2023-01 Red-shouldered
Hawk
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
30 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
|
Max M. |
3 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
|
Keeli M.. |
28 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
Looks like a pretty good immature RSHA to me. |
Bryant
O. |
4 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
Well documented |
Kris P. |
22 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
23 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
20 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
Photo, coupled with the description of the
flying bird eliminate similar species, especially Broad-winged Hawk (that
shouldn't even be in the U.S. this time of year). The pattern of tail
bands and heavily marked underparts only fits Red-shouldered Hawk. |
David
W. |
4 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
I wish the similar species section had been more
thorough, but I think the case has been adequately made. |
Kevin
W. |
25 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
Tail bands, dark streaks on chest, big yellow
cere; looks like a Red-shouldered Hawk to me. |
2023-02 Red-shouldered
Hawk
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
30 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
Good photo. |
Max M. |
6 Feb 2023 |
Acc |
|
Keeli M.. |
28 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
Nice adult RSHA. |
Bryant
O. |
7 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
Nice looking adult |
Kris P. |
22 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
Beautiful bird. |
Mike
S. |
23 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
20 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent documentation and photos. |
David
W. |
10 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
Great photos compliment this convincing record. |
Kevin
W. |
25 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
Great photos showing Red-shouldered Hawk. |
2023-03 Chestnut-collared
Longspur
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
15 Feb 2023 |
Acc |
|
Max M. |
6 Feb 2023 |
Acc |
|
Keeli M.. |
28 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
Glad there are tail pattern photos. |
Bryant
O. |
10 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
|
Kris P. |
23 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
23 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent documentation. |
Mark S. |
20 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent write-up; photos support the i.d. |
David
W. |
7 Feb 2023 |
Acc |
Nice record. |
Kevin
W. |
25 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
I wish I had more experience with this species!
The black pattern on the tail in the photos clenches it for me, but I
think I can see the reddish on the nape as well. |
2023-04 Rusty
Blackbird
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
15 Feb 2023 |
Acc |
The photos do not show the diagnostic field
marks that I usually look for when ID-ing a RUBL. Therefore, I m going off
of the description provided by the observer. The observer seems to cover
the accumulative field Mark S. but not the diagnostic field marks (UTC &
tertials). Will give a soft accept. |
2nd round:
|
14 Mar 2023 |
Acc |
|
Max M. |
6 Feb 2023 |
Acc |
|
2nd round:
|
28 Feb 2023 |
Acc |
Kris P has a good point about the observer
referring to the secondaries rather than the tertials. KP also has a good
point about the timing. I think all things taken together, there is enough
to adequately support Rusty Blackbird. Continuing to accept. |
Keeli M.. |
28 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
Pictures are a little hard to tell from, but
description seems to support ID to me and rule out RWBL and BRBL. |
2nd round:
|
17 Mar 2023 |
Acc |
No change in vote. |
Bryant
O. |
10 Feb 2023 |
Acc |
Photos do show a male basic plumage RUBL |
2nd round:
|
3 Mar 2023 |
Acc |
I also struggled with this one a bit and wished
we had a clear description of the UTC and tertials. Nevertheless I do
think the photos show a male RUBL. BRBL rarely if ever have the high
contrast mask and pale throat seen on this Blackbird, and by this date HY
BRBL should be in near adult plumage with rust restricted to the crown at
most. Also the bill does look thin and slightly decurved to me |
Kris P. |
28 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
I'm voting to accept based on the greater
likelihood that a male Rusty Blackbird would be in Utah and showing this
extent of rust on this date, rather than a Brewer's would still show this
much rust in late December.
I don't understand describing a wing bar similar to a Red-winged
Blackbird's. The observer also misquoted Sibley Western on the critical ID
point between Rusty and Brewer's Blackbirds being rusty-edged secondaries;
it's rusty-edged tertials, and that's an important distinction for this
pair. The observer went on to describe rusty-edged secondaries on the
subject bird, so it's not clear that he was looking at the tertials.
Finally, the quality of the photos doesn't support drawing conclusions on
the bill shape, so it's back to timing and extensive rust making Rusty
Blackbird more likely. |
2nd round:
|
7 Mar 2023 |
Acc |
No change in opinion. |
Mike
S. |
18 Feb 2023 |
To 2nd |
The question here is whether we can rule out a
drab non- breeding male Brewer s Blackbird, which can occasionally look
similar to this bird. The poor photos are not helpful to to rule out that
possibility, in my opinion. However the extent of rustiness described
would seem to lean towards a RUBL. I have enough concerns that I would
like to see some discussion on this record. |
2nd round:
|
19 Mar 2023 |
Acc |
Although I am not completely convinced that the
photos alone are diagnostic, I believe that the photos and description
combined establish the ID as a Rusty Blackbird. I also agree with Kris
that there is greater likelihood of this individual being a RUBL over a
BRBL in late December. |
Mark S. |
20 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
Good description; photos show Rusty Blackbird.
And good to have a trusting SOB . . .
(SOB = "spouse of birder") |
2nd round:
|
21 Feb 2023 |
Acc |
I think the overall rusty color, prominent pale
eyebrow, and obviously pale eye adequately eliminate other possibilities. |
David
W. |
3 Feb 2023 |
Acc |
Yellow eye and the rufous are convincing. |
2nd round:
|
7 Mar 2023 |
Acc |
Nothing to add to what others have said. |
Kevin
W. |
25 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
Although the photos aren't the best quality, the
distinctive face pattern, light eye, and thin bill are noted; I think this
is a Rusty Blackbird. |
2nd round:
|
21 Mar 2023 |
Acc |
I still feel that this is a Rusty Blackbird. |
2023-05 Chestnut-collared
Longspur
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
15 Feb 2023 |
Acc |
Photographed individual is a different bird than
that photographed in 2023-03. |
Max M. |
6 Feb 2023 |
Acc |
Should this record be combined with the Blue
Creek Valley record? Seems like it might be the same bird? |
Keeli M.. |
18 Feb 2023 |
Acc |
|
Bryant
O. |
5 Feb 2023 |
Acc |
Photos conclusive. This is likely the same bird
in my record 2023-03, basically the same location. I also was able to
relocate the CCLO here today(2/5) |
Kris P. |
28 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
The blackish belly Terry described and captured
in multiple photos is very helpful on a naturally non-distinctive bird. I
did the math to calculate three round trips from Springville: 825 |
Mike
S. |
28 Feb 2023 |
Acc |
Nice documentation of a Chestnut-collared
Longspur. I believe this record should be combined with #2023-03, as the
GPS coordinates of the two records show these locations to be almost
exactly the same. |
Mark S. |
5 Feb 2023 |
Acc |
Blackish belly is diagnostic - photos show a
Chestnut-collared Longspur. |
David
W. |
7 Feb 2023 |
Acc |
I think this one may best be handled as a
continuing bird from Bryant's sighting earlier in the month. The bird(s)
is/are continuing though early Feb. |
Kevin
W. |
14 Feb 2023 |
Acc |
The bill shape and color, face pattern, and
especially the black in the belly would indicate Chestnut-collared
Longspur to me. |
2023-06 Red-shouldered
Hawk
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
15 Feb 2023 |
Acc |
Well documented bird. |
Max M. |
13 Feb 2023 |
Acc |
Good documentation, seen by many |
Keeli M.. |
18 Feb 2023 |
Acc |
Nice pic showing hint of checkerboard on the
wings. Good find. |
Bryant
O. |
10 Feb 2023 |
Acc |
Nice juvenile |
Kris P. |
7 Mar 2023 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
28 Feb 2023 |
Acc |
Nice documentation of a juvenile Red-shouldered
Hawk. |
Mark S. |
6 Feb 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent documentation. |
David
W. |
7 Feb 2023 |
Acc |
Nice. Interesting that this species was seen in
nearly the same spot back in Jan 2016. |
Kevin
W. |
14 Feb 2023 |
Acc |
Banded tail, thick yellow cere, streaked bib -
all point to it being Red-shouldered Hawk. |
2023-07 Philadelphia
Vireo
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
13 Feb 2023 |
No, ID |
Not enough detail to eliminate WAVI. No mention
of dark eyeline extending to the base of the bill, and "yellow chest and
belly" doesn't seem adequate to differentiate between a heavily marked
Warbling. No mention of yellow wash on UTC. |
Bryant
O. |
10 Feb 2023 |
No, ID |
No mention of the most important field mark, the
dark eyeline going between the eye and the bill? Fall WAVI can be very
yellow in fresh plumage |
Kris P. |
10 Mar 2023 |
No, ID |
Warbling Vireo was not ruled out. The observer
neither mentioned the Philadelphia's more distinct face pattern due to a
darker crown, dark lores and dark eye-line, nor did he establish correctly
where a Philadelphia would show yellow on the underparts differently than
would a Warbling. Given how similar these two species are, establishing
face pattern and yellow underpart differences are critical. |
Mike
S. |
28 Feb 2023 |
No, ID |
The limited description simply does not provide
enough detail to eliminate a Warbling Vireo. |
Mark S. |
21 Feb 2023 |
No, ID |
Description doesn't eliminate a bright Warbling
Vireo, especially of the eastern ssp. The description of the face actually
fits Warbling better than Philadelphia. |
David
W. |
28 Feb 2023 |
No, ID |
Though it is possible that the observer saw a
Philadelphia vireo, he did not adequately rule out the more likely
Warbling vireo. Specifically:
1) No mention of whether the belly or breast were more intensely yellow.
