |
2nd round:
|
27 Sep 2023 |
No, ID |
Looks like others also spent a bunch of time
listening to Elf Owl recordings and couldn't come up with a match.
Continuing to reject. |
Keeli M.. |
10 Sep 2023 |
No, ID |
I wish there were better quality records without
all the background noise. The calls that are pointed out don't sound sharp
or squeaky toy enough to me to be Elf Owls. |
2nd round:
|
26 Sep 2023 |
No, ID |
No change of opionion. Listened to the LEOW
calls and agree the calls most closely fit a juvenile LEOW. |
Bryant
O. |
27 Aug 2023 |
To 2nd |
I spent an hour listening to owl calls on
Macaulay Library trying to find a match for this recording and couldn't.
It seems to be a juvenile and often responding to WESO in recordings, so
could be a WESO which are common there, but I couldn't find a WESO call
that matches. Doesn't sound like a ELOW to me which are more tiny, but
honestly don't know what it is. Anyone else find a match? |
2nd round:
|
26 Sep 2023 |
No, ID |
Agree call doesn't match ELOW and could be LEOW |
Kris P. |
5 Sep 2023 |
No, ID |
None of the recordings match any Elf Owl
sonogram in the Macaulay Library of Natural Sounds or Xeno-Canto, and I
disagree with the listener's characterization of the call he recorded as "Peeu". |
2nd round:
|
15 Sep 2023 |
No, ID |
No change of opinion, and thanks to Mike H. and
Mark for suggesting the most likely species. The submission form contains
the Similar Species section to aid observers in avoiding the hoof
prints-zebra trap. But not offering any information in that field is
tantamount to jumping right into the trap. |
Mike
S. |
13 Sep 2023 |
No, ID |
I might be missing something, but I'm not
hearing anything in these recordings that closely resembles a diagnostic
Elf Owl call. The observer notes that he recorded the "peeu" call (also
described as the "station call" in this xeno-canto recording, link below).
I'm just not hearing something similar in this record, nor am I seeing a
great sonogram match...
https://xeno-canto.org/145027 |
2nd round:
|
27 Sep 2023 |
No, ID |
No change of opinion...
I am not confident in the ID, but I agree that a juvenile LEOW seems like
a closer match. |
Mark S. |
27 Aug 2023 |
No, ID |
I believe that the recordings match juvenile
calls of Long-eared Owl more than any call of Elf Owl. This is confirmed
by examination of the sonograms of both Elf Owl and Long-eared Owl. The "peeu"
call of Elf Owl sounds slightly different, sharper, shorter, and with a
more pronounced downward finish than is seen in the recordings in this
record. A juvenile Long-eared Owl call has precisely the same sonogram
form as these calls, and if heard at a distance, match well what is heard
in these recordings.
Given that Long-eared Owl is a known and common breeder in this location,
I believe that is likely what we're hearing in this record. |
2nd round:
|
15 Sep 2023 |
No, ID |
Still sounds like a juvenile Long-eared Owl to
me, and certainly not an Elf Owl. |
David
W. |
27 Aug 2023 |
No, ID |
I spent a lot of time clicking on calls on the
Xeno-Canto website trying to find any call even remotely resembling these
recordings. No luck. Also looked at the top recordings on eBird and found
nothing. I even checked my "Voices of New World Owls" CD but nothing on
there sounded close. Most examples of the Elf owl calls I managed to find
were much more punctuated, less whining. The one whiny one I did find was
inflected downward at the end, unlike these.
The calls attached to this record sound pretty generic and I'm not even
sure they are of a bird. I'm willing to be convinced otherwise if provided
some reference recordings that better match these, but until then I will
vote NAY. Perhaps Von Welch might provide us with his reference recording
("Owl voices of north america disc 2 track 43") so that we might better
evaluate his record. [By the way, "Owl voices of north america" comes up
with no hits on my Google search, so I could not try checking it that
way.] I'd love for this record to be accepted, but I'll need more
resources to vote in the affirmative. |
2nd round:
|
14 Sep 2023 |
No, ID |
Nothing to add in the absence of additional
reference info. |
Kevin
W. |
5 Sep 2023 |
No, ID |
The recordings provided as evidence don't hold
much that I can hear. I can make out an owl call at 0:42 of the first
recording (indicated that it is the "best one"), but I hear a short
screech followed by a distant popping-trill that sounds more like a
Western Screech-Owl to me. |
2nd round:
|
2 Oct 2023 |
No, ID |
Agree with others that the call sounds more like
Long-eared Owl. Doesn't match Elf Owl. |
2023-46 Painted
Bunting
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
5 Sep 2023 |
To 2nd |
Provenance? |
2nd round:
|
12 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Bird is clearly identified correctly. Since no
one else seems to be concerned with provenance (not saying they should
be), I will vote to accept. |
Max M. |
5 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Nice record and supporting photos |
2nd round:
|
27 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Agree with Kris - Mark and David covered
provenance well, continuing to accept. Great record. |
Keeli M.. |
10 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Cool bird to catch at Rio Mesa. Appreciate the
thorough discussion of ID. Bird definitely looked stressed, so glad they
released it prior to banding. |
2nd round:
|
26 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Agree that natural occurrence is much more
likely given the remote location of the banding station and the date
captured and age of the bird. Very cool capture and great write-up. |
Bryant
O. |
30 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent documentation |
2nd round:
|
26 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Timing, age and location unlikely for an
escapee. |
Kris P. |
9 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Fascinating record, replete with interesting
details. I'm glad the banders chose to release the bird without processing
it given the extensive lack of feather cohesion and the signs of the
bird's stress. |
2nd round:
|
14 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
I think Mark and David addressed the issue of
provenance nicely, citing location, date, age and feather color. In
addition, I think a bird confined to a cage would show a wear pattern on
the tip of its tail that this bird doesn't show. The longest two retrices
on the left side of the tail are intact at the tip and barely frayed, and
a couple outer retrices on the right side show only minimal wear. It seems
to me that especially the longest feathers would be beat up on a formerly
caged bird. Caroline also mentioned the bird's "bitey" behavior multiple
times. While we have no way of knowing this, I can rationalize that a wild
bird might put up a greater defense than one that's used to being around
humans. |
Mike
S. |
31 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Great written documentation supplements the
diagnostic photos. |
2nd round:
|
27 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
I agree with others that the probability is in
favor of this being a wild bird. |
Mark S. |
13 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent documentation (couldn't hardly be
better).
The identification not being in question, the only doubt is natural
occurrence. But given the location, date, and age of the bird, an escaped
captive would be extremely unlikely. |
2nd round:
|
15 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
For the reasons I stated in the first round, I
think natural occurrence is much more likely than an escapee. |
David
W. |
5 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
One of the best-documented records I have ever
had the pleasure to vote on.
I think the possibility of an escaped cage bird is reduced by its age and
lack of brilliant coloration. |
2nd round:
|
14 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
I agree with Mark that this is unlikely to be an
escaped captive. |
Kevin
W. |
5 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
The greenish back and tail eliminates the other
more likely buntings for me. |
2nd round:
|
2 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
ID doesn't seem to be in question, and it seems
more likely that this was a wild bird given condition and location. |
2023-47 Long-tailed
Jaeger
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. 2nd: |
12 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Photos don t help a ton, but vote is based off
of description of details provided. |
Max M. |
5 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Good write up - photos, while poor support the
sighting. |
2nd round:
|
23 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
While I can see Kris's concern with the distance
of the bird and how that can make ID challenging, especially with juvenile
jaegers, I think there is a lot that can be done by an observer to address
those concerns, and I feel that Bryant has done that with this record. I
have been on a number of pelagics and have seen spotters and guides
identify juvenile jaegers on a bouncy boat with binoculars at distances
that I would not be comfortable doing so (later confirming their IDs as
the birds get closer to the boat). Lots of that is due to experience, of
course, but if you can adequately observe and document flight styles and
behaviors, along with visible field marks I think an experienced enough
observer can make the proper ID calls. I also agree with Mark, while the
photos could be better, I think they support the structure, plumage and
relative size compared to nearby species to eliminate Pomarine and
Parasitic Jaeger. |
Keeli M.. |
26 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Great spot at that distance away. Thank you for
the excellent write-up. |
2nd round:
|
17 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Appreciate the added discussion and still
believe the details in the description support ID. |
Bryant
O. |
5 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
|
2nd round:
|
12 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Although I appreciated Kris's healthy
skepticism, the premise of that skepticism, that juvenile Jaegers can't be
ID at a distance, is not true. With field experience we learn what to look
for when confronted with a difficult ID, and even at a distance can clue
into the field marks necessary to make the ID. I was at this same location
today and scoping gulls along the same shore line at the same distance
this Jaeger was. I could tell not only what species of gull, but also what
age each individual was (adult and 2nd cycle CAGU, adult RBGU, adult and
1st cycle HERG, adult LBBG) because I have observed all in the field and
know what to look for. To many gulls are a complete mystery and they don't
know what to look for and they are all "Seagulls", but subtle differences
in mantle shade, color of legs, size, tertial crescent prominence, bill
color, structure etc. can be used to ID them once you know what to look
for. Jaegers are no different, with experience you learn what to look for.
Many encounters with Jaeger at sea or on sea watches are distant flying
birds, yet keen observers know what to look for. Honestly I find it easier
to ID Jaegers in the field than from photos because they all have such
distinctive flight style and behavior, akin to IDing falcons in flight. In
this case I had a very cooperative bird that allowed a very long look in
excellent light, unlike most looks at Jaegers which give quick fly through
looks often at a distance. Important field marks: The undertail coverts,
the amount of white on the upperside of the wings, the primary projection,
the size of the bill, and overall color tone could all be seen even at
this distance. Add to that the behavior and flight style. Some of these
field marks, such as the bill size, primary projection and overall color
tone can be seen in the photos, which add some evidence to verify the
field evaluation of this Jaeger. Difficult-yes, but impossible? No. |
Kris P. |
15 Sep 2023 |
No, ID |
Accepting this record is beyond my comfort level
considering the inherent difficulty of juvenile jaeger ID and the distance
to the bird. I'm thinking in terms of what belongs in the data base given
that one of the committee's purposes is to "Establish standards of
observation and reporting in order to improve our knowledge of Utah
birds." I think ID'ing juvenile jaegers at 300-500 meters is a Pandora's
Box of sorts that we shouldn't open. I hope my conclusion doesn't detract
from the effort Bryant made to observe and photograph the bird. I think it
was yeoman's work, just work that wasn't rewarded with definitive enough
details to secure the ID in the state's record. |
2nd round:
|
8 Nov 2023 |
No, ID |
I understand this record will be accepted
regardless of how I vote, however, I don't feel swayed enough to change
mine to accept. This is specifically because the observed details don't
eliminate a Parasitic Jaeger conclusively enough for me, and the photos
don't relay enough information to be helpful. I especially appreciate all
the second round statements of conviction as to why each committee member
accepts this record; thank you for explaining more thoroughly and again.
|
Mike
S. |
27 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
While it's difficult to discern much detail in
these photos, the written documentation is excellent and establishes the
ID of a Long-tailed Jaeger. I believe similar species have been adequately
eliminated. |
2nd round:
|
25 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
I understand the cautious approach given the
observation distance. However, the written documentation rules out similar
species, and the photos are consistent with that description.
