2022-31 Scarlet
Tanager
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
30 Jun 2022 |
Acc |
Although no photo, this would be a difficult ID
to mistake |
2nd round:
|
17 Aug 2022 |
No,ID |
Other's concerns, combined with my initial
thoughts are a good enough reason to vote no. And