Both species can have a yellow breast, but the Philadelphia should have a
breast brighter yellow than the belly. In the Overall Pattern section, the
observer mentions a yellow wash on the belly but does not mention the
breast. In the Similar Species section, the observer says, "Warbling Vireo
eliminated via yellow chest and belly." As noted, both species can have
yellow underparts, both breast and belly.
2) No mention of the color of the lores. Although this is not an entirely
reliable field mark, the Philadelphia should, on average, have a darker
loral "wedge".
3) Overall GISS. The observer failed to adequately discuss the overall
shape and appearance of the bird to support his ID. Philadelphia vireos
usually have shorter bills, shorter-tails enhancing a plump look, and
rounder heads. Although some of these field marks were mentioned, they
were not specifically compared to a Warbling vireo. Since the bill and
tail length are relative and subtle comparisons, they ought to be
mentioned relative to the corresponding species to be truly useful. Both
species have short, slightly hooked bills. Both species have relatively
short tails compared to most other similar passerines. Were there other
Warbling or Philadelphia vireos around for a direct comparison? The report
does not say.
To sum up, the observer did not address any of the key field marks which
would lead one to conclude this was anything but a fall Warbling vireo. |
Kevin
W. |
14 Feb 2023 |
No, ID |
Similar Warbling Vireo not eliminated, as the
observer doesn't indicate how the yellow on the chest and belly is
distributed (should be brighter on throat for Philadelphia; on sides for
Warbling). The observer doesn't mention other definitive characteristics
like darker crown and lores, shorter bill of Philadelphia. |
2023-08 Western Gull
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
15 Feb 2023 |
No, ID |
When looking at the photos provided, I do not
see a WEGU. I see 2 LBBG types in the photos for this and 2023-09, but do
not see either species reported. |
Max M. |
13 Feb 2023 |
No, ID |
This looks perfectly fine for a LBBG. Legs,
although dull compared to adult LBBG are well within range for a 3Cy LBBG,
along with "mascara". This individual was reported and photographed by
others with input from the NA Gulls Facebook group, and there is unanimous
consensus that this is a LBBG. |
2nd round:
|
14 Apr 2023 |
No, ID |
Nothing to add |
Keeli M.. |
17 Mar 2023 |
No, ID |
Weird gull, but a vagrant Western is highly
unlikely given the notorious non-mobility of the species. Looks more like
not-quite adult LBBG to me, not withstanding the pink legs. Long-winged
body profile and the almost complete absence of white in the wingtips
rules out WEGU and SBGU. Almost dark bill points to a sub-adult bird which
could account for the pink legs. |
2nd round:
|
22 Apr 2023 |
No, ID |
Nothing to add to previous comments. |
Bryant
O. |
10 Feb 2023 |
No, ID |
Not even sure which gull he's referring to, but
all I see are LBBG in photos with yellow legs. No Western would have a
dirty head like these and have completely different structure |
2nd round:
|
3 Apr 2023 |
No, ID |
Clearly a LBBG. I applaud the observer for
including photos and soliciting opinions online before submitting,
everyone who commented suggested LBBG to the observer, unfortunately he
didn't listen and submitted a record anyway. |
Kris P. |
17 Mar 2023 |
No, ID |
I understand why a dark-backed gull with pink
legs would grab a birder's attention in Utah, but I believe these gulls to
be Lesser Black-backed or possibly even second- or third-generation
hybrids with Herring Gulls. I'm looking for other explanations as to why
they have pink legs when they appear to have Lesser Black-backed
structure. I also think there's a conflict between what the observer
reports and what the photos show. In addition, using the same photo
evidence in this record and in record 2023-09 but with different
descriptive words while claiming a different and even more rare species
there means to me that the observer is guessing and is not in a position
to defend either choice. |
2nd round:
|
27 Mar 2023 |
No, ID |
I have nothing to add given our consensus on
this record. |
Mike
S. |
24 Mar 2023 |
No, ID |
My vote is based on the two birds shown in the
photos attached to this record, plus the individual reported as a Slaty-backed
Gull in the ebird checklist.
I believe that before we can consider these rarities we need to rule out
other, more likely species. These all appear to be (at minimum) 3rd winter
gulls, showing a dark mantle and unmarked underparts. I am curious to see
others thoughts, but in my opinion, Lesser Black-backed has not been
adequately eliminated by the photos or description. The most compelling
case against LBBG is the pink legs, but would hesitate to eliminate a more
expected species based on a single feature (especially with gulls).
There may be additional options that I m not considering (hybrids, etc.),
but either way, I don t believe these birds can be confidently identified
as Western or Slaty-backed Gulls. |
2nd round:
|
29 Mar 2023 |
No, ID |
Agree with others that these appear to be Lesser
Black-backed Gulls rather than the rarities reported. |
Mark S. |
22 Feb 2023 |
No, ID |
This is clearly not a Western Gull (nor Slaty-backed).
The structure is wrong, the bill is too small, and apparently has some
black on it, the streaking on the head is too heavy and too concentrated
around the eye, and the bird seems to be noticeably smaller than an
apparent Herring Gull in the photo.
The only thing "wrong" for this being a Lesser Black-backed Gull is the
(somewhat) pinkish legs. But I reached out to Alvaro Jaramillo, who
responded with this:
"Both of those birds look like Lesser Black-backed Gulls to me. Pink legs
are sometimes retained late into the immature stages in that species.
Streaking patterns, darkness above, structure, black on bill, narrow
tertial crescents.... all look good for Lesser Black-back to me." |
2nd round:
|
25 Mar 2023 |
No, ID |
As per my first round comments - the committee
seems to agree on Lesser Black-backed Gull for these. |
David
W. |
21 Mar 2023 |
No, ID |
First, let me note that I have never had to vote
on a record which was submitted simultaneously as two different species.
It does not speak well of the confidence level of the observer.
Second, for a Western, these birds appear to have a bills which are too
small/thin (going by photos rather than written claims), body shape a bit
too attenuated, and appear to be smaller than the Herring gull next to
them (especially the bird on the right). I do not believe adult Western
gulls usually have that dark smudge around the eye so often seen in winter
Lesser black-backed gulls. |
2nd round:
|
29 Mar 2023 |
No, ID |
Nothing to add to first-round comments. |
Kevin
W. |
14 Feb 2023 |
Acc |
The pink legs and dark mantle seem to eliminate
other similar species, though I'm curious to know what others with more
gull experience say. |
2nd round:
|
27 Mar 2023 |
No, ID |
I appreciate others' input, and especially
identification clues. I agree, looks more like a Lesser Black-backed Gull. |
2023-09 Slaty-backed
Gull
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
15 Feb 2023 |
No, ID |
Structure is wrong for SBGU. Bill and primaries
are indicative of a 3rd cycle LBBG. Pinkish legs (if not an artifact) are
sometimes found in LBBG as well. |
Max M. |
13 Feb 2023 |
No, ID |
Again, Looks fine for a LBBG. Appears that the birds in question for both
2023-08 and 2023-09 were photographed with more detail here (although
labeled as the same bird under WEGU): https://ebird.org/checklist/S128114408. These
photos do a better job showing the leg color. |
2nd round:
|
14 Apr 2023 |
No, ID |
Again seems as we are all on the same page on
these two records. Nothing to add |
Keeli M.. |
17 Mar 2023 |
No, ID |
LBBG has not been adequately ruled out to me.
I'm not convinced this bird actually has pink feet from the photos, and
the messy head pattern concentrated around the eye with the light iris are
markers for both SBGU and LBBG. There's not enough white in the wingtips.
In fact, a LBBG gull was reported the same day at Farmington Bay with much
better photos that looks pretty much to be the same bird. https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/536387921.
Need better pics to back up extraordinary ID claims IMO. |
2nd round:
|
22 Apr 2023 |
No, ID |
Nothing to add to previous comments. |
Bryant
O. |
10 Feb 2023 |
No, ID |
Not even sure which gull is supposedly the Slaty-backed,
but all I see are LBBG with yellow legs. No mentions of size, tertial
crescent, "string of pearl's on the primaries, eye color etc. Clearly
observer knows little of gull ID. |
2nd round:
|
3 Apr 2023 |
No, ID |
Clearly a LBBG. I applaud the observer for
including photos and soliciting opinions online before submitting,
everyone who commented suggested LBBG to the observer, unfortunately he
didn't listen and submitted a record anyway. |
Kris P. |
17 Mar 2023 |
No, ID |
I understand why a dark-backed gull with pink
legs would grab a birder's attention in Utah, but I believe these gulls to
be Lesser Black-backed or possibly even second- or third-generation
hybrids with Herring Gulls. I'm looking for other explanations as to why
they have pink legs when they appear to have Lesser Black-backed
structure. I also think there's a conflict between what the observer
reports and what the photos show. In addition, using the same photo
evidence in this record and in record 2023-08 but with different
descriptive words while claiming a different and even more rare species
here means to me that the observer is guessing and is not in a position to
defend either choice. |
2nd round:
|
27 Mar 2023 |
No, ID |
I have nothing to add given our consensus
on this record. |
Mike
S. |
24 Mar 2023 |
No, ID |
My vote is based on the two birds shown in the
photos attached to this record, plus the individual reported as a Slaty-backed
Gull in the ebird checklist.