[There is probably an interesting/useful discussion to be had about the
reliability of fairly subtle field marks that are noted during long
distance situations. However, I believe that this reliability improves
with observer experience, likely along with other factors that are
difficult to measure (lighting conditions, quality of optics, etc.)] |
Mark S. |
5 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent description; structure, bill size
visible in the photos supports the i.d. |
2nd round:
|
14 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
While I understand Kris's concerns about
long-distance immature jaeger identifications, you can see a lot with a
good scope, as Bryant's excellent description shows. Beyond that, I can
see enough in terms of the structure, bill size and shape, and size
relative to the other birds in the photos to eliminate the other species
of jaegers.
Yes, general caution is warranted, but isn't necessary in this case. |
David
W. |
3 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Convincing writeup. Good job eliminating other
jaegers. |
2nd round:
|
26 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
I have a lot of sympathy with Kris' concerns but
still think Bryant is correct in his ID. |
Kevin
W. |
5 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Photos aren't the best, but with the excellent
effort put into the description, it seems sufficient to accept. |
2nd round:
|
18 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
I concur that the details provided in the
description is enough for me to accept. |
2023-48 Tennessee
Warbler
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
27 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Well written record and documentation from one
of our own. Good fall bird! |
Keeli M.. |
26 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Photos showing the face including the dark eye
line and pale supercilium, lower belly, and white under tail feathers and
observer's description support ID to me. |
Bryant
O. |
6 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Classic fall TEWA, good description and pics |
Kris P. |
15 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
27 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Nice photos and written documentation. I agree
that the combination of field marks rules out an OCWA. I commend the
observer for waiting before confidently calling the ID, as I think we set
ourselves up for problems when we rely too heavily on any one field mark
for OCWA/TEWA ID (same logic could apply to a number of different ID
situations). |
Mark S. |
6 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent written documentation; photos show a
Tennessee Warbler. |
David
W. |
13 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Good and thorough writeup. I especially find the
structure of this bird convincing. |
Kevin
W. |
12 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Photos show distinct characteristics of
Tennessee Warbler, particularly the white undertail coverts. |
2023-49 Parasitic
Jaeger
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
12 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Great photos! |
Max M. |
27 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Nice photos, seems to be a good year for jaegers
in Utah |
Keeli M.. |
26 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Good supporting photos. Bird shows warmer toned
plumage consistent with PAJAs, longer slender bill with less black,
shorter central tail feathers than a LTJA, underwing coverts same color as
flanks. Has that mean angry bird look. |
Bryant
O. |
11 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Bill, plumage and R1 tail feathers consistent
with Parasitic. I also observed this bird on 9/10 a few hundred meters
west of the initial report later in the evening, chasing gulls. I'm
confident by behavior, flight style and plumage it is not the same Jaeger
I observed on the AIC on 9/4. Reminds me of 2014 when we had 3 PAJA and 1
LTJA all seen on the causeway within a few days of each other, which begs
the question, how many Jaegers migrate through the GSL every year? |
Kris P. |
25 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
45 minutes with a juvenile jaeger in great light
at a pretty close range, and terrific photos. This doesn't happen nearly
as often as we'd like. Excellent record. |
Mike
S. |
10 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Nice photos show a Parasitic Jaeger. |
Mark S. |
11 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Checks all the boxes for Parasitic Jaeger. |
David
W. |
3 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent photos. |
Kevin
W. |
12 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
I think that the photos show all the traits
necessary to distinguish this from other juvenile jaegers, ie. pointed
tail, buff-colored feather edges, white in the underwings. |
2023-50 Parasitic
Jaeger
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
12 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Description fits. |
Max M. |
27 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Hard to tell for sure from photos, but I agree
it does appear to be darker than the other individual a few days prior. |
Keeli M.. |
26 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Good find. Combination of photos and description
support the ID and rule out LTJA and POJA for me. |
Bryant
O. |
15 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Initially I assumed this was the same PAJA seen
on 9/10(which I also saw later that evening), however once I uploaded the
photos and compared them to Quinn's it was apparent this was a different
darker morph and therefore a different individual. My 3 Jaeger at this
location in a week! |
Kris P. |
25 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Here's a typically difficult juvenile jaeger
sighting in low light at a long but acceptable distance with enough
impressions and traits of the species observed and captured in words and
photos so I can get behind accepting this record. |
Mike
S. |
15 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
This is not a strong vote of acceptance.
However, the totality of field marks combined with details of flight style
points to a Parasitic Jaeger over similar species. |
Mark S. |
15 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent documentation; photos support the
written description; wing markings and bill structure eliminate other
jaegers. |
David
W. |
11 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Convincing Similar Species section. |
Kevin
W. |
2 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
I appreciate the details noted by the observer,
eliminating other possibilities and making acceptance of the record
easier. |
2023-51 Blackburnean
Warbler
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
12 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Nice photos! |
Max M. |
27 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Lovely photos of a beautiful bird! |
Keeli M.. |
26 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Great photos, great find. |
Bryant
O. |
20 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Photos leave no doubt |
Kris P. |
25 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
What an excellent and very thorough record. I
appreciate the extent the observers went to to rule out other species even
though James captured outstanding photos with all the diagnostic field
marks. |
Mike
S. |
2 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent documentation. Photos leave no doubt. |
Mark S. |
20 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent documentation, photos are definitive. |
David
W. |
11 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
It is unfortunate that both photos of the side
of the head obscure the same portion of the face. But the tail pattern,
back color, shape of cheek patch, and white under-eye crescent are
convincing. |
Kevin
W. |
2 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Good photos with diagnostic light stripes on
back, partial eye-ring, and dark cheek patch. |
2023-52 Parasitic
Jaeger
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. 2nd: |
14 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
|
Max M. |
27 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Another nice find by our own. Jaeger year! |
2nd round:
|
23 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Continuing to accept, especially given that it
appears Kris's vote occurred before her 4th (?) observation of the bird
where she independently identified it as a Parasitic: https://ebird.org/checklist/S150968060.
Hopefully she can clarify as her first vote occurred on the 25th of
September and her latest sighting occurred on September 28th. |
Keeli M.. |
27 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Behavior, shape, and description support ID |
2nd round:
|
19 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Been very interesting following this discussion.
Appreciate everyone's comments, especially Bryant's analysis. Continuing
to accept based on the details provided. |
Bryant
O. |
27 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
I think Kris's photos look better for a PAJA,
note the long pale bill and overall shape and structure better for PAJA
than LTJA, and very likely that is the same Jaeger I saw. |
2nd round:
|
31 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Kris's photo shows a Parasitic, note the long
thin bill mostly gray with a small black tip. LTJA have a shorter bill
with only half gray, black nail makes up half the length of the bill. POJA
have a thicker stouter bill with a bigger black nail. I and Kris both got
a good look at this Jaeger as it chased a RBGU, which gave a direct size
comparison consistent with a PAJA. I watch this Jaeger in the scope in
pursuit of a RBGU, at one point it banked and dove on the RBGU, flaring
the spread tail and I got an excellent in scope view of the R1 tail
feathers, which were slightly longer than the other tail feathers and very
pointed. Only PAJA juveniles have pointed R1 tail feathers, juvenile LTJA
and POJA have blunt rounded R1.An additional plumage note, all juvenile
intermediate morph LTJA I have seen show a contrasting dark cap with a
pale nape, all PAJA intermediate morph juveniles I have seen have a solid
dark head with the crown and nape being the same shade. Kris's photo shows
a juvenile intermediate morph Jaeger with a solid dark head consistent
with a PAJA |
Kris P. |
25 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
This may be the weirdest Accept vote I've filed
since I saw this bird three times and got a couple distant pics, but still
have declined to name it myself because the bird remained unreasonably far
out in the reservoir floating placidly for most of my observation time. It
yielded neither field marks nor impressions strong enough to eliminate a
Long-tailed. I'm comfortable with it not being a Pomarine based on what I
saw and Bryant's record, and I think just enough is contained here to
accept as a Parasitic including size in comparison to a Ring-billed Gull;
fast and agile in flight when chasing; and single primary flash. I
probably need to understand better the note regarding seeing the shape of
the central tail feathers well give the bird was in flight at 200 meters
or more. That seems too far to me to gain any meaningful impression in
flight of feathers that must not project more than an inch beyond the
other tail feathers. I'm also concerned about the word 'memory' in the
References Consulted field; I think that field is intended to cite field
guides/apps/videos/other skilled opinions, etc. and given the difficulties
of juvenile jaeger ID, consulting references is always a good thing. |
2nd round:
|
27 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
I'm continuing to accept and appreciate Mike
S.'s conservative approach. Max is correct; I ID'd the jaeger as a
Parasitic the fourth time I saw it, which was after I had voted to accept
the record without yet seeing enough myself to name the bird.
Seeing this bird each time was like putting together a jigsaw puzzle.
Other puzzle pieces that helped form the whole were what Quinn Diaz (first
person to see it, I believe) reported originally as a bird sp. starting on
Sep 15, and of course, Bryant's sighting that resulted in this record. The
new puzzle pieces for me on Sep 28 were seeing the bird in powered flight
and attacking gulls several times, characteristic of Parasitic Jaegers,
and the size comparison with at least one Ring-billed Gull. And I do
believe the six total sightings Sep 15-Sep 28 were of the same bird given
its habits of remaining far out on the water and also angling northwest to
the open water of Willard Spur. |
Mike
S. |
20 Oct 2023 |
To 2nd |
I would like to see some discussion on this
record. A compelling case is made for Parasitic based on the the shape of
the central tail feathers and flight style. However, I m a bit concerned
about the lack of an upper-wing view, no bill description, no description
of the markings on under and upper-tail coverts, etc. |
2nd round:
|
20 Nov2023 |
Acc |
I appreciate the discussion on this record,
including Bryant and Kris's supplemental comments...