I believe that before we can consider these rarities we need to rule out
other, more likely species. These all appear to be (at minimum) 3rd winter
gulls, showing a dark mantle and clean white underparts. I am curious to
see others thoughts, but in my opinion, Lesser Black-backed has not been
adequately eliminated by the photos or description. The most compelling
case against LBBG is the pink legs, but would hesitate to eliminate a more
expected species based on a single feature (especially with gulls).
There may be additional options that I m not considering (hybrids, etc.),
but either way, I don t believe these birds can be confidently identified
as Western or Slaty-backed Gulls. |
2nd round:
|
29 Mar 2023 |
No, ID |
Agree with others that these appear to be Lesser
Black-backed Gulls rather than the rarities reported. |
Mark S. |
22 Feb 2023 |
No, ID |
Perhaps we are overdue for a Slaty-backed Gull
in Utah, but this isn't it.
Paraphrasing my comments from record 2023-08, these birds look like Lesser
Black-backed Gulls:
This is clearly not a Slaty-backed Gull. The structure is wrong, the bill
is too small, and apparently has some black on it, the tertial crescents
are too narrow, streaking on the head is too heavy, and the bird seems to
be noticeably smaller than an apparent Herring Gull in the photo.
The only thing "wrong" for this being a Lesser Black-backed Gull is the
(somewhat) pinkish legs. But I reached out to Alvaro Jaramillo, who
responded with this:
"Both of those birds look like Lesser Black-backed Gulls to me. Pink legs
are sometimes retained late into the immature stages in that species.
Streaking patterns, darkness above, structure, black on bill, narrow
tertial crescents.... all look good for Lesser Black-back to me." |
2nd round:
|
25 Mar 2023 |
No, ID |
As per my first round comments - the committee
seems to agree on Lesser Black-backed Gull for these. |
David
W. |
21 Mar 2023 |
No, ID |
Again, not sure the Committee should be in the
job of acting as a field guide for people unsure of an ID, who are
throwing guesses at a wall to see what sticks. But here goes...
These gulls do not appear to have a bills large enough for a Slaty-backed
gull. The leg color is fairly neutral beige/flesh-tone on the left bird
and outright yellowy on the right bird, neither being the bright pink
color one associates with adult Slaty-backs (albeit, the observer is not
making a claim of this being an adult gull). One should note that Lesser
black-backed gulls sometimes have flesh-colored rather than yellow legs.
Though I am no expert on that species, the white tertial band on the
folded wings seems thin for a Slaty-backed as well.
In general, I am puzzled as to why the observer would leap to the
conclusion that these are such immensely rare gulls (and two!!) rather
than something more common? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary
evidence. But where is that evidence? I would hope to see some diagnostic
photos (or at least descriptions) of the wingtip pattern or broad white
trailing edges in flight. Eye color? No effort to eliminate the
possibility of a hybrid.
On the plus side, I applaud the observer for including photos. |
2nd round:
|
29 Mar 2023 |
No, ID |
Nothing to add to first-round comments. |
Kevin
W. |
21 Mar 2023 |
To, 2nd |
I'm not sure that Western is eliminated; I'd
appreciate others' input on this gull. |
2nd round:
|
27 Mar 2023 |
No, ID |
Again, I appreciate the input of others with
more gull experience. Looks like a Lesser Black-backed. |
2023-10 Winter
Wren
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
28 Feb 2023 |
Acc |
Good
description, photos and audio. Seems to be a few of these around this
year. |
Bryant
O. |
3 Mar 2023 |
Acc |
Audio recording clear and conclusive, photos
consistent with Winter as well. |
Kris P. |
22 Mar 2023 |
Acc |
I think the audio is definitive. I appreciate
Kenny's passing on the ID of the Dec 20 bird given the overlap of color
tones with Pacific Wren. Kudos for the effort to document this individual. |
Mike
S. |
29 Mar 2023 |
Acc |
Nice documentation establishes the ID,
especially the diagnostic audio recordings. |
Mark S. |
3 Mar 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent documentation. Calls distinctive,
photos supportive of the identification. |
David
W. |
31 Mar 2023 |
Acc |
Looks & sounds like the Winter wren.
Spectrograms are a much better match for this species as well. |
Kevin
W. |
21 Mar 2023 |
Acc |
Grayer tones overall and pale throat give this
wren a Winter vibe. The song seems to match as well. |
2023-11 Mexican
Duck
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
14 Apr 2023 |
Acc |
Wish the photos were a bit better but the
description and photos appear to support "Utah" MEDU |
2nd round:
|
1 May 2023 |
Acc |
Nothing to add - continuing to accept. |
Keeli M.. |
22 Apr 2023 |
Acc |
Pictures and description seem to support ID. No
white or curling in the tail, yellow bill with female type plumage, dark
body. |
2nd round:
|
7 May 2023 |
Acc |
No additional comments. |
Bryant
O. |
15 Mar 2023 |
Acc |
No obvious signs of hybrid on this one. |
2nd round:
|
4 May 2023 |
Acc |
Continue to feel this looks good for Mexican,
especially the dark tail and brown rump. |
Kris P. 2nd: |
8 May 2023 |
Acc |
Good enough for a Mexican Duck. I have qualms
about assessing signs of a hybrid given the terse description and media
quality, but still, good enough. |
Mike
S. |
20 Apr 2023 |
Acc |
All the usual caveats apply that we have often
discussed when reviewing records of this species. However, the photos and
video appear to show a Mexican Duck. |
2nd round:
|
3 May 2023 |
Acc |
No change of opinion... |
Mark S. |
14 Mar 2023 |
Acc |
No self-respecting Mexican Duck would be caught
dead in a lake with that much snow and ice!
That being said, none of the signs of a hybrid are visible, and the only
feature we can't see well - the tail curl - is reported by the observer as
not present, or at least not visible. The dark body, dark tail, and clear
bill are all consistent with Mexican Duck - very similar to the ones I saw
just a few days ago. |
2nd round:
|
7 May 2023 |
Acc |
As per my first round comments. |
David
W. |
31 Mar 2023 |
Acc |
Though showing signs of hybridization, probably
"good enough" by our recent standards. |
2nd round:
|
9 May 2023 |
Acc |
No change of opinion... |
Kevin
W. |
21 Mar 2023 |
No, ID |
This may be a Mexican Duck, but the photos are
not sharp enough to detect details in the tail and undertail coverts to
eliminate a hybrid. |
2nd round:
|
2 May 2023 |
Acc |
I can buy it. With the description along
with the photos, I'll reverse my decision. |
2023-12 Brown
Thrasher
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
14 Apr 2023 |
Acc |
Photo looks good for Brown Thrasher, little odd
that they didn't include Sage Thrasher in their similar species section. |
Keeli M.. |
22 Apr 2023 |
Acc |
Pictures seem to support. Very rufous bird. With
that long beak and tail I'm blanking on what else it could be. |
Bryant
O. |
3 Apr 2023 |
Acc |
Photos and description good for BRTH. |
Kris P. |
8 May 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent record; thoroughly documented. Other
submitters would do well to use Melissa and Spencer's example of how to
document a rare bird right. |
Mike
S. |
3 May 2023 |
Acc |
Photos and description establish the ID. |
Mark S. |
3 Apr 2023 |
Acc |
Good documentation; photo clearly shows a Brown
Thrasher. |
David
W. |
5 Apr 2023 |
Acc |
Can't think of anything else this could be. |
Kevin
W. |
2 May 2023 |
Acc |
Photos, although not great, show distinctive
color and shape of Brown Thrasher. |
2023-13 Eastern
Pheobe
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
14 May 2023 |
Acc |
Well documented record. |
Max M. |
1 May 2023 |
Acc |
Good documentation and seen by many. |
Keeli M.. |
22 Apr 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent supporting photos from multiple angles
supporting ID. |
Bryant
O. |
26 Apr 2023 |
Acc |
|
Kris P. |
8 May 2023 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
3 May 2023 |
Acc |
Nice documentation. |
Mark S. |
21 Apr 2023 |
Acc |
Well-documented. |
David
W. |
27 Apr 2023 |
Acc |
Sure looked and continues to look like an
Eastern phoebe to me.