I agree that the body of evidence points in favor of Parasitic Jaeger for
reasons that have been mentioned (particularly behavior, size, and shape
of R1 tail feathers). |
Mark S. |
20 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent documentation, photos support the i.d. |
2nd round:
|
27 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
I still think there's enough evidence here to
accept this record. The description eliminates Pomarine Jaeger in
particular, and the structure visible in the photos eliminates
Long-tailed. |
David
W. |
17 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
The description does not eliminate the
possibility of a Long-tailed jaeger as strongly as I would like, but the
preponderance of evidence does seem to point to a Parasitic when the
photos are incorporated into the equation. |
2nd round:
|
15 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Nice discussion by Bryant. |
Kevin
W. |
2 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Detailed description nails key points and
eliminates similar species. |
2nd round:
|
13 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
I think the documentation given is enough for me
to accept. |
2023-53 White-winged
Crossbill
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
26 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
|
Max M. |
27 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Good year for WWCR in the Wasatch |
Keeli M.. |
27 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Nice supporting photos. Wonder if it's one of
the same birds from BCC. |
Bryant
O. |
23 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
We seem to have a
mini invasion in the Cottonwood Canyons this year, but no reports
elsewhere which is odd |
Kris P. |
26 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent detection of the audible call, and
good work to capture a photo that backs up the narrative. |
Mike
S. |
10 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Nice record. |
Mark S. |
23 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Good documentation; diagnostic photos. |
David
W. |
3 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
It has been quite the invasion year for both
species of North American crossbills. |
Kevin
W. |
3 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Photos show crossbill with white wing-bars. |
2023-54 Bell's
Sparrow
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
26 Oct 2023 |
No, ID |
I wrestled with this record for longer than it
deserved. Biased vote. |
Max M. |
27 Sep 2023 |
No, ID |
I don't think this write-up does enough to
eliminate Sagebrush Sparrow, no mention of back streaking or lack there
of? |
Keeli M.. |
27 Sep 2023 |
No, ID |
Given the observer's own uncertainty at the
validity of his ID (or at least his recognition that the possibility
exists that he mis-ID'd it), and the lack of photos, I'm inclined to say
there's not enough evidence to me to rule out a dark, curious SABS. |
Bryant
O. |
23 Sep 2023 |
No, ID |
No mention of how dark the malar was or back
streaking, it seems their ID is based on it perching in response to calls
being played, which means nothings since birds will react to many
different noises in different ways. The only thing this record has going
for it is the date, a bit early for Sagebrush to be moving into their
winter range, but some failed nesters or immatures could move south early,
and the same could also be said of Bell's since they are only known in
winter here. |
Kris P. |
26 Sep 2023 |
No, ID |
This is a very tricky ID not supported in this
record by an assessment of the malar and the streaking across the back,
the two most important features to distinguish the Bell's from the
Sagebrush Sparrow. I don't think a case for Bell's can be made without
excellent photos showing both areas. The two species are also known to
respond to each other's songs, so the behavior of Sagebrush Sparrow
responding to a Bell's Sparrow call or vice-versa is not conclusive. |
Mike
S. |
10 Oct 2023 |
No, ID |
I don't believe that a juvenile Black-throated
Sparrow has been ruled out, which are very common in this location/habitat
in August. Neither Bell's NOR Sagebrush Sparrows would be expected occur
in the Beaver Dam Slope area this time of year...
I suppose that a BESP wouldn't be completely out of the realm of
possibility given that there are some August eBird records in/around Las
Vegas (Corn Creek, etc.). However, better evidence would be needed to
accept than what is presented here. |
Mark S. |
23 Sep 2023 |
No, ID |
It's possible that this was a Bell's Sparrow, but I don't think that the
evidence presented reaches the level required for such a rare record. I
place little importance on the response to playback as evidence.
The description doesn't rule out Sagebrush Sparrow, that can be very
similar to Bell's Sparrow in the interior SE CA/S NV/SW UT area, such that
many individuals can't be distinguished even in hand. There's not enough
detail here to make a judgement. |
David
W. |
17 Oct 2023 |
No, ID |
It is quite possible that the observer saw a
Bell's sparrow. There have been quite a few reports of that species in the
SW corner of the state. However, without photos, recordings of the song,
or at least a more detailed description of the field marks, I am hesitant
to vote to accept this record. Differentiating between the various taxa
within the "Sage sparrow" complex is notoriously difficult.
The description of the bird as darker than a Sagebrush sparrow is
compelling, but there is no mention of a Sagebrush sparrow in the vicinity
for direct comparison. As such, one must consider whether the shade of
gray wasn't due to the angle/nature of light.
As for the responsiveness to a taped song, that is also suggestive but not
conclusive. Many birds respond to the calls of other birds (play a Sora
call in a marsh and see what answers).
I would have liked to have seen a discussion of the extent of white in the
lores/supercilium, extent of streaking on the breast and back, etc. |
Kevin
W. |
3 Oct 2023 |
No, ID |
I'm not sure that a "darker back," and
responding to a Bell's sparrow recording is enough information to accept a
record for this species. I'd like to see detailed comparison of streaking
on back and throat stripes to eliminate Sagebrush Sparrow in description. |
2023-55 Wandering
Tattler
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
25 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
|
Max M. |
27 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Another amazing find by Renee. It is great to
have someone regularly submitting lists from the refuge, hopefully she
will come back next year. |
Keeli M.. |
27 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Nice find and great photos! Would have liked a
little more discussion in the write-up of how similar species were ruled
out, but I guess the photos kind of speak for themselves. |
Bryant
O. |
26 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Great photos and description. |
Kris P. |
28 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Clear and concise; everything critical is here. |
Mike
S. |
10 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Great photos clearly show a Wandering Tattler. |
Mark S. |
24 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Photos clearly show Wandering Tattler; gray
crown extends to bill, eliminating Gray-tailed Tattler. |
David
W. |
3 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Lovely photos. Much like a Willet with bright
yellow legs. Renee has been busy out there this summer finding great
rarities! |
Kevin
W. |
3 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Photos show short yellow legs, long wings -
perfect for Wandering Tattler. |
2023-56 Buff-breasted
Sandpiper
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
26 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
I took the approach of trying to ID this as
something else, but have had no luck. |
2nd round:
|
14 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
No change. |
Max M. |
27 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Nice write-up and photos, although distant,
support BBSA. |
2nd round:
|
6 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Continuing to accept |
Keeli M.. |
17 Oct 2023 |
To 2nd |
Pictures are hard to tell detail or color on but
description supports ID. Size comparison with KILL rules out RUFF and lack
of white rump edges rules out PESA. |
2nd round:
|
19 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Photo was tough for me, but agree based on
description this is the best ID and other similar species are adequately
ruled out. |
Bryant
O. |
26 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Photos poor but conclusive, too small for juvy
RUFF. |
2nd round:
|
31 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Continue to believe thats this is a
Buff-breasted Sandpiper, which photos show. |
Kris P. |
29 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Quinn has turned up some great things over the
past few months. I think he also eliminated a juvenile Ruff with the size
listed as smaller than a Killdeer even though Ruff wasn't specifically
mentioned. |
2nd round:
|
11 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
I think Quinn did a good job with his
description and his photos support the ID without any conflicts. |
Mike
S. |
25 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
This is another very distant observation (~450
meters) that causes me some concern. However, I believe the ID is
established based on the combination of the written description and the
heavily cropped photos. I have a difficult time turning this into
something else, but I am interested to see what others think of this
record. |
2nd round:
|
6 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
I still believe that this record provides
adequate documentation for a Buff-breasted Sandpiper. |
Mark S. |
26 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Good description eliminates similar species;
photos, though poor, support the description. |
2nd round:
|
27 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
I appreciate Keeli's uncertainty, but she makes
a strong case for acceptance in her comments - similar species are
adequately eliminated. |
David
W. |
3 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Nice. Good job identifying this bird at
distance. |
2nd round:
|
15 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Nothing to add. |
Kevin
W. |
3 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
I wish the photos were better, but they do show
a sandpiper with upright posture. The description of the observer is
detailed enough and eliminates other possibilities for me to accept. |
2nd round:
|
13 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Continuing to accept. I can't turn the photos
into anything else, and the description fits. |
2023-57 Yellow-billed
Cuckoo
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
26 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
|
Max M. |
27 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Another good record from the Rio Mesa crew and
Mr. Kittelberger |
Keeli M.. |
27 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Another cool catch by the banding crew at Rio
Mesa. Not surprised there might still be a few along the Dolores or
Colorado River in that area. |
Bryant
O. |
26 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Well documented |
Kris P. |
29 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
25 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Definitive photo of a bird in hand. |
Mark S. |
26 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Breast is too white for Mangrove Cuckoo. ;-) |
David
W. |
3 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
What a photo! |
Kevin
W. |
3 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Good in-hand photos are distinctive. |
2023-58 Tennessee
Warbler
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
26 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
|
Max M. |
27 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Good documentation of a new species for Liberty
Park. |
Keeli M.. |
17 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Photos and description support TEWA and rule out
similar species. Nice to have a direct comparison with OCWA. |
Bryant
O. |
27 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
|
Kris P. |
30 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Sufficiently documented in words and pictures.