Wonderful photos. |
Kevin
W. |
2 May 2023 |
Acc |
Great photos show distinct features of Eastern
Phoebe. |
2023-14 Yellow-throated
Vireo
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
14 May 2023 |
Acc |
Photo shows a Yellow-throated Vireo. |
Max M. |
1 May 2023 |
Acc |
Good bird! Nice photos |
Keeli M.. |
7 May 2023 |
Acc |
I think photos are pretty definitive here. Fun
bird! |
Bryant
O. |
4 May 2023 |
Acc |
Photos clearly show a YTVI. I went and looked
for this bird a week later, odd habitat for a migrant, high elevation
mixed conifer forest with snow nearby, but this guys has feeders with
hundreds of birds on them, especially finches, so the vireo must have came
in to see what all the fuss was about then split. I did not find it nor
did multiple parties of the Red Cliffs Bird Festival a couple days before
me. Observer was attending that festival and showed his photos to one of
my volunteers who then sent them to me and I asked him to submit a record. |
Kris P. |
8 May 2023 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
3 May 2023 |
Acc |
I heard about this observation from an attendee
of the Red Cliffs Bird Fest and was initially skeptical. However, it's
difficult to argue with these photos. Nice record. |
Mark S. |
30 Apr 2023 |
Acc |
Photos clearly show Yellow-throated Vireo. |
David
W. |
2 May 2023 |
Acc |
Very nice record with convincing photos. |
Kevin
W. |
2 May 2023 |
Acc |
Good photos show Yellow-throated Vireo. It seems
that most records of this species in Utah are fall records, so it is
significant that this one is found in April. |
2023-15 Mexican
Duck
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
9 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
|
2nd round:
|
16 Jul 2023 |
No, ID |
Agree that there are too many details pointing
towards hybrid. |
Max M. |
23 May 2023 |
To 2nd |
I do not believe this is the same bird that was
at Powell Lake last fall (which we accepted), and there doesn't seem to be
any curl in the tail but it appears somewhat light and contrasts with the
rump. Maybe a bit more Mallard influence? I struggle with some of these
MEDU records, would like to hear more from others. |
2nd round:
|
13 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
I defer to the rest of the committee on this
one, changing my vote to accept. |
Keeli M.. |
7 May 2023 |
To 2nd |
Tail does seem to have some white in it, which
could be hybrid trait, could be worn out feathers, could be an artifact of
light reflection. Overall ID seems supportive of Mexican Duck. Not sure
where we want to draw the line on these since, as we've previously
discussed, there is likely some degree of hybridization occurring in many
of these. |
2nd round:
|
10 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
Continuing to accept. Agree that this individual
exhibits what would seem to me to be mostly Mexican Duck traits, and I
don't think there's a strong argument for a clear hybrid here. |
Bryant
O. |
6 May 2023 |
No, ID |
I'm seeing some signs of Mallard genes, tail
looks very white and rump very dark. |
2nd round:
|
14 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
I still think we need a better method to review
Mexican Ducks rather than saying "this one seems similar to others we have
accepted". I agree the tail looks pale due to wear rather than being
actual white, but the rump looks rather dark. See
https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/567126831
Clearly it does have some Mallard genes, however probably an F2 or F3?
But until we get a better method I'll agree this duck is probably good
enough to pass as a mostly Mexican, but I don't feel good about it. |
Kris P. |
12 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
|
2nd round:
|
16 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
The first round vote diversity surprised me
because I think this bird is a strong candidate for a Mexican Duck. The
question seems to boil down to the amount of white in the tail. Not having
experience with Mexican Ducks in Mexico, I reviewed many images deep into
Mexico that show Mexican Ducks with retrices as pale or paler than the
subject bird. I also believe the harsh overhead lighting may have washed
out those feathers making them appear paler than they are. I don't think
the tail (or any other feature) shows Mallard gene introgression and am
good with accepting this record again. |
Mike
S. |
6 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Photos appear to show a Mexican Duck. The tail
is a bit paler than most, but I believe this may be attributed to wear.
The upper-tail coverts appear a bit dark (are we seeing a shadow in photos
C/C1 or dark feathers?). Either way, I think we have already established a
precedent of accepting individuals that are not *perfectly* phenotypically
pure, and I don't believe this individual significantly differs from
others this committee has accepted. |
2nd round:
|
30 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Continuing to accept, although I understand the
reluctance expressed by some. Clearly there is a spectrum of traits
expressed by these Mexican/Mallard-type ducks (particularly this far
north), which range from "clear hybrid" to "fairly typical Mexican Duck."
Where one draws the line seems largely subjective, and I have heard a
range of opinions from those I respect.
Since this individual clearly shows traits that are much more on the
Mexican Duck side of that spectrum, I am comfortable accepting as that
species. Mark's firsthand experience from Mexico is always helpful. |
Mark S. |
7 May 2023 |
Acc |
No obvious signs of hybrid - the small amount of
white in the tail is consistent with Mexican Duck outside of the hybrid
zone in Mexico. |
2nd round:
|
16 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Given that there are unlikely to be *any* "pure"
Mexican Ducks in Utah, and keeping in mind precedent set by this committee
on this species, I fail to see any features here that would rule out a
"pure" Mexican Duck. The slightly pale tail feathers are well within range
of variation in presumably pure Mexican Duck in Mexico, and not pale
enough for a typical Mallard. There is no sign of any tail curl. I think
the "apparent" darkness of the upper tail coverts (is this even a reliable
field mark?) is shadow, and not actual color.
This individual looks typical of many I see in Mexico, and shows fewer
signs of being a hybrid than other records accepted by the committee. |
David
W. |
17 May 2023 |
Acc |
This one has a lot of Mallard genes in it. It
appears from the photos to be the same individual as was submitted to the
Records Committee last fall as record 2022-63 Mexican Duck. It was
accepted in the first round. The record should probably reflect that. |
2nd round:
|
29 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Although I do think this one has more Mallard
genes in it than some others we've considered in recent years, I will
defer to our resident neo-Mexican Committee member's experience and Kris'
research prowess. |
Kevin
W. |
30 May 2023 |
Acc |
Seems like a good record. The observer indicates
that it may be a hybrid due to the amount of lighter feathers on the
undertail coverts, but I'm not sure that there would be enough to rule out
a pure(ish) Mexican, as there are several online photos of Mexican Ducks
with as much light as this individual. |
2nd round:
|
17 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
No additional comments. |
2023-16 Ruddy
Turnstone
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
9 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Still confused as why this is on the review
list, but clear to see this annual visitor was observed once again from
the Causeway. |
Max M. |
23 May 2023 |
Acc |
Up to 4 this spring on the causeway. Good
numbers |
Keeli M.. |
25 May 2023 |
Acc |
Good photos and documentation. |
Bryant
O. |
16 May 2023 |
Acc |
When I proposed Ruddy Turnstone (and several
other species) be added to the review list, it was under the premise that
a new bylaw would also be adopted
1)If a species is uncommon in one very specific sub-region of the state
but extremely rare everywhere else, review may be warranted. As in
Zone-tailed Hawk: Uncommon and local in Washington county, but very rare
anywhere else.
The committee rejected that bylaw proposal, however accepted that Ruddy
Turnstone be reviewed, which really didn't make much sense to me since the
entire list of species I proposed was based on the adoption of said bylaw,
reject all or none, but instead it went piecemeal? But that's how the
votes went down
Ruddy Turnstones are probably annual in spring migration on Antelope
Island Causeway (AIC), but are extremely rare anywhere else, and even on
AIC in fall, although probably expected at other sites at Great Salt Lake
where large numbers of shorebirds (especially Black-bellied Plovers)
gather in spring. Their pattern of occurrence on AIC is well enough
established to probably warrant exclusion of review at that one location.
However, since they are a distinctive species not easily confused with
another species, review may not be warranted under the current bylaws
since we can't exclude a sub-region of the state and only look at records
in the state as a whole. We may need to take another look at the review
list and bylaws to make them more consistent with each other. |
Kris P. |
15 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
16 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Nice documentation establishes the ID. |
Mark S. |
16 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent documentation; photos show a Ruddy
Turnstone. |
David
W. |
16 May 2023 |
Acc |
Nice, complete record. |
Kevin
W. |
30 May 2023 |
Acc |
Photos show diagnostic pattern of Ruddy
Turnstone. |
2023-17 Baltimore
Oriole
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
9 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Photo clearly shows a Baltimore Oriole. |
Max M. |
23 May 2023 |
Acc |
Nice photo comparison with BUOR and WETA |
Keeli M.. |
25 May 2023 |
Acc |
Unmistakable in photos. Cool feeder bird. |
Bryant
O. |
17 May 2023 |
Acc |
Wow, nice looking bird! |
Kris P. |
15 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
I'm voting to accept after sussing out the
possibility of a Bullock's x Baltimore hybrid with this bird, which the
observer didn't address and may not know is a possibility. The very
irregular lower border of the black hood concerned me until I reviewed
many images of adult males from an area far from the hybrid zone
(Maryland) that also showed significant variation to the lower hood
border. I can't see any other orange intrusion into the hood and the
remaining Baltimore characters appear strong. Also, I think the bonus
orange bar above the usual orange wing-bar is a matter of posture, which
also appears in many images of adult male Baltimores far from the hybrid
zone. |
Mike
S. |
16 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Nice photos show a male Baltimore Oriole. Cool
side-by-side with the male BUOR and WETA. |
Mark S. |
16 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Non-existent written documentation (other than
sighting data), but the photos clearly show a Baltimore Oriole, with no
obvious signs of hybridization. |
David
W. |
16 May 2023 |
Acc |
Photo says it all. Literally. |
Kevin
W. |
30 May 2023 |
Acc |
Very good photos. I appreciate that this is an
adult male rather with distinctive field marks! |
2023-18 Eastern
Phoebe
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
9 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Well documented rarity, Observed by many. |
Max M. |
23 May 2023 |
Acc |
|
Keeli M.. |
25 May 2023 |
Acc |
Good photos, lack of eye ring and wing bars
rules out a bunch of species. Description of behavior is supportive as
well. |
Bryant
O. |
19 May 2023 |
Acc |
excellent photos and field notes |
Kris P. |
15 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
An excellent record on all counts. |
Mike
S. |
16 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Good photos back up the great written
documentation. |
Mark S. |
16 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent documentation; photos show an Eastern
Phoebe. |
David
W. |
17 May 2023 |
Acc |
Despite a rambling writeup, the photos are
convincing. |
Kevin
W. |
30 May 2023 |
Acc |
eBird photos are diagnostic. |
2023-19 Wood
Thrush
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
21 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
A very unique bird when compared with our more
likely thrush species. The Report, combined with the previous experience,
leaves little doubt of the species. |
Max M. |
23 May 2023 |
Acc |
With all of the beautiful photos Mark presented
during his keynote speech at the bird festival - I would have expected to
have a 5 star photo to go along with this record. . . Wish it would have
stuck around! |
Keeli M.. |
25 May 2023 |
Acc |
Unfortunate you didn't get photos, but given the
observers' wealth of experience, the bird's noted response to callback,
and description of the bird, I am inclined to accept. |
Bryant
O. |
19 May 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent field notes leave little doubt. |
Kris P. |
15 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
I nearly voted not to accept this record out of
bitterness from never having logged a Wood Thrush as a yard bird. But I
set that thought aside given that all the reported details are consistent
with multiple references, including the very fine description of the cheek
pattern as "pointillistic". It was truly the first observer's lucky day to
run off to fetch the second and find the bird still present for another
audience and more detail-gathering. |
Mike
S. |
16 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent written documentation. It would be
nice to have a photo or audio recording for such a rarity. However, the
bird was apparently seen well by experienced observers, and this is a
relatively distinctive species. |
Mark S. |
16 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
I also heard and had a brief view of the flying
bird. The song given was clearly a Wood Thrush, a sound I am know very
well from my youth, and reinforced just the past few weeks by a trip back
east where I heard many. From the audible alone it was unmistakable, but
the brief flight view, of a bird of small thrush shape, short tail,
completely rusty upperparts and white underparts, confirmed the audible
identification.