Bryant's picture in his eBird checklist (not one of the record photos) is
valuable, I think, because despite the low light, it shows the combination
of dark eye-line and long whitish under-tail coverts, and that's helpful
in addition to being mentioned in the record. |
Mike
S. |
25 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Written documentation and photos establish the
ID. |
Mark S. |
27 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Good documentation; diagnostic photos. |
David
W. |
3 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
A good find. Seen by several birders. |
Kevin
W. |
18 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Photos show field marks consistent with
Tennessee Warbler, particularly the white undertail coverts. |
2023-59 Ruddy
Turnstone
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
26 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Still can t understand why there is a need to
review a species that is an annual visitor to our State. |
Max M. |
23 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
I think I already voted on this record but
perhaps it did not go through. Good photo documentation and elimination of
similar species. |
Keeli M.. |
17 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Nice find, good supporting photos. |
Bryant
O. |
1 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Great looks! |
Kris P. |
1 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
27 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Nice documentation. |
Mark S. |
28 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Good documentation and photos. |
David
W. |
3 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Another fine record from one of the state's
premier rarities finders. Record was complete and even had an educational
tidbit thrown in for good measure. |
Kevin
W. |
18 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Photos eliminate any similar species. |
2023-60 Ruddy
Turnstone
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
26 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Still can t understand why there is a need to
review a species that is an annual visitor to our State. |
Max M. |
23 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Same thing as the other RUTU record - I think my
initial vote did not come through but I believe my photos and description
eliminate other species. |
Keeli M.. |
17 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Another great find with excellent photos. |
Bryant
O. |
1 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Great photos |
Kris P. |
1 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
25 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Definitive photos, nice record. |
Mark S. |
29 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Love these easy records - good description,
excellent photos. |
David
W. |
3 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Charming and thorough report. I would expect
nothing less from one of the coordinators of the Sageland Collaborative
Intermountain West Shorebird Survey. |
Kevin
W. |
18 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Again, good photos eliminate any similar
species. |
2023-61 Lark Bunting
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
26 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
|
Max M. |
23 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Photos and description look good for Lark
Bunting. |
Keeli M.. |
17 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Nice photos showing white on the underside of
the tail. Description and photos support ID. |
Bryant
O. |
1 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent photos leave no doubt |
Kris P. |
1 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
I'll accept Colin's assurance that the
diagnostic white wing-patch is present because I can't see it in Photo C
possibly due to over-exposure in the area of the patch. Photo D also shows
the distinctive under-tail pattern. |
Mike
S. |
25 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Nice photos show a Lark Bunting. |
Mark S. |
29 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
Another easy one with diagnostic photos - unlike
the last batch of photos we had for this species. |
David
W. |
3 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Convincing photos and writeup. |
Kevin
W. |
18 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Very good evaluation, and supporting photos show
the field marks of Lark Bunting (white wing patch, thick silver bill,
thick breast streaking). |
2023-62 Boreal Owl
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
26 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Photos + the fact that this is a breeding
species in Utah |
Max M. |
23 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Great documentation. I am growing a bit
concerned every fall that eBird flags these as rare and we inevitably have
a bunch of subsequent reports of BOOW after the initial sightings, and we
may be inadvertently leading to disturbance of these birds. Maybe not
something for the records committee, and rather the eBird reviewers for
the relevant counties, but I would like to see this removed from rare bird
alerts to prevent too much disturbance, or for the observers to hide the
lists for a week to prevent too much attention. |
Keeli M.. |
17 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent photos support ID. |
Bryant
O. |
9 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Great photos and documentation. |
Kris P. |
8 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
I'm glad to see records on this species continue
to come in. |
Mike
S. |
28 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Great photos, nice record. |
Mark S. |
4 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Beautiful photos, excellent documentation. |
David
W. |
11 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Hard to argue with amazing photos like this. |
Kevin
W. |
23 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Photo shows a Boreal Owl |
2023-63 Boreal Owl
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
26 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Photos + the fact that this is a breeding
species in Utah |
Max M. |
23 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Same comments on this report as the other BOOW
report in Wasatch County. |
Keeli M.. |
17 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent photos support ID. |
Bryant
O. |
9 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Great photos and documentation. |
Kris P. |
8 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Boreal Owl records are something of a formality
to continue to add the data points, but I think they're important as we
don't have that many years of data. |
Mike
S. |
28 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Another great record with excellent photos. |
Mark S. |
4 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent documentation. |
David
W. |
11 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Hard to argue with amazing photos like this. I'm
continually amazed at the remarkable photos Jeff manages to snap. |
Kevin
W. |
23 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Photo shows a Boreal Owl. It's nice to get this
species and distribution better documented within the State! |
2023-64 Connecticut
Warbler
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
23 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Great documentation and a much overdue record
for Utah. I wonder how many of these skulky warblers move through
undocumented. |
Keeli M.. |
17 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
|
Bryant
O. |
10 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Great documentation leaves no doubt |
Kris P. |
8 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Really a phenomenal capture. It's a nice
addition to the Utah Birds database finally to have such a well-documented
record of this species so rarely seen in the state. Thanks to the Rio Mesa
Field Station crew that consistently files records with the committee. |
Mike
S. |
6 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Great record of a very rare species for west of
the Rockies (especially for anywhere outside of California). This banding
station has compiled some great records this year. |
Mark S. |
10 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Wow. Exceptional documentation. I was prepared
for a much harder review decision, but this one leaves no doubt. |
David
W. |
11 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Laudably thorough and well-documented record
with excellent photos to boot. |
Kevin
W. |
23 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Well written documentation and photos. The
complete eyering and long undertail coverts seem to eliminate similar
species. Cool record! |
2023-65 Purple
Finch
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. 2nd: |
8 Dec 2023 |
No, ID |
This could very well be a Purple Finch, but I
don t feel there is enough documentation here to eliminate other, more
likely, species. |
Max M. |
23 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
I am glad that Colby followed up on this and
asked for the original recordings. Renee had sent me one of the two
recordings via text, and the quality was decreased to the point I could
not tell for sure what I was hearing. The recordings uploaded to eBird
give a much better indication that they support Purple Finch. |
2nd round:
|
22 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
I used to have Purple Finches nesting in my
backyard in Wisconsin, and they regularly come to our bird feeder at our
cabin in Northern Minnesota. I am very familiar with PUFI's making the
single call note in the second recording. Here is another Macaulay Library
recording that perfectly matches the recording from Fish Springs:
https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/81497411. I have never heard a
Cassin's make this type of call, and can't find anything close to it for
CAFI on eBird. Continuing to accept. |
Keeli M.. |
1 Oct 2023 |
No, ID |
Call/chip notes rule out HOFI for me, but I
don't think there's quite enough evidence in both the call recording and
the description of the observation to rule out CAFI. Chip note is spot on
for PUFI, but comparing the calls in Merlin to the recording, it matches
some of the CAFI recordings. I don't think I'm confident enough in the ID
to rule out CAFI. |
2nd round:
|
10 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Changing my vote. Also read the article Kevin
mentioned and listened to the calls again, and the first call does match
the Purple Finch call. If the single note flight call is distinct to PUFI,
as Jaramillo and Beadle assert in their article, then the single call in
the first recording should be a definitive ID. |
Bryant
O. |
18 Oct 2023 |
To 2nd |
Please redact by previous comments as they are
no longer relevant, however since I have little field experience with this
species and the description doesn't rule out a CAFI, and ID rest only on
the recording, which does sound OK for PUFI, I just want to hear others
thoughts on this record before I accept since I'm unfamiliar with their
calls. Especially since this is a very unusual date and location for this
species.. |
2nd round:
|
12 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
This is a soft accept, and I could
be talked out of it, but I've never heard a CAFI make that pik in the 2nd
recording, a call I have heard PUFI do. If someone can produce and example
of a CAFI call like this I would love to hear it, but without such
evidence PUFI seems the best match |
Kris P. |
10 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Wow, not much to go on here. But I think the
audio eliminates Cassin's Finch and the sonogram particularly of audio
file #2 matches several Macaulay Library recordings of an eastern Purple
Finch. |
2nd round:
|
7 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
I found several Macaulay recordings that were confirming, and I noted the
most compelling one in case this came up in a second round: ML 455652351.
I also let Kaufman advise me in Advanced Birding regarding the
distinctiveness of the sharp "pik" call note of the Purple Finch rather
than the more musical call note of the Cassin's Finch. His analysis offers
information similar to the Jaramillo-Beadle article Kevin cited.
I can't say I feel more comforted about the volume of information in this
record given most of you have that same sense. But I do think Purple Finch
is the best fit. |
Mike
S. |
13 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
While Merlin's sound ID can be unreliable, I do
believe that the ID is established based on the recordings and eBird
spectrograms. I also agree with Colby's assessment that this is the
eastern ssp. |
2nd round:
|
14 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
Continuing to accept as a Purple
Finch after listening to numerous calls and viewing spectrograms on the
Macauley library. The flight call provided seems to be a near-perfect
match with other examples I found (see links below). I am less confident
about the other call recording, but I think I would also lean towards a
Purple Finch (over Cassin's) for that one. The Macaulay recording that
Kris mentioned appears to be a really good match.
https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/81497411
https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/487334281
https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/48724811 |
Mark S. |
14 Oct 2023 |
No, ID |
I don't think there's enough here to accept a
record of this rarity,and the calls in the second recording, at least,
sound more Cassin's Finch-like to me. |
2nd round:
|
4 Dec 2023 |
No, ID |
I still don't think that there's enough here to rule out Cassin's Finch,
in spite of the assertions giving in certain publications, and certainly
not enough evidence to accept a record of this rarity and difficulty. |
David
W. |
14 Nov 2023 |
To 2nd |
Not a whole lot to go on here other than the
recordings. But the physical description does indeed appear to indicate
either a Cassin's or Purple finch.
I am curious to which recording others on the Committee matched the call.
I listened to recordings on eBird and looked at their corresponding
spectrograms, but I have yet to encounter a convincing match. If anything,
the spectrogram matches I have looked at seem to suggest this is more like
Cassin's, what with the cursive V shape.
I bumped this to the second round out of deference to our regional eBird
reviewer. |
2nd round:
|
19 Dec 2023 |
No, ID |
This is a soft No
to mirror Bryant. I'm with Mark on this, based on my perusals. |
Kevin
W. |
23 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Although the record has a lack of any good
written detail, the "flight call" provided seems to be definitive enough
to prove it as a Purple Finch. I listened to lots of recordings of
Cassin's Finches, and couldn't find any where it had the simple "pik" call
provided in this record. Alvaro Jaramillo and David Beadle in
Identification of Female Cassin's and Purple Finches (Birder's Journal,
Volume 8, No. 6; December 1999 and January 2000 p288-295) indicate that
"The most reliable way to identify a Cassin's or Purple finch is by
call... Purple Finches give a single "tuuk", "pit" or "pik." If the flight
call is indeed definitive, then I'll accept this record. |
2nd round:
|
1 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
Continuing to accept based on the unique flight call. |
2023-66 Common
Ground-Dove
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
14 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
|
Max M. |
23 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Photos and Description support Common
Ground-Dove. |
Keeli M.. |
17 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent photos and description support ID. |
Bryant
O. |
18 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Great photos |
Kris P. |
10 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
6 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Great photos clearly show a Common Ground Dove.
Nice record! |
Mark S. |
17 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Good documentation; photos leave no doubt. |
David
W. |
17 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent photos confirm the ID. The scaling on
the head and breast and the bicolored bill are both great field marks. |
Kevin
W. |
23 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Photos show distinctive characteristics of
common Ground-Dove, including the scaled pattern on the breast and nape
and the lack of dark spots on the scapulars. |
2023-67 Tri-colored
Heron
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
14 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Gotta love good photos. |
2nd round:
|
8 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
It seems we all have some degree of issue with
the written report, BUT THERE IS A PHOTO! To expect a teenager that has
recently began birding to submit a well written, descriptive sight record
seems a little elitist. If this were the only documentation, then the
written report would not be enough. Did I mention there is a photo? And
that this photo is of a TRHE that is in a species of tree that is found
exactly where they said they photographed the bird? |
Max M. |
25 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Nice find by some high school students, glad
they finally submitted a record. Too bad this bird wasn't relocated. |
2nd round:
|
12 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
After the hard work and diligence of a few of
our committee members, seems like we can accept the record of the (1)
photographed TRHE! Thanks to Kris, Bryant, Milt and others for trying to
straighten out the mess of these young birders. |
Keeli M.. |
17 Oct 2023 |
To 2nd |
Observer reported seeing two birds the size and
shape of GBHE flying, not perched. Photo from other student confirms
tri-colored heron was present at some point, but I'm not convinced from
the narration that the person reporting the TCHE actually saw it... |
2nd round:
|
21 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
Thank you for the extra effort put in to clarify
this record. Photo clearly shows TRHE, and concerns regarding the record
itself have been resolved. |
Bryant
O. |
18 Oct 2023 |
To 2nd |
The observers notes don't rule out a GBHE,
however the photos, not taken by the observer, are of a juvenile TRHE, so
I do indeed believe there was one there, but not necessarily seen by this
observer. Not sure how to reconcile this? |
2nd round:
|
12 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
Please redact my previous 2nd round comment. The
issues I had with this record are rectified by having eyewitness accounts
from observers who were with the person who took the photos. The 2 new
sight records only list 1 TRHE present, which is a significant detail.
Photos do show a juvenile TRHE, and the new sight records description
match that in plumage and size. I do not believe the observer in the
original sight record saw 2 TRHE. |
Kris P. |
11 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
I'm voting to accept due to the photo depicting
a juvenile Tricolored Heron. As the submitter implies, someone else took
the photos at another time earlier in the day, possibly during these
visits:
https://ebird.org/checklist/S149486269
https://ebird.org/checklist/S149278927
I'm not convinced that the submitter actually saw the bird. Her
description is off in several ways, especially in not reporting the
striking two-toned under-parts that would be highly visible in flight. But
bylaw IV.C.8. requires us to take all information into account, and the
photo clearly documents a juvenile TRHE. I'm willing to change my vote on
procedural grounds if I've misinterpreted this voting rule since it seems
kind of important to believe the submitter saw the bird (which I don't
believe). But maybe even more important is the evidence documenting that
the bird was present. The photo shows the species and I believe the
submitter's tale of where the picture came from. |
2nd round:
|
12 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
The concerns I had during the first vote have
been answered through supplemental records since received, so I'll
continue to accept but now without reservation. |
Mike
S. |
13 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Diagnostic photos |
2nd round:
|
14 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
Thanks again to those who put in the extra work
on this record.
I believe the additional sight records help to "connect the dots" and
provide some clarity on the origin of the photos that were attached to the
original record. Despite the initial concerns I expressed in the group
thread, I believe this record now rises to a level of documentation that
is acceptable.
Having said that, I am surprised that no one has mentioned that there is a
photo! (just kidding, Mike H.) |
Mark S. |
17 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Photos show a Tricolored Heron. |
2nd round:
|
4 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
This is definitely a strange, and perhaps
unprecedented situation for this committee. The latter is suggested by the
lack of a "No, IRR" (for irregularities in the submission) option on the
voting selections. I can't vote "No, ID," because the i.d. is correct. Nor
are there questions of its natural occurrence or introduced status. So if
I vote "no," on what grounds do I make that vote?
While it is, indeed, irregular to have a submission from someone who was
not the observer, nor the photographer, I don't see anything in the bylaws
that prohibits such third-party submissions. In fact, it would appear that
such submissions are specifically *permitted* under IV.A.3 of the bylaws:
"3. Any record, whether published or not, old or new, may be submitted by
a Voting Member or other person, whether or not an observer, if he has
first attempted to obtain details from the observer(s)."
Inasmuch as no one has raised any doubts as to the provenance (date or
location) of the photos, and that the photos clearly show a Tricolored
Heron, I see no grounds for rejecting this record, in spite of the
irregularities.
If any committee member thinks this is an error, perhaps the proper place
to address it is in the bylaws, since such submissions would appear to be
fully sanctioned there. |
David
W. |
24 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Amusing writeup, convincing photos. The lores
and length of bill are especially noteworthy. |
2nd round:
|
5 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
I think most or all of us agree the bird
shown in the photograph is a Tri-colored heron. It also seems to be
sitting on the Staghorn sumac-like trees found on Egg/Goose Egg Island
(I've heard it called both).
The fact that the original observer who reported this species in eBird has
so far failed to provide a report is very regrettable and has resulted in
a bizarre situation where we are voting on a half-hearted proxy submittal
by a student of "Professor Blundell" who may or may not have actually seen
this bird.
However, as Mark Stackhouse points out in the Committee's email
discussions regarding this record, our bylaws specifically allow for this
situation under IV.A.3, which reads:
"3. Any record, whether published or not, old or new, may be submitted by
a Voting Member or other person, whether or not an observer, if he has
first attempted to obtain details from the observer(s)."
Therefore, since the bird shown in the photo is, in my opinion, a
Tri-colored heron, and since the photo appears to be genuine based on
evidence before us, and since it was submitted to us as part of a record
(albeit by someone who may or may not have been an observer), it seems
like we should not veto this record based on procedure.
Therefore, I remain bemused but convinced the record accurately represents
a sighting of a Tri-colored heron at Goosegg Island at Farmington Bay WMA
on the date in the record.
It is my hope that in the future "Professor Blundell" has a change of
conscience/opportunity and will find the time to submit a supplementary
record to bolster/clarify this record as has been requested. |
Kevin
W. |
13 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
The photos are pretty distinctive; showing the
red and white neck. |
2nd round:
|
1 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
Weird situation. Yes, the photo shows a
Tricolored Heron, but the photo wasn't taken by the submitter who probably
didn't see that bird (at least it's not obvious in the write-up). So if
we're just voting on a photo that indicates the bird was in Utah, that
would be acceptable; but I don't think it's right to accept a record from
someone who didn't see the bird. |
2023-68 Gray
Hawk
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
14 Nov 2023 |
No, ID |
|
Max M. |
6 Nov 2023 |
No, ID |
Photos are poor - but behavior, location and
photos support Cooper's Hawk. |
Keeli M.. |
19 Nov 2023 |
No, ID |
I'm getting goshawk (AGOS now I guess) from these photos and description,
not Gray Hawk. The dark mask and the description of behavior all point to
that ID as more likely, and there's no evidence provided that rules AGOS
ID out. |
Bryant
O. |
30 Oct 2023 |
No, ID |
No need for a video, looks fine for an Accipiter
rather than a Buteo, particularly an exceptionally rare one way out of
season, range and habitat and Accipiter wasn't even considered? There are
a number of ID help forums available for beginners, I don't think
submitting a record to a BRC is a very efficient or informative method for
beginners to request bird ID help, nor is it the intended use of the BRC
vetting process. Is there a better way we can deal with these type of
records other than the standard review process? |
Kris P. |
11 Nov 2023 |
No, ID |
This bird looks like a Cooper's Hawk. I think
witnessing this hawk tearing up prey right in her front yard with her
daughter was an amazing nature experience and may inspire both of them to
become birders. I hope so, anyway. |
Mike
S. |
6 Nov 2023 |
No, ID |
Clearly not a Gray Hawk, and appears to be a
Cooper's based on structure, dark cap, and wide white terminal tail band.
The blank Similar Species section is almost always a red flag. |
Mark S. |
27 Oct 2023 |
No, ID |
Note to Milt:
I know the record says (unfinished) though I'm not sure what that means,
but this is clearly an Accipiter, probably Sharp-shinned (though the
photos aren't entirely definitive to species). In any event, it's NOT a
Gray Hawk - structure is wrong (tail too long, bird too skinny), and the
tail banding is wrong.
Anyway, if it comes to a vote as is, this will be mine. |
David
W. |
7 Nov 2023 |
No, ID |
The cap, the very long tail (with primary
projections coming only a short way down its length), and the width and
color of the banding on the tail all argue against this being a Gray hawk. |
Kevin
W. |
13 Nov 2023 |
No, ID |
The photos aren't great, but I get the general
impression of a Cooper's Hawk with them; the dark cap and long tail with
an apparent light tail-band lead me to this. |
2023-69 Blackpoll
Warbler
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
6 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Good photos and elimination of similar species.
Thanks again to our eBird liaison for flagging this bird. |
Keeli M.. |
19 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Good photos and discussion of ID and elimination
of similar species. |
Bryant
O. |
30 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Looks good for Blackpoll with
streaking on back and flanks. |
Kris P. |
13 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Thorough documentation and elimination of
similar species, particularly Bay-breasted and Pine Warblers. I like the
fact that the observer has 250 more photos in case we need them. |
Mike
S. |
13 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Nice photos and great overall documentation. |
Mark S. |
27 Oct 2023 |
Acc |
Good documentation, and photos eliminate other
possibilities - got to love those orange feet for making this i.d. in
rather generic, non-breeding plumage. |
David
W. |
24 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
I struggled mightily with this one, but finally
convinced myself that this was a Blackpoll warbler. Great find. |
Kevin
W. |
13 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
I think the photos show all the definitive
features: yellow feet, wing bars, streaky greenish back, faintly streaked
breast. Looks good for a Blackpoll Warbler to me. |
2023-70 Yellow-bellied
Sapsucker
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
16 Nov 2023 |
No, ID |
I don't believe this record safely eliminates
RNSA or RNSAxYBSA. No mention of lack of red on nape, the description of
the throat and back leave too many questions. |
Keeli M.. |
19 Nov 2023 |
No, ID |
Record doesn't adequately rule out RNSA, which
looks nearly identical and can hybridize with YBSA. |
Bryant
O. |
31 Oct 2023 |
No, ID |
No discussion of Red-napped Sapsucker, no
description of nape. It may have simply not occurred to the observer that
this was a Red-napped, which are common and expected there that time of
year. |
Kris P. |
14 Nov 2023 |
No, ID |
I'm mystified as to why there's no mention of
the more likely similar species, the Red-naped Sapsucker, or hybrids with
that species. The field marks section doesn't actually include
characteristics unique to the Yellow-bellied Sapsucker. |
Mike
S. |
21 Nov 2023 |
No, ID |
I believe that Lucy is a very capable birder who
has reported rarities in the past that have either been photographed or
corroborated by others. However, I don't believe there is enough detail in
this description to rule out a Red-naped Sapsucker, or potentially a RNSA
X YBSA hybrid.
The best feature I am seeing in the description that would favor YBSA
would be the (apparent) lack of a red nape. However, the there is nothing
written about the extent of red in the throat, which would be important
detail (especially for an adult bird). I also wish there was more written
about the head and back pattern (maybe "black and white mottling" implies
the messier back pattern of a YBSA, but I'm not sure).