David's excellent write-up adds important details of his sighting that I
didn't have. |
David
W. |
17 May 2023 |
Acc |
If Mark put it on his list, it must be true. |
Kevin
W. |
30 May 2023 |
Acc |
I believe that the observer's description
eliminates other possibilities, especially noting the bright rust color
and the black spots. |
2023-20 Tennessee
Warbler
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
7 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
|
Keeli M.. |
22 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Song recording and description of observation
supportive of ID to me. |
Bryant
O. |
22 May 2023 |
Acc |
Song matches, description seems mostly good
although I'm a bit confused by the term "olive gray back"? Isn't that
brown? But overall seems good for Tennessee. |
Kris P. |
18 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
I have two concerns about this record despite
the fact that I accept it:
-I wish the observer had eliminated the Philadelphia Vireo by appearance.
-It's curious that the two song sequences are jammed together. I don't
think that's from editing, and it seems atypical singing behavior based on
the many recordings I reviewed. |
Mike
S. |
21 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Diagnostic audio recording. |
Mark S. |
19 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Recording is of a Tennessee Warbler, and written
description of the bird fits that species as well. |
David
W. |
22 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
That's a nice recording. |
Kevin
W. |
19 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Description is adequate, eliminating similar
Orange-crowned Warbler, and the recorded song is a match for Tennessee
Warbler. |
2023-21 Winter Wren
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
7 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
|
Keeli M.. |
22 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Tricky ID for me, but description and photos
seem supportive. |
Bryant
O. |
25 May 2023 |
Acc |
Soft accept. I always like an audio recording
for this species, but that is a very pale throated Wren |
Kris P. |
18 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
This bird seems pale and patterned enough while
lacking rich rufous and cinnamon tones to be safely in the range for a
Winter Wren. |
Mike
S. |
23 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Photos and detailed description contained within
the first sight record establish the ID (David and Lauri's observation).
I am not sure that we need to include a link to the secondary sight record
(#2021-21a). While this may have been the same bird, there are no details
included that would give us any indication that they also saw a Winter
Wren. |
Mark S. |
19 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Good documentation - description of the calls
fits Winter Wren better than Pacific, and the photos show an individual
that appears outside of the range of variation for Pacific Wren, and
solidly in the "only Winter Wren" range for general paleness. |
David
W. |
23 May 2023 |
Acc |
Well documented with fine photos. [ahem] |
Kevin
W. |
19 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
The photos look more rufous than I think Winter
Wrens would be, but the lighter throat and barred undersides make me think
that a Winter Wren is a better fit. |
2023-22 Zone-tailed
Hawk
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Max M. |
7 Jun 2023 |
No, ID |
I do not believe the observer
adequately rules out Turkey Vultures. |
Keeli M.. |
22 Jun 2023 |
No, ID |
Not strong enough description to support
positive ID to me nor to rule out similar species. |
Bryant
O. |
25 May 2023 |
No, ID |
If observer states "This is not a positive ID",
then how can we be? Failed to consider common dark morph buteos like
Red-tailed (which can be very dark below) as well as Golden Eagle. |
Kris P. |
18 Jun 2023 |
No, ID |
Not enough detail in support of the ID, and the
record doesn't rule out other possible species. |
Mike
S. |
21 Jun 2023 |
No, ID |
The observer may have seen a Zone-tailed Hawk,
and this species is known to occur at nearby locations. However, the
write-up is not very detailed, and the observer admits that he is not
positive about the ID (and I appreciate his honesty). Based on what is
written, I don't believe we can rule out other, more common species. In
addition, the date is also a bit earlier than other springtime ZTHA
records in Washington County. |
Mark S. |
19 Jun 2023 |
No, ID |
There are several points in the description that
cause me to question this i.d. - including the flat wings, the "big head,"
and the fact that two apparent immature birds were soaring together. I
can't see how Golden Eagle is eliminated, that fits these aspects of the
description better. Several other possibilities, such as dark Swainson's
or Red-tailed Hawks aren't adequately eliminated, either.
Although Zone-tailed Hawk is not unlikely in this location, I don't think
this description sufficiently establishes the i.d. |
David
W. |
23 May 2023 |
No, ID |
This record seems a bit sparse on details for me
to be certain of the ID. Without a mention of wing shape, I don't think
the possibility of a dark morph buteo has been fully eliminated. Also, if
the flat wings eliminate turkey vultures, then they might well equally
exclude Zone-tailed hawks since both have similar flight postures
(sometimes flat-winged, sometimes holding them in a dihedral).
Furthermore, sometimes Turkey vultures can crane their heads to look
bigger-headed than one might expect. Finally, early April seems a bit
early for flying juveniles, though maybe that's just my northern Utah
bias.
So, in summation, maybe it was a Zone-tailed. There's nothing in the
record that definitively excludes that possibility and they are certainly
found in that part of the world. But maybe is not a yes. |
Kevin
W. |
19 Jun 2023 |
No, ID |
While the location makes this observation
plausible, the description of the tail having "no noticeable markings" and
the size of the head being the only differential feature from a Turkey
Vulture makes me question the sighting. |
2023-23 Chestnut-sided
Warbler
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
9 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Good photo of a CSWA. |
Max M. |
7 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
|
Keeli M.. |
25 May 2023 |
Acc |
A bird in the hand and all that...
Nice catch. Rio Mesa gets some awesome birds every year. |
Bryant
O. |
25 May 2023 |
Acc |
Nice pics! |
Kris P. |
18 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
21 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Hard to argue with good photos of a bird in
hand. |
Mark S. |
19 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
No doubts about this one! |
David
W. |
23 May 2023 |
Acc |
To merge two idioms, a bird in the hand is worth
a thousand words. |
Kevin
W. |
19 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent photos show distinct field marks. |
2023-24 Yellow-throated
Vireo
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. 2nd: |
|
|
|
2nd round:
|
16 Jul 2023 |
No, ID |
|
Max M. |
7 Jun 2023 |
No, ID |
YTVI and solitary vireos are
very difficult to ID by sound, and without actually seeing the bird and
the quality of the recording I am not sure if we can rule out other vireo
species. It has been a long time since I have heard these birds sing, I
would like to know what others think. |
2nd round:
|
13 Jul 2023 |
No, ID |
Seems like we are all on the same page. |
Keeli M.. |
22 Jun 2023 |
No, ID |
Audio recording does not
convince me it's not a PLVI. Without photos, I don't think the evidence of
one audio recording is compelling enough to rule out PLVI. |
2nd round:
|
10 Jul 2023 |
No, ID |
Still a no vote for the reasons everyone has
stated - Can't rule out PLVI or CAVI based on call alone. |
Bryant
O. |
25 May 2023 |
To 2nd |
Without a look at the vireo, I have a hard time
swallowing this one. The songs of this species are so similar to PLVI that
I can't confidently tell them apart, and observer failed to even consider
Cassin's Vireo which is a common migrant there. Exactly how is the song
different from a PLVI or CAVI? Personally I will not confidently call a
CAVI from PLVI audibly, there are minor differences but so much overlap
that I always want to confirm visually during migration. To my ear YTVI
sounds so close to these that I would never call one audibly, but I'd like
to hear from others with more experience with telling BHVI from YTVI back
east. |
2nd round:
|
30 Jun 2023 |
No, ID |
I originally had a no vote, but gave the observe
the benefit of my lack of experience with this species. So I sent to 2nd
to hear others thoughts. It seems everyone had the same reservation I had,
unconvinced this was not a more likely PLVI/CAVI. |
Kris P. |
20 Jun 2023 |
No, ID |
Given that the Yellow-throated and
Solitary-complex vireos may learn and sing each other's songs, it's
imperative that observers actually see a suspected Yellow-throated singing
because it's so far out of range in Utah. In addition, the audio file is
too brief and faint to draw any meaningful conclusions. |
2nd round:
|
1 Jul 2023 |
No, ID |
I think this party strove to capture the
evidence to support their conclusion, but without a visual, the results
support only the genus of multiple vireos. I would not have accepted it
even with a high-quality audio file due to reasons all of us gave in the
first round. This one should have been left unidentified in the field. We
all hate doing that and have a list of the unsubstantiated sightings/audibles
that will haunt us for the rest of our lives, but allow for it, we must. |
Mike
S. |
26 Jun 2023 |
No, ID |
After listening to this recording several times,
I don't believe a (much more likely) Plumbeous Vireo can be ruled out. The
subtle song differences described in the write-up can likely be attributed
to normal PLVI variation. |
2nd round:
|
30 Jun 2023 |
No, ID |
Looks like we are all on the same page. As noted
by others, these vireo songs are very similar, and I still don't believe
that a PLVI or possibly CAVI can be ruled out based on the recording. |
Mark S. |
19 Jun 2023 |
No, ID |
This is a soft "no" vote, as the call in the
recording *could* be a YTVI, but it's too short for me to conclude that
it's not a "Solitary" vireo species, the songs of all three of those
species being similar to YTVI.