While this may have been a YBSA, I don't believe there is enough detail in
this record to be confident. |
Mark S. |
2 Nov 2023 |
No, ID |
An otherwise good description is flawed by not
considering the obvious similar species - Red-naped Sapsucker. And nowhere
in her description are any details that might assist us in determining
which of these species she saw. So maybe she saw a Yellow-bellied
Sapsucker, but there just isn't enough here to know. |
David
W. |
24 Nov 2023 |
No, ID |
Seemingly no attempt to differentiate between
the far more common Red-naped sapsucker. |
Kevin
W. |
15 Nov 2023 |
No, ID |
Not enough information is provided to rule out
Red-naped Sapsucker, which would be more expected. |
2023-71 Ovenbird
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
6 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Sad to see this beautiful bird be the victim of
a window strike. |
Keeli M.. |
19 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Bummer record, but photos support ID. |
Bryant
O. |
5 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
|
Kris P. |
14 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
13 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Photos clearly show an Ovenbird. |
Mark S. |
4 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Old school - specimen collected. |
David
W. |
7 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Sad but true. |
Kevin
W. |
15 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Photos show a (regretfully dead) Ovenbird. |
2023-72 Winter
Wren
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
8 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
Audio documentation indicates this to be a WIWR. |
Max M. |
6 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Looks and sounds good for WIWR. Good find and
documentation by one of our own. |
Keeli M.. |
19 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Description, photos, and audio recordings
support ID. Call sounds lower and similar to SOSP as you would expect with
a WIWR. |
Bryant
O. |
5 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Recording spot on for WIWR |
Kris P. |
15 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
I agree that the audio is diagnostic, and
plumage details are strong enough to support Winter Wren. Excellent effort
to document this bird, Mike. |
Mike
S. |
13 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
5 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent documentation - both the photos and especially the recordings
support the i.d. |
David
W. |
24 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
|
Kevin
W. |
15 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
The calls seem more Winter Wren-like to me, and
the photos seem less rufous than Pacific wrens, with a tan (more pale)
throat, and more robust eyebrow than Pacific. |
2023-73 Palm
Warbler
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
8 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
|
Max M. |
6 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Incredible photos! I was lucky enough to observe
this bird on 11-6. |
Keeli M.. |
19 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Photos and description of tail pumping behavior
support ID as PAWA. |
Bryant
O. |
6 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Great photos |
Kris P. |
18 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
21 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Nice documentation, including excellent photos. |
Mark S. |
9 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent documentation and photos. |
David
W. |
7 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
A well-documented record with excellent photos.
The white tail spot noted by others and visible in some photos helps cinch
the case against similar species like pipits. |
Kevin
W. |
15 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Quality photos show distinctive yellow undertail
coverts, tail pattern, and eyeline. The description also adds the
distinctive tail-pumping. |
2023-74 CanyonTowhee
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
6 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Photos support CATO. Great record for Utah. |
2nd round:
|
9 Jan 2024 |
No, ID |
I am having a really hard time with this bird -
surprisingly, this is the first record where my colorblindness seems to be
hindering my ability to see some of the green coloration. I asked multiple
family members, and it appears that there is agreement among them (and
some of the committee members) the green in the left wing is likely not an
artifact of the photo because it is in the shade (which initially I wrote
off the color in the right flank as an artifact. I am really struggling
now with that, the contrasty cap, but also the tail that appears not to be
green, or as green as it should be in GTTO. Given the information/photos
that we have, without seeing the front of the bird, I don't know if I can
say without a doubt this is in fact a GTTO, or a CATO. I therefore am
changing my vote. |
Keeli M.. |
19 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Can't tell if the yellow color on the right
shoulder is a reflection or light effect or actual color. Could be an
interesting hybrid CATO x GTTO if that's a thing if it actual has
yellowish green on it. If not, I'd say CATO best fits ID based on the
photos. |
2nd round:
|
11 Jan 2024 |
No, ID |
Changing my vote. Based on the degree of
uncertainty within the board here and the lack of additional support for
ID either way, I agree that there's not enough evidence to support
acceptance. |
Bryant
O. |
6 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Good Photos |
2nd round:
|
12 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
I've never seen a GTTO without a yellow tail, to
me the back, wings and tail look brown, the tiny amount of yellowish on
the shoulder and maybe in the left wing looks like an artifact of light
filtering through vegetation. Usually the tail is the yellowist part of a
GTTO, this bird has a brown tail. As far as hybrid, I don't think we see
enough to assess that, but hybrids should only be considered if a more
plausible full species cannot, 2 tiny yellow spots don't add up to a
hybrid, especially since they appear to be lighting artifacts'. |
Kris P. |
18 Nov 2023 |
No, ID |
I think this bird is a Green-tailed Towhee. The
rusty and well-defined crown depicted in the photos is better for a
Green-tailed rather than the weak and lower-contrasting crown of the
Canyon. I don't think the green cast on the brightly lit scaps is an
artifact given that the secondaries that are totally in low light also
appear to have a green cast. Even if I resisted outright calling this a
Green-tailed, my most liberal opinion is that there's not enough in words
or pictures to accept this as a Canyon Towhee. The record would need to
include more about the face pattern, upper breast necklace, breast spot,
color of the under-tail coverts, or some combination of those field marks. |
2nd round:
|
13 Dec 2023 |
No, ID |
I think the observer was careful and I suspect
this species occurs in Utah more often than we know due to the
inaccessible habitats it occupies.
BUT...
I'm wary of records like this: A very rare bird with no observing or
physical evidence of the diagnostic features to clinch the ID, but with
analysis (or maybe rationalizations) by both the observer and us to
explain features that don't quite fit. The details of this record amount
to a stranglehold on strong and redundant evidence and circumstances: A
brief and limited view; no view at all of some of the most compelling
features (lower face and breast pattern) to eliminate other species; low
light; limited photo evidence; in effect, one observer; no observer
experience with the species or similar species; the bird having a feature
(crown pattern) at the extreme for the species but a better fit for a more
common one; and with features we have to explain away (green).
The photos in the links Mike S. provided are very compelling and show that
Green-tailed Towhees can look as drab as the bird in our record. The
advantage in those links, however, is that they also show the diagnostic
features and some of the lesser ones, all of which are obscured in this
record by lighting, pose or vantage in both what the observer witnessed or
photographed. So there's no reason to question the IDs in the photo links,
while our record of such a significant rarity offers no views of the
diagnostic features of either species.
I hope not to see a record of such a significant rarity with such weak
evidence become part of the UBRC data base. |
Mike
S. |
21 Nov 2023 |
No, ID |
Despite the limited angle, the photos appear to
show a Green-tailed Towhee...
This may be a drab individual appearing even more drab in the shade, but
note the greenish edges to the primaries on the folded wing, and the
greenish scapular area that is illuminated in the sun.
In addition to those differences, I would expect a Canyon Towhee to show
less of a distinct crown/nape contrast compared to this individual. |
2nd round:
|
12 Dec 2023 |
No, ID |
No change of opinion from the first round, and I
agree with Kris and Kevin. When I first looked at this record, I was
almost on board with the ID of CATO, but upon further review, I realized
the starkly contrasting rufous crown combined with areas of
greenish-yellow upper-parts make this a GTTO. It would be nice to have
additional photos that showed a complete view of the bird, but besides
being a bit drab, I am not seeing anything out of the ordinary for a GTTO.
See links below for GTTO photos from the Macauley Library that show birds
in similar plumages to this individual (also from similar dates). Some of
these show greenish in the same areas as the submitted individual, and if
photographed only from the back with a limited view of the face, I am
envisioning something very similar to the bird in this record.
As a side note, we have had an unusual number of late/lingering (possibly
wintering?) GTTO in Washington County recently, and I actually saw one
yesterday in Snow Canyon SP.
https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/611479641
https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/493073881
https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/377191901
https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/504556761 |
Dennis S.2nd: |
2 Jan 2024 |
No, ID |
This was a tough call! I believe the bird in
question is either the called CATO or a GTTO. After reviewing the record
and everyones comments I'm not convinced either way. There are pluses and
minuses both ways. Since the CATO is such a rarity for the State, and
Snow's Canyon is so frequently birded, I'm overturning the call on the
field! |
Mark S. |
9 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
I'm a little concerned with the strength of the
rusty cap, that is certainly at the extreme for Canyon Towhee. However, I
can't see any other signs of it being a hybrid with Green-tailed Towhee or
anything else. Reviewing photos of Canyon Towhee, I found a few that have
similar rusty caps, so I guess it's within the range of variation for that
species. |
2nd round:
|
11 Jan 2024 |
No, ID |
I really can't see nearly enough green or even
yellowish in this bird to call it a Green-tailed Towhee, and still think
it's most likely a Canyon Towhee. However, the fact that there is strong
dissent on the committee signals to me that the evidence isn't
sufficiently clear to accept a record of this rarity, so I'll change my
vote. |
David
W. |
7 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Photos are convincing, habitat is right. Not
sure what else it could be. Nice find! |
2nd round:
|
9 Jan 2024 |
No, ID |
OK, I've waited until nearly the chimes of
midnight on this one. The fact that I cannot decide whether this is a
Canyon towhee or just mostly a Canyon towhee tells me that I haven't seen
adequate evidence to accept this record in the second round. I will
therefore change my vote. It doesn't phenotypically seem to be a pure
example of either towhee, but rather a bit of both (though to my eyes
mostly a Canyon). I don't know... Best guess is this may be a hybrid. I've
not heard of these two species hybridizing, but towhees of different
species certainly have done so, including across genera. So my vote is "I
don't know." |
Kevin
W. |
15 Nov 2023 |
No, ID |
The photos show green in the wings. This is a
Green-tailed Towhee. |
2nd round:
|
28 Dec 2023 |
No, ID |
I still believe the photo shows more
distinguishing characteristics of a Green-tailed Towhee. |
2023-75 Ruff
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
8 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
|
Max M. |
21 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Good documentation photos. The entrance pond at
Farmington Bay seems to be a magnet for this species. |
Keeli M.. |
19 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Photos support ID, and observer is correct in
that very few other birds look like this. Short bill, orange legs, size
comparison to the yellowlegs all support ID as RUFF. |
Bryant
O. |
8 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
I agree with Ruff but size compared to
Yellowlegs and all black bill looks like a female, adult by the bright
yellow/orange legs. Maybe we can add that to the record to clarify since
record says male? |
Kris P. |
19 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
4 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
Photos show a Ruff, and a nice side by side
comparison with Lesser and Greater Yellowlegs. |
Mark S. |
9 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Good documentation and photos. |
David
W. |
24 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Sparse but convincing. Saved by the photos. |
Kevin
W. |
1 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
Short down-turned bill, scaly back pattern,
yellow-orange legs all good marks for Ruff. It seems that Ruff is being
seen more regularly in Utah lately, with most records after 2016. |
2023-76 Red
Phalarope
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
8 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
As the initial report indicates, there mayve
been more than one individual present. Especially considering the number
of days between the original report and other observations. The photos
from 11/24 clearly show a REPH. |
Max M. |
21 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
This bird was just at the right distance that we
had excellent views through my dad's Kowa scope, but a little too distant
for good photos. Very confident in my independent ID of this individual. |
Keeli M.. |
11 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
Wishing for better photos, but enough between
that and the description to support ID. |
Bryant
O. |
16 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Max's checklist with additional photos
https://ebird.org/checklist/S154338818 |
Kris P. |
19 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
4 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
Great photos and documentation by multiple
observers. |
Mark S. |
4 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent documentation with ample and
convincing photographic evidence. |
David
W. |
24 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
I think we saw the same bird yesterday. Lauri
got some better photos. Kenny Frisch got some excellent photos earlier in
the week that most likely also correspond to this bird. |
Kevin
W. |
1 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
I'm not sure the photos are good enough to be
definitive (although the bill looks plenty thick), but the description
fits Red Phalarope well. |
2023-77 Magnolia
Warbler
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
19 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
|
Max M. |
21 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent find, write-up and photos by this
birding duo. Wish it was a bit closer to SLC! |
Keeli M.. |
16 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Good photos and writeup! |
Bryant
O. |
20 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent photos and description leave no doubt |
Kris P. |
20 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
A very thoroughly documented sighting with words
and excellent photos and recordings. |
Mike
S. |
4 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
Great documentation with nice photos, audio
recordings, and a comprehensive write-up.
I observed this bird during my lunch break on 10/31, but wasn't able to
track it down when I returned with my camera later that evening (and I
don't believe it was seen again). |
Mark S. |
4 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent documentation - heard that call from
many "Maggies" on my just-completed trip to Oaxaca, Mexico. |
David
W. |
20 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
My comments are in the record. |
Kevin
W. |
1 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
Several traits in combination show good for
Magnoia Warbler: Black tipped and white tail pattern, yellow belly with
white undertail coverts, lightly streaked breast, wingbars, gray head and
"necklace." |
2023-78 Red
Phalarope
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
19 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
|
Max M. |
21 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Another excellent write-up and supporting
photos. |
Keeli M.. |
16 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent photos! Shorter thicker bill supports
ID. |
Bryant
O. |
20 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent photos and description leave no doubt |
Kris P. |
20 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
I've struggled mightily with this record because
as David notes, the important structural character (the bill) is atypical
in shape and color and not a strong endorsement for the species. The molt
status doesn't help much because this bird hasn't fully attained basic
plumage. But it's possible that's because the molt is suspended during
migration, which is also the reason the subject still shows traces of the
red neck. To the best of my research, Red Phalaropes may suspend their
molts and complete them on their wintering waters while Red-necked are
more likely to complete their molts before migration. That status, along
with what appears to be clean gray back feathers, pushes me to a 50.1%
surety that this bird is a Red Phalarope. |
Mike
S. |
4 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
Nice photos and written documentation. |
Mark S. |
4 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
Photos show a Red Phalarope. |
David
W. |
20 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
My comments are in the record. |
Kevin
W. |
11 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
The photos show distinguishing characteristics
including the thick bill with pale base and plain back. |
2023-79 Tennessee
Warbler
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
19 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
Going off the written description, I m not sure
what else it could be. |
Max M. |
21 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Love these easy records! |
Keeli M.. |
21 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
Photo doesn't give much to go on, but
description supports ID. |
Bryant
O. |
20 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
All the boxes were checked by the description,
photo does show the UTC |
Kris P. |
25 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
I'm accepting based on the written description,
all of which suits a Tennessee Warbler and not an Orange-crowned Warbler.
The bill description eliminates Philadelphia Vireo. I take the photo with
the grain of salt offered since it doesn't show either the reported bright
yellow wash to the breast or the strong contrast between pale under-parts
and white under-tail coverts that both observers saw. |
Mike
S. |
21 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
The excellent written documentation eliminates
similar species. Although the head is obstructed, I do believe the photo
shows features that are consistent with the ID. |
Mark S. |
8 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
Description is good, and the photo, while poor
and incomplete, does show the useful bits to eliminate Orange-crowned. |
David
W. |
20 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
My comments are in the record. |
Kevin
W. |
11 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
The description is good, and covers the expected
points for Tennessee Warbler. The photo is less convincing, but I can be
convinced of the points that the observer makes. |
2023-80 Hepatic
Tanager
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
8 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
A DNA sample might be the only way that this
individual could ve been documented any better. |
Max M. |
12 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
Extremely well documented, long-staying first
state record. Hopefully it sticks around for the CBC! |
Keeli M.. |
21 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
Such a rad bird. Glad it stuck around for awhile
so lots of people could get a chance to see it! |
Bryant
O. |
29 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent photos and good description eliminate
other Tanagers |
Kris P. |
5 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
It's very interesting to me that Carel was
riding her bike and carrying a camera that could take the fine shots she
achieved.
Why hasn't this species shown up in the orchard at Lytle Ranch before now? |
Mike
S. |
21 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
The photos clearly show a Hepatic Tanager. The
contrasting gray face, dark lores, gray flanks that contrast with bright
yellow undertail coverts, and details of bill shape/color, are all
features that rule out a Summer Tanager (especially in combination). Great
record, observed by many, with tons of photos on eBird.
A bit more commentary on this species:
I have often wondered if these are wandering into Utah and going
undetected. Given that there are HETA records from Jacob Lake, Mount
Trumbull, and Black Rock Mountain, AZ, and more recently, from the Virgin
Mountains just south of Mesquite, NV (potential breeding pair), I am
surprised that it has taken this long to get our first Utah record. I am
also quite surprised that our state first is from the Salt Lake area
rather than Washington/Kane/Iron Counties, although this may be (at least
partially) explained by birding coverage. Even so, Michigan had two HETA
records before one was documented here in Utah, and both were from the
sparsely populated Upper Peninsula (plus, there are additional records
from Quebec, Saskatchewan, and Ontario).
I find all of this to be both perplexing and fascinating. |
Mark S. |
8 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent documentation for this long over-due
species for Utah. |
David
W. |
39 Nov 2023 |
Acc |
Good writeup. Almost unbelievably excellent
photo shows all the key field marks to differentiate this bird from other
Piranga "tanagers." |
Kevin
W. |
11 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
Great photos. Great first state record (although
I'd always hoped it would show up in southern Utah first). |
2023-81 Yellow-bellied
Sapsucker
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
8 Dec 2023 |
No, ID |
|
Max M. |
12 Dec 2023 |
No, ID |
No mention of lack of red on nape, other
descriptors don't rule out much more likely RNSA. Very unlikely to have a
pair of these birds together. |
2nd round:
|
2 Jan 2024 |
No, ID |
Seems like we are aligned on this one.
Continuing to reject. |
Keeli M.. |
21 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
Tentative acceptance based on
description of female lacking red on throat, but concerned that observer
missed some other supporting details (like thickness of black border on
throat) that would support ID, and did not describe how they accounted for
possible hybrids as well. Could not access/find the referenced eBird
checklist. |
2nd round:
|
11 Jan 2024 |
No, ID |
Changing my vote here. Given my lack of
experience with these suite of species and the thorough discussion of the
board members, I agree that there's not enough evidence to support ID on
this one. |
Bryant
O. |
3 Dec 2023 |
No, ID |
Each individual should be considered
separately,2 would be exceptional. No discussion ruling out hybrids or
even any good reason for Red-naped. Calls cannot be used to separate them,
much less if they react to them, which seems to be the basis of their ID. |
2nd round:
|
3 Jan 2024 |
No, ID |
Incomplete description of each bird, too much
assumption based on calls and drumming and responding to playback and why
exactly would a pair be together at this date? No discussion of hybrids. |
Kris P. |
5 Dec 2023 |
No, ID |
Virtually no Yellow-bellied field marks are
included in this record
-- Call response is not conclusive in the S. varius complex
-- Female's lack of red on throat is not enough alone
-- Yellow on breast and lighter-sounding drumming are not distinguishing
factors
- No treatment of hybrids
- Expression of certainty (Additional comments) is an opinion and not a
substitute for observing and reporting actual field marks |
2nd round:
|
28 Dec 2023 |
No, ID |
No change in opinion from first round. |
Mike
S. |
27 Dec 2023 |
No, ID |
Unfortunately, there is basically no description
here, and no mention of presence/absence of red on nape, back pattern, or
details of the head pattern. The female "lacking red on throat" is quite
compelling for a YBSA, but more details would be needed to accept this
record. |
2nd round:
|
28 Dec 2023 |
No, ID |
I still don't believe there are enough details
provided to accept this record. |
Dennis
2nd:: |
2 Jan 2024 |
No, ID |
Not a complete enough elimination of RNSA
characteristics. |
Mark S. |
8 Dec 2023 |
No, ID |
I can't see the eBird list, but the evidence
presented here isn't sufficient to eliminate Red-naped Sapsucker. |
2nd round:
|
11 Jan 2024 |
No, ID |
Insufficient evidence. |
David
W. |
27 Dec 2023 |
No, ID |
I was very torn about this record and could be
enticed to change my vote with some convincing argument. I wish there had
been more evidence presented to make a stronger case. There may well have
been at least one YB sapsucker present, but I have some concerns/thoughts.
First, there was a male and female present (an unusual event for sure) but
it is not exactly clear to which bird the field marks were ascribed other
than the throat.
Second, there were almost no field marks noted for the birds other than
saying that they looked like Red-naped sapsuckers (which does not help the
argument).
Third, the responses to calls and quieter drumming are not definitive
distinguishing behaviors.
Fourth: Yellower belly? How much yellower? Was there a Red-naped there for
comparison?