This may have been a Yellow-throated Vireo, but I don't think the evidence
is sufficient to establish that. |
2nd round:
|
10 Jul 2023 |
No, ID |
Not enough clear evidence to accept this one. |
David
W. |
13 Jun 2023 |
No, ID |
As the (non-African) saying
goes, If you hear hoof beats, think horses, not zebras. To my ears, this
sounds well within the range of the Plumbeous vireo repertoire, and the
spectrogram looks a whole lot (if more blurred) like one of the top
Plumbeous vireo spectrograms on eBird. Going to need a bit more on this
one before I vote to accept. |
2nd round:
|
29 Jun 2023 |
No, ID |
Nothing to add. |
Kevin
W. |
19 Jun 2023 |
No, ID |
There was no observation, and the call that the
observation is based off is only described as being closer to a
Yellow-throated than a Plumbeous. To me, the recorded call sounds like a
Plumbeous. |
2nd round:
|
17 Jul 2023 |
No, ID |
I still think there's to little evidence here to
accept as a Yellow-throated Vireo. |
2023-25 Scissor-tailed
Flycatcher
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
11 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Good documentation of a potentially significant
record. |
Max M. |
26 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Great documentation, it appears these birds are
expanding their range, it would be great to further document the nesting
success of this pair. |
Keeli M.. |
10 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Wild! Great photos. |
Bryant
O. |
10 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Nice record with great
documentation. I hope someone is able to check up on the nest and see if
successful. |
Kris P. |
20 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
30 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Remarkable nesting record with diagnostic
photos. Makes me wonder what else is nesting in this state and going
undetected. |
Mark S. |
22 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent documentation. |
David
W. |
11 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
No doubt on this one. (27Jun - Great photos.
Unfortunate that this nest apparently was taken over by kingbirds). |
Kevin
W. |
19 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Cool first documentation of breeding
Scissor-tailed Flycatchers in Utah! |
2023-26 Red-headed
Woodpecker
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
66 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
Seen by nearly every birder in the State (except
for me). |
Max M. |
26 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Seen by many. There was concern that this bird
was being pushed around by photographers, but I was there for a good hour
+ with KRPU and this bird was constantly on the move regardless of how
close people were (with the exception of its favorite spot where it
finally settled down for a few minutes towards the end of my visit). |
Keeli M.. |
22 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Great photos to support ID. |
Bryant
O. |
15 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Seen by many including myself,
beautiful bird! |
Kris P. |
20 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
30 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Another great record of a distinctive species. |
Mark S. |
22 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Another easy one . . . |
David
W. |
15 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Photos irrefutable. |
Kevin
W. |
19 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Photos show distinctive red head. |
2023-27 Wood Thrush
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
16 Jul 2023 |
No, ID |
I don t feel there is enough detail in this
report to rule out other species. |
2nd round:
|
1 Aug 2023 |
No, ID |
It seems as though others have the
same concerns as me and with even more details it only strengthens my
thoughts. |
Max M. |
26 Jun 2023 |
No, ID |
I could be swayed otherwise, but I don't think
there is necessarily enough here to rule out Swainson's Thrush which seems
much more likely. |
2nd round:
|
18 Jul 2023 |
No, ID |
I was unaware that the bird was originally ID'd as a Hermit Thrush and
later changed, which further adds to my skepticism. Continuing to vote no. |
Keeli M.. |
10 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
Hard to decide without photos or recordings, but
I think the observer makes a good case for WOTH ID. |
2nd round:
|
28 Jul 2023 |
No, ID |
Given the additional details, I agree with the concerns raised by the rest
of the board. |
Bryant
O. |
17 Jun 2023 |
No, ID |
Thanks for separating this
record Milt. There are circumstance of this record that were left out of
the written record that cast considerable doubt in my mind. I read the
original report on eBird, and this bird was initially identified as a
Hermit Thrush, but after the observer saw Mark and David's report of a
Wood Thrush, a week after the fact, he went back and changed his ID to
Wood Thrush. He took no notes at the time, no photos or recordings, but
changed his ID from memory a week later. See
https://ebird.org/checklist/S136988219
We all know the frailty of human memory, add to that the influence of
wishful thinking and power of suggestion, plus considering the time frame
between initial sighting and change of ID, this record does not meet the
criteria for a scientifically valid sight record. If you see a bird that
does not look like a typical individual of the expected species, that
should peak your interest and cause one to examine further and take
careful notes and get documentation to investigate, rather than just write
it off as an expected bird and then change your mind a week later when
someone reports a rarity. Given the extreme rarity of this species, and
the unlikelihood that 2 would be seen in the same county within a week,
typically years or decades go between sightings of this species in Utah,
this record do meet my level of expectation for documentation of this
species in Utah. |
2nd round:
|
31 Jul 2023 |
No, ID |
None of the yes vote comments were strong enough to alleviate my concerns
about the circumstances of this record. |
Kris P. |
23 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
I'm voting to accept while feeling mildly
unsettled about this sighting. I think logging an accidental species in
the state that also happens to be your lifer would come with more
documentary "oomph". There's a certain je ne sais quoi about this record
that's lacking. I understand the observer originally ID'd this bird as a
Hermit Thrush (his words; eBird checklist) and later changed it. I
wondered if he was influenced to consider Wood Thrush after the report of
the Sugarhouse bird around the same time. But barely adequate is the same
as adequate, so I'm voting to accept while maintaining an open mind if
this goes to a second round. |
2nd round:
|
31 Jul 2023 |
No, ID |
I'm changing my vote to No, ID, in
deference to the sound reasoning supporting votes already cast. A record
of such a rare species in Utah needs to have stronger documentation and
less questionable circumstances to become part of the state's database of
rare birds. |
Mike
S. |
7 Jul 2023 |
No, ID |
This record is lacking in detail, and the
description is somewhat ambiguous. There is no mention of Brown Thrasher
in the similar species section, and no description of the tail length or
bill shape, so I don't believe that species can be ruled out.
Although mentioned, I also wish there were additional details on the
whiteness of underparts, extent of spotting, and specifics about the
"bold" facial pattern, to help us rule out Catharus thrushes. |
2nd round:
|
25 Jul 2023 |
No, ID |
No change of opinion. Additional
reasons for skepticism are noted by others. |
Mark S. |
22 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Description adequately eliminates similar
species. |
2nd round:
|
23 Jul 2023 |
No, ID |
Given the background on this sighting reported by Bryant, enough doubts
are raised that the threshold of evidence for such a rare sighting has not
been met. |
David
W. |
27 Jun 2023 |
To 2nd |
I'm torn about this record. I wish I could
interview the observer to get some more details. Reading it made me
realize ways I could have improved my own submission for this species. One
always tends to assume some things as given when submitting these records.
I wish the submission was more descriptive regarding the face, which was
repeatedly referred to as "bold" (what does that mean?). Also bill shape &
size, tail length, eye color. I am not initially convinced that the
possibility of a Brown thrasher was eliminated (though hinted at with the
shape being "classic thrush"). I'm on the fence on this, like a thrasher
or thrush. |
2nd round:
|
25 Jul 2023 |
No, ID |
I've not seen anything in the rest of the Committee members comments to
allay my doubts. |
Kevin
W. |
19 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
The rusty-brown color on the head and back, as
well as the boldly patterned face eliminate other possibilities. |
2nd round:
|
17 Jul 2023 |
No, ID |
Finding that the observer first identified and entered the bird as a
Hermit in eBird, and then later ruled it out raises my suspicions. I think
I'd like more details to be sure of the id. |
2023-28 Ovenbird
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
16 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
|
Max M. |
26 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Good recording of an audibly distinctive
species. |
Keeli M.. |
10 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
Call recording sounds pretty spot on to me for
an Ovenbird. |
Bryant
O. |
18 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Distinctive song and good
documentation. Those bags know how to hide! |
Kris P. |
23 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
20 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
Two good audio recordings are accompanied by
excellent written documentation. |
Mark S. |
22 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Recordings are clearly of an Ovenbird. |
David
W. |
29 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Looks, I mean sounds, good to me.
Sonogram on Kris's eBird report looks correct for this species too. |
Kevin
W. |
19 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
The call sounds like the distinctive call of the
ovenbird. |
2023-29 Ovenbird
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
16 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
|
Max M. |
13 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
Good documentation, seen by many. |
Keeli M.. |
10 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
Good diagnostic photos. |
Bryant
O. |
27 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
|
Kris P. |
29 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
20 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
Another great Ovenbird record. Nice job getting
a couple of photos to accompany the audio recording. |
Mark S. |
28 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Good documentation. |
David
W. |
27 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Seen by many, photographed by few. Nice writeup. |
Kevin
W. |
17 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
Photos clearly show an Ovenbird. |
2023-30 Lark
Bunting
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H.