And finally, the truly good field mark presented, which only applies to
the female, is the white throat. This is the one that I am willing to be
convinced on. The only reason I am not entirely convinced is that the
paucity of key field marks in this record makes it hard for me to know
whether this was a hybrid or possibly (due to date) partially immature
(although the latter tend to have pink throats). |
2nd round:
|
28 Dec 2023 |
No, ID |
I remain unconvinced. A strong "Maybe.". (3 Jan
04 - I remain unconvinced.) |
Kevin
W. |
11 Dec 2023 |
No, ID |
I don't think the observer gives enough details
to confirm that he saw two adult Yellow-bellied Sapsuckers, which would be
quite unusual. The lack of red on the throat of the female is interesting,
but I don't think would eliminate a hybrid. No mention is made of back
pattern, or even the napes. |
2nd round:
|
28 Dec 2023 |
No, ID |
Not enough details are provided to eliminate
more probable Red-naped Saspsuckers or hybrid. |
2023-82 Purple Finch
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
8 Dec 2023 |
No, ID |
|
Max M. |
12 Dec 2023 |
No, ID |
Description does not rule out much more likely
CAFI. |
Keeli M.. |
21 Dec 2023 |
No, ID |
CAFI not sufficiently ruled out
to me without photos to support ID. |
Bryant
O. |
3 Dec 2023 |
No, ID |
Nothing really rules out HOFI or CAFI, no
discussion of bill shape, calls or head shape etc. PUFI do have red crowns
like CAFI.PUFI songs very different from HOFI. |
Kris P. |
7 Dec 2023 |
No, ID |
The description is too scant to ID this bird to
species. |
Mike
S. |
27 Dec 2023 |
No, ID |
This is a confusing description,
which I believe describes some features consistent with a male Purple
Finch, but others that are contradictory (such as "no red crown"). Without
a more thorough description of the upper-parts, undertail coverts, etc., I
don't believe Cassin's Finch can be ruled out (and I also wonder about a
brightly-colored House Finch, given how common they are at the reported
location). |
Mark S. |
8 Dec 2023 |
No, ID |
Description doesn't eliminate an extra-bright
House Finch, that are more frequent in southern, more desert areas. A
singing male Purple Finch would be very odd in that location/habitat, and
the threshold for evidence required to accept such a record isn't met
here. |
David
W. |
5 Dec 2023 |
No, ID |
I am not saying that this record is not a Purple
finch. In fact, the evidence presented supports that ID better than it
does for its cogeners. However, I think the description falls just shy of
the finish line for a fairly challenging ID such as this. I could be
convinced otherwise, but I would like a more vigorous, detailed defense in
the Similar Species portion of the report form. |
Kevin
W. |
11 Dec 2023 |
No, ID |
The field marks provided are confusing and don't
follow those of Purple Finch. The observer indicates that it has a rosy
red head, but not the crown like a Cassin's. I would like to have some
description of lack of eye ring, and maybe general shape of the bill - or
photos that show those traits. |
2023-83 Yellow-bellied
Sapsucker
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
12 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
I have a hard time with the red on these
species, but from what I can see, looks good for YBSA. |
2nd round:
|
12 Jan 2024 |
No, ID |
Thanks to Bryant and Mark for thinking more
critically about the molt pattern and timing for this individual. Based on
their evaluations I - like Mr. DW - am changing my vote. |
Keeli M.. |
21 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
Looks and sounds good for a not
quite adult male YBSA. |
2nd round:
|
26 Jan 2024 |
No, ID |
Also appreciated the additional information
provided regarding timing and patterns of molt in this suite of species,
and agree that this bird seems to show signs of hybridization. Changing my
vote to no. |
Bryant
O. |
4 Dec 2023 |
To 2nd |
The main problem with this sapsucker, which is
not an adult, is that it is in an advanced plumage, I would expect a pure
YBSA to still be in mostly juvenile plumage, this one has mostly competed
its 1st formative molt which favors RNSA and may indicate some RNSA genes
involved. It also has a red and white throat like a female RNSA and the
back striping is fairly narrow. Not a slam dunk YBSA, but I want to hear
others thoughts. |
2nd round:
|
3 Jan 2024 |
No, ID |
I suspect this bird is a hybrid as it has an
intermediate molt pattern, fully molted wings and back, incomplete head
and torso. Doesn't appear to be a pure RNSA, but hybrid cannot be ruled
out. |
Kris P. |
5 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
I'm accepting based on a combination of factors
including the extent of juvenal plumage on the date, lack of red nape,
reported black border to throat (not particularly visible in photos) and
extensive pale back spotting. A couple factors the observer noted that
don't support (or refute) the ID include the call match and the yellow
belly. |
2nd round:
|
15 Jan 2024 |
No, ID |
Thanks to all for the compelling analyses. I'm
also changing my vote to 'no' agreeing that this bird is a hybrid. One
issue I'm really hung up on is the observer's statement about the unbroken
black line around the throat that doesn't show in any photo. I deferred to
the observer's word description in the first round and shouldn't have,
because especially Photo E should show it. All the photos show only a
black malar and not the lower border that would enclose the red throat on
the lower edge. Whether it's not present because it's not molted in yet or
it's covered by red due to RNSA features, who knows. But this feature in
addition to juvenal-but-advanced molt in November better support hybrid
than pure. |
Mike
S. |
28 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
Nice photos show a juvenile
Yellow-bellied Sapsucker. |
2nd round:
|
17 Jan 2024 |
No, ID |
I appreciate everyone's comments (especially as
it applies to molt timing/details), and I can see that this bird isn't a
"straightforward" YBSA. I am still not sure this bird is outside of range
of variation for that species, even though its molt is clearly at a more
advanced stage than most hatch-year YBSA would show on this date. I do
agree that the possibility of hybridization cannot be ruled out due to
this "tweener" (to steal Mark's term) molt timing. I still think this bird
may be a YBSA, but there is enough uncertainty that I am willing to change
my vote. |
Dennis S. |
2 Jan 2024 |
Acc |
A very thorough report and good
photos eliminates most questions. |
2nd round:
|
22 Jan 2024 |
No, ID |
I really did wonder about a couple of unclear
traits when voting on the first round. But with the excellent comparison
discussions of molt timing and sequences and hybrid characteristics I'm
changing my vote. |
Mark S.. |
8 Dec 2023 |
No, ID |
This is an intriguing record, that I ran across
while searching for eBird record of submission 2023-81. I was tempted to
report this record as misidentified on eBird, but then saw it was here,
and I'll let my vote speak in this forum, instead of risking the aroused
the passions of my fellow eBird police.
Anyway, we have a fall immature Red-naped/Yellow-bellied Sapsucker.
Normally this date would be late for a Red-naped Sapsucker to retain much
juvenile plumage, but it's farther along in its molt than most
Yellow-bellied should be at this time. So it's something of a "tweener" in
molt timing - a late RNSA, or an early YBSA.
I think the calls are too similar to inspire confidence, even with using
the sonograms - the profiles are almost identical for the "mew" calls.
I also can't place much confidence on the black border to the red throat,
since it's not fully molted. Ditto the lack of a red-nape, that isn't
diagnostic in any event.
The white gular stripe is wide, as I'd expect for a YBSA, but again,
that's not particularly diagnostic.
However, there are two things I see that point more strongly to RNSA for
this bird. One is the back appears to be well divided into two white
areas, as in RNSA. The other is the red on the crown, that appears to be
molting from the front (forehead) towards the back, as does the RNSA. The
red crown comes in more diffused across the entire crown in YBSA.
I have too many doubts about this record to give it a pass, at least in
the first round. |
2nd round:
|
11 Jan 2024 |
No, ID |
As per my first round comments. This might be a
hybrid, but I have a hard time making this into a pure Yellow-bellied. |
David
W. |
28 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
Non-adult plumage in November, thick black
outline to throat, lack of red on nape. |
2nd round:
|
11 Jan 2024 |
No, ID |
The personally aggravating thing is that I noted
the crown molt pattern and misremembered which species molted the red in
the scalp in a progressive front-to-back pattern and which one did so in a
uniform, all at once pattern. So I am changing my vote to align with
Bryant and Mark in believing this bird to be a solid hybrid. I especially
appreciate the systematic treatment of field marks provided by those two. |
Kevin
W. |
28 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
I've gone back and forth on this one, as the
bird doesn't show the traits as strongly as I wish for a non-hybrid, but -
Plumage is mostly juvenile, which in November, would mean some YB,
although it's more advanced that some YB in November.
No red in nape, which isn't definitive, but good.
Somewhat messy pattern on back - this is what I'd like to be more
definitive, as some yellow-bellieds don't show the bars very much, but
some (like this one) do.
The throat pattern is still in coming in, so it's hard to see that the
black surrounds the red and white throat patch.
So, I think all of this is still within regular variation of pure
Yellow-bellied juveniles. I'd appreciate thoughts from others. |
2nd round:
|
17 Jan 2024 |
No, ID |
I concur with others that this bird shows more
traits that may indicate hybridization rather than a pure Yellow-bellied. |
2023-84 Acorn
Woodpecker
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
23 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
Paul had ACWO during this CBC last year but
didn't take photos, document the sighting, or submit a record so I
couldn't include them in the CBC data. I asked him to make sure to at
least submit a record in the future. Looks like he went out of his way to
get some excellent photos this year! Well done Paul! |
Keeli M. |
21 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent photos! |
Bryant
O. |
19 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
(originally misattributed to Mike H.) Great documentation! This species is well known,
albeit somewhat hard to find, in Zion NP. However records away from Zion
are much more erratic. I wish we had some tools to exclude a review
species from a sub-region they are known from, but we still need to track
their populations in other regions.
(12 Jan 2024 - second review)
Good documentation. This species
is well Known from Zion, but its status elsewhere is spotty and
unpredictable. I'd be fine not reviewing ACWO records from Zion, but
elsewhere their status is more questionable. Not sure how to accomplish
that. |
Kris P. |
26 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
I'm glad to see this record. It seems like the
low numbers of this species have declined even further since about 2018.
Perhaps that's associated with the mast cycle and this past year's high
acorn production will help boost the population. |
Mike
S. |
28 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
Nice record, with good photos of
a distinctive species. This would apparently be the highest count total
for this species ever in Utah (at least as far as I can find on eBird). I
am glad that each separate observation is described, which helps to
alleviate concerns about double-counting individuals. |
Mark S. |
11 Jan 2024 |
Acc |
Unmistakable. |
David
W. |
19 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
Unlike some of the trickier records of late,
this one leaves no doubt.
This is truly a unique species. |
Kevin
W. |
28 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
Photos show distinctive Acorn Woodpecker. |
2023-85 Purple Finch
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
23 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
Good photo documentation, write-up and a great
CBC bird! |
Keeli M. |
11 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
Bold body streaks and facial pattern, shorter
bill support ID. |
Bryant
O. |
20 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
Diagnostic photos and description. |
Kris P. |
26 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
28 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
Nice record and a great find for
the CBC. Props to our committee members who contributed to this record. |
Dennis S. |
2 Jan 2024 |
Acc |
Nice documenting photos and all areas of concern
addressed. |
Mark S. |
11 Jan 2024 |
Acc |
Photos help eliminate Cassin's
Finch - distinctness of facial markings, bill shape, and undertail coverts
all support the i.d. |
David
W. |
25 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent find by Taylor and Mike of a fairly
subtle bird.
Eyebrow, unstreaked undertail coverts, breast streaking, etc. |
Kevin
W. |
28 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
Broad, blurry chest streaking, lack of eyering,
bold eyebrow - all good for Purple Finch. |
2023-86 Yellow-breasted
Sapsucker
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
2 Jan 2024 |
Acc |
Good documentation and write-up, nice find by
one of our own! |
Keeli M. |
26 Jan 2024 |
Acc |
Interesting variation. A quick google search
also pulled up a handful of anecdotal observations from the expected range
of YBSA of female YBSAs lacking the red crown. |
Bryant
O. |
27 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
Very solid adult female YBSA. Exceptional record
because most YBSA in Utah are juveniles, and may be the 1st Utah record of
the so called black-crowned morph female. Great find! |
Kris P. |
28 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
What an interesting variant! |
Mike
S. |
28 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
|
Dennis S. |
2 Jan 2024 |
Acc |
Interesting variant. |
Mark S. |
13 Jan 2024 |
Acc |
Very unusual individual, but well-documented. |
David
W. |
28 Dec 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent writeup complete with good photo. |
Kevin
W. |
17 Jan 2024 |
Acc |
Photos seem good for Yellow-bellied Sapsucker.
Very interesting black crown. |
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