2nd: |
1 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
I wrestled with my thoughts on this record for
longer than I should have. I do believe the bird in the photo is a Lark
Bunting, but I still had my reservations. I do agree that the additional
observer has helped in my decision. |
Max M. |
18 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
While the photo quality is poor, I think there
is enough here to accept. Not sure what else this bird could be. |
2nd round:
|
9
Aug 2023 |
Acc |
II still think there is enough in the photo to
rule out other species. |
Keeli M.. |
10 Jul 2023 |
No, ID |
I don't believe there's enough detail in the
photos to definitively call this a LARB and to rule out other species. |
2nd round:
|
20 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Still don't love the photos, but others comments
have convinced me there's enough there to support ID and not sure what
else it could be. |
Bryant
O. |
7 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
Despite poor written record lacked considering
House Sparrow, photos do seem to be a Lark Bunting |
2nd round:
|
21
Aug 2023 |
Acc |
I wish there were better photos and a better
write up, but never the less I can't make this bird into anything but a
weird plumage Lark Bunting |
Kris P. |
13 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
Points in favor of this record include photo
evidence and a sighting by an additional birder. |
2nd round:
|
7
Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Immature male Lark Bunting jizz features and
field marks show strongly enough in the photos for me to believe the ID
and not in a similar species, particularly a Fox Sparrow. The second
birder's corroboration is important, but less so, and the descriptive
words not backed up by a photo view are least important in my assessment.
I needed to see this one well enough in the physical evidence to agree,
and I do. |
Mike
S. |
26 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
I believe the poor photos appear to show a
female Lark Bunting. I am not confident based on photos A & B (thought Fox
Sparrow was a possibility). However, photos D/D1 appear to show the broad
white edges on the greater coverts, which would seem to rule out Fox
Sparrow and other similar species. The dark streaking on the sides and
head pattern in the profile view also appear to be consistent with LARB.
I wish we had better quality/unobstructed photos. However, as presented, I
think there is just enough here to establish the ID as a Lark Bunting. |
2nd round:
|
4 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Nothing more to add. |
Mark S. |
8 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
This is a very soft vote to accept.
The photos are unclear, but don't contradict the written description, and
I'm inclined to see a Lark Bunting here. My biggest concern would be in
having a male at this stage of molt this late in the year - they should be
completely or almost completely in alternative plumage by May 15.
However, I'm having trouble coming up with a plausible (or at least
better) identification for these photos. |
2nd round:
|
8 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
Despite problems, and the poor photo quality,
I'm still having trouble making this anything different. |
David
W. |
30 Jun 2023 |
Acc |
Photos, albeit not the stuff of Pulitzers, and
the write-up appear good for a Lark bunting. |
2nd round:
|
3 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Black malars, white wing edging, black spot on
breast, paler (silvery) lower mandible. Looks like a lark bunting to me. |
Kevin
W. |
17 Jul 2023 |
No, ID |
I'm not sure what the bird in the photos is, but
something doesn't quite sit right for it to be a Lark Bunting. You can't
tell much, but the stripes on the edge of the breast seem too wide, and
that black spot on the upper chest seems too high and bold for that of a
female or juvenile male Lark Bunting (not to mention that I think Juv male
should have some black on the head?) |
2nd round:
|
14 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
I'll switch my vote. I wish the photos were
better, but I can't make the photos out into something else, and the
description is adequate. |
2023-31 Zone-tailed
Hawk
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
1 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
|
Max M. |
18 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
|
Keeli M.. |
10 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
Nice photo. |
Bryant
O. |
7 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
Great photos and in expected habitat. |
Kris P. |
13 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
In my dreams, all votes are this easy. Thanks,
Mike. |
Mike
S. |
25 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
8 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent documentation. |
David
W. |
11 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
Very nice writeup, great photo. |
Kevin
W. |
25 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
Photos show distinctive shape and tail bands of
Zone-tailed Hawk. |
2023-32 Red-headed
Woodpecker
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
16 Jul 2023 |
To 2nd |
Description sounds ok , and this has been a good
year for RHWO in the West, but curious on other s thoughts. |
2nd round:
|
29 Aug 2023 |
No, ID |
My first round vote was from a perspective of
the observer describing exactly what they saw. As I read other s comments,
it made me realize how many times my eyes have been tricked when looking
at a bird with my naked eyes. Combine this with some of the field marks
that were left out, I feel there may not be enough to accept this record. |
3rd round:
|
2 Oct 2023 |
No, ID |
This might have been a RHWO, but the concerns I
have with the observation are still present and I don t feel this is a
strong enough report to warrant acceptance. |
Max M. |
18 Jul 2023 |
To 2nd |
Struggling with this record and could go either
way. The fact that the observer saw this bird on horseback (I can't tell
if he actually used his binoculars, just observed with his naked eye or
both) leaves me somewhat questioning the ID, although RHWO are very
distinctive. What else could it be? LEWO? I would like to hear others
thoughts. |
2nd round:
|
9 Aug 2023 |
No, ID |
I think I am in agreement with Mike S. and
Bryant on this one. Between the method of observation, lack of experience
with this species, lack of eliminating other species of woodpeckers, and
lack of detail in reference to the white rump and secondaries, I am left
with too much uncertainty. For me, the description comes up just short of
what I would be comfortable with to accept. |
3rd round:
|
27 Sep 2023 |
No, ID |
I also appreciate Kris's efforts in reaching out
to the observer to ask more detailed questions, but even with the
responses I still don't feel there is quite enough detail to leave no
doubt that it was in fact a RHWO. I think Mike S. summarized the concerns
I have with this record. |
Keeli M.. |
10 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
Wish observer had supporting photos, but based
on description, it's plausible. It's hard to confuse this species with
others. |
2nd round:
|
20 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Continuing to accept because I believe this
species would be hard to mis-ID and I still think it's believable. I agree
with others' statements that the description is a little lacking. |
3rd round:
|
26 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
I appreciate Kris's comments and I believe that
regardless of the observer's lack of experience and the shortfalls in her
description and documentation, I still think this is a plausible record,
for the reasons stated by other committee members. Continuing to accept. |
Bryant
O. |
7 Jul 2023 |
No, ID |
Not sure what they saw, but very unlikely in
this habitat (dense mixed conifer forest) since these woodpeckers like
open area with a few scattered deciduous trees. Original eBird report
stated he only saw it naked eye and didn't have binos, a detail he left
out of the record and changed on eBird, which casts considerable doubt.
Also RHWO don't have a solid black back. |
2nd round:
|
1 Aug 2023 |
No, ID |
I agree with Mike S., the description for
this level of rarity needs to be spot on perfect to accept, and it isn't.
Add to that the method of observation, on horseback naked eye in a wooded
area, even at close range observations of birds are tricky (I've tried
birding on horseback and even with Binos it doesn't work). Weird lighting
can effect perception of black and white and red is commonly over
emphasized by our brains and little bit can be blown up into a lot by the
combination of movement during observation, lighting and inexperience.
There are a number of woodpeckers that show a black, white and red pattern
which could be distorted into a Red-headed Woodpecker by a poor view,
weird lighting and inexperience. They may have seen a Red-headed
Woodpecker, but nothing offered here proves that beyond a reasonable
doubt. |
3rd round:
|
27 Sep 2023 |
No, ID |
Although I may have misremembered observers
initial report about this being a naked eye only observation, and do
appreciated Kris reaching out to the observer, I continue to believe this
is not proven beyond a reasonable doubt. |
Kris P. |
14 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
This is such a distinctive species not likely to
be confused with another. The observer's description rules out the slim
possibility of the Red-breasted Sapsucker, even though she didn't
specifically mention that species. While the perception of size is off
since Red-headed and Hairies are the same size, that may be nit-picking;
my unresolved concern is that the big block of white formed by folded
secondaries, rump and upper-tail coverts should have at least garnered a
mention, but she described only the black back and tail. |
2nd round:
|
30 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
That the Red-headed Woodpecker is a distinctive,
easily-identified species is the elephant in the room. The several issues
that are a little off for me to log nice comfortable Accept vote don't
total to take down the elephant. In addition, Casey eliminated the only
other possibility with her description including color blocks-no pattern
and white belly, she was pretty close and she was closer to eye-level with
the bird because she was horseback riding. The term 'unmistakable' gets
thrown around far too often, even by field guide authors, when lots of
distinctive species can be mistaken for others. But I think this is one
species where the word is a darn good fit. |
3rd round:
|
31 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
I think Casey saw a Red-headed Woodpecker and
her description of solid red head (three times), color-blocking with no
pattern, and white belly eliminates the extremely slim possibility of
another species (Red-breasted Sapsucker). Her answers to the questions I
asked outside of the sight record information (Milt--link to the file of
supplemental info here) added a little information including side
view, use of both binos and unaided eye, and no flight views. Her not
noting the white block of the wing tips/rump remained unchanged, and so I
have the same opinion--in favor--that I had before I contacted her.
I think she didn't notice that feature because she was distracted by that
fabulous red head, something I can relate to after seeing the Salt Lake IC
Red-headed Woodpecker in June. That feature drew my attention until the
bird flew, and then the flashing white wing-patch and rump contrasting
strongly with the black back and wings took over the view. When the SL
bird perched, the red head took over the view again. But Casey didn't see
her bird's flashy flight pattern with head minimized; she saw it in a
profile view which allows the head to be the dominant feature and
minimizes the size of the white patch on the lower back.
I'm reminded of a human behavior pattern illustrated by a viral YouTube
video of a few years ago called the Awareness Test. Here's a version of
it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M3QNrNHzDE
Casey's mentioning the solid red head three times is the equivalent of the
passes the basketball team in white made. She was very aware of it. But a
block of white on the lower back, minimized by a profile view? She wasn't
looking for that even if we think it's really obvious when you look right
at it.
I evaluate in every record what the possible features a bird would have
against what's reported, which is usually not the same. So the judgement
call becomes what is enough. What's enough for me, more than enough even,
is an unobstructed view from 20 feet with and without binoculars, a solid
red head mentioned three times, a clean white belly, and color blocking no
pattern. This bird can only be a Red-headed Woodpecker. |
Mike
S. |
27 Jul 2023 |
No, ID |
Although the description mostly sounds good for
a Red-headed Woodpecker, I am concerned about a few omissions. Perhaps
most importantly there is no mention of the white rump or secondaries.
These areas should show such obvious contrast from the "solid black back"
that such an omission is worrisome for this species.
I am also concerned about the lack of mention of a few similar species,
particularly Lewis's Woodpecker and Red-breasted Sapsucker (particularly
the ruber ssp.).
Although the description isn't great for either of those, it is important
to know if the observer is at least aware of those possibilities.
All things considered, I believe there is too much uncertainly to accept. |
2nd round:
|
31 Jul 2023 |
No, ID |
I still find the documentation in this record to
fall just short of what I am comfortable accepting. I have difficulty
overlooking the omissions I mentioned in my first round comment, and I
find their choice of similar species to be a bit odd.
My interpretation of the somewhat ambiguous "solid black back" description
reads as if it was meant to apply to the entirety of the upper-parts,
which is not a good match for a RHWO.
The other interpretation (applying only to the mantle area) omits all of
the other "upper-parts" (secondaries, rump, upper-tail coverts) that
should be white.
Although this species should be distinctive, this is a very rare species
for the state, and the quality of documentation here would fall short of
other accepted records (at least those in recent history). |
3rd round:
|
5 Sep 2023 |
No, ID |
To summarize my concerns: No mention of
contrasting black and white upper-parts, incomplete similar species
section, and lesser overall quality of documentation compared with
previous records, for a species with only 4 vetted records in Utah over
the past 55 years.
I appreciate Kris reaching out to the observer for additional details
(something we could probably do more often as a committee). Unfortunately,
their replies didn't bolster my confidence in the ID. Based on the
totality of the documentation, I wouldn't be surprised if they saw a
Red-headed Woodpecker, but I also wouldn't be surprised if they didn't see
one. |
Mark S. |
8 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
Would have liked to have the white wing-patches
described, but the solid blocks of color only fit this species. This
species is so distinctive that it would be hard to mistake.
It seems to be a good year for them in the west. |
2nd round:
|
1 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Although the description is imperfect, it
adequately eliminates other species, as all sapsuckers, Lewis's
Woodpecker, Three-toed, and even Black-backed fail to fit the observed
features. While the habitat isn't exactly typical, it's not outside the
preferred habitat for the species, given that there are mixed woodlands
and open meadows in the area. It's not too dissimilar from where they are
found in the Pine Ridge area of NW Nebraska. I can easily imagine a
vagrant Red-headed Woodpecker stopping in that location. It would be even
worse habitat for Lewis's Woodpecker. |
3rd round:
|
29 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
I understand the reluctance of some members to
accept this record due to the imperfection of the written description, but
I imagine that it has more to do with the inexperience of the observer in
writing descriptions of their sightings than features not observed.
This isn't an Empid i.d., and I can't come up with a plausible alternative
to explain what was noted in the description. While I recognize that this
is a rare bird (by definition, aren't they all?), it's not THAT rare for
Utah, with 9 vetted records, including, I might note, one from 2002 just a
few miles away from this one, also in the high country of Logan Canyon
(even higher elevation, actually). Given the numerous reports of
Red-headed Woodpecker in the west this year, it seems even less unusual.
I don't see why we would be justified in enforcing such a high standard of
write-up for this record, as it adequately eliminates similar species,
fits with a known pattern of occurrence, and can't be thought of as a
possible corruption of the data.
I say let it stand. |
David
W. |
11 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
I'm a bit hesitant to accept a record from
horseback by a beginner birder (so I surmise from the eBird info), but the
description is solid and the species unmistakable. |
2nd round:
|
3 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Oh that's funny. Just this weekend I heard about
Bryant's aversion to birding on horseback. I suspect that the experience
is a lot more satisfying/accurate when you learn how to do it right. If
people can shoot from horseback, they can bird.
I still think the description warrants a soft Accept. |
3rd round:
|
13 Sep 2023 |
Acc |
I appreciate Kris's efforts to obtain more
information for us. I continue to believe there is enough here to vote to
accept despite the sparse record. |
Kevin
W. |
25 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
The description of the solid red head and black
back and tail eliminates other likely species. |
2nd round:
|
14 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
I agree with others that the record is not as
solid as it could be. I'd like to see white wing patches and rump
described, but at the same time, the distinctive red head and solid
patterns of red, black, and white leave me thinking that this bird could
be nothing else. |
3rd round:
|
29 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
My thoughts continue as before; I would like the
record to be more detailed, but the description given provides details
enough for me to accept. |
2023-33 White-winged
Crossbill
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
16 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
|
Max M. |
18 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
|
Keeli M.. |
29 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
Finally got up there and saw/heard this bird
myself today. Heard and saw one of the males still singing in the
campground. |
Bryant
O. |
10 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
Clear photos |
Kris P. |
26 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
Very nice find by Quinn. I've been surprised
this species hasn't been reported at any other location. Heaven knows I've
been looking, and I'm sure other birders have been as well. |
Mike
S. |
25 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
Great record, nice documentation. |
Mark S. |
14 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
Good documentation, photos. |
David
W. |
11 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
Photos, recording, and writeup leave no doubt.
Nice find by one of the state's very talented birders. I wonder if the
fires up north are driving them south. |
Kevin
W. |
25 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
Photos clearly show white wing bars on a
crossbill. |
2023-34 Yellow-billed
Cuckoo
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
1 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Description eliminates all other possible
species including BBCU. Audio recording helps confirm. |
Max M. |
9 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Good description and supporting audio. Sounds
like an interesting place to visit. |
Keeli M.. |
29 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
Thorough description. I'm surprised he didn't
mention the spots on the tail, and the orange under the wings doesn't
strike me as flaming, but I think it's a plausible record. |
Bryant
O. |
20 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
Recording of a YBCU (but not the one described
in the record?), description is spot on too |
Kris P. |
28 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
Well-observed and documented; a strong record. |
Mike
S. |
4 Aug 2023 |
Acc |
Good written documentation with diagnostic
audio. |
Mark S. |
23 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
The recording is clearly Yellow-billed Cuckoo,
confirming the written description, that also eliminates similar species. |
David
W. |
25 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
Thanks to the excellent documentation of the
observer, this would seem to fall into the "easy record" category that
Milt was talking about. I will therefore try to vote in a timely manner in
the affirmative. |
Kevin
W. |
25 Jul 2023 |
Acc |
The description seems to eliminate other
possibilities, and the recording fits. |
2023-35 Bendire's
Thrasher
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
1 Aug 2023 |
No, ID |
Nearly zero details in the report to
differentiate between other more likely species. |
Max M. |
1 Aug 2023 |
No, ID |
The overall description/report is very minimal
in detail, and the description of field marks and identifying
characteristics is unsatisfactory. Could it have been a juvenile of
another thrasher species? No mention of pattern on the chest, undertail,
behavior, vocalizations, etc. Not enough here for me to accept. |
Keeli M.. |
20 Aug 2023 |
No, ID |
The sighting might be valid, but I don't think
the observer provided enough detail to validate the sighting and rule out
similar species. |
Bryant
O. |
28 Jul 2023 |
No, ID |
All we know is it had a shorter bill than a
Curved-billed Thrasher, no actual description of the bird or field marks
listed? Experience of the observers are not field marks. Sage Thrasher,
Mockingbird, thrushes not discussed or considered. There is really nothing
to go on here even if the species is expected in the area |
Kris P. |
10 Aug 2023 |
No, ID |
Not enough information in any category to accept
as a Bendire's Thrasher. |
Mike
S. |
31 Jul 2023 |
No, ID |
The very limited description does not rule out
other possibilities. |
Mark S. |
1 Aug 2023 |
No, ID |
Not enough to go on here to evaluate this
record. We have no actual description of the bird. Also, the location
"Lytle Ranch" is either too imprecise, or simply not good habitat -
Bendire's are more likely on the road to Lytle than in the riparian
habitat of the ranch itself. |
2nd round:
|
29 Aug 2023 |
No, ID |
As per my first round comments - this is a
female Black-chinned Hummingbird. |
David
W. |
3 Aug 2023 |
No, ID |
"Seen by 3 experienced birders." I don't
vote to accept based on reputation alone. Why not a Sage thrasher?
Also, impressive they managed to get a scope on this species. |
Kevin
W. |
28 Jul 2023 |
No, ID |
There are no details! Other than they didn't
think it was a Curve-billed Thrasher. Why did they even bother to submit
it? |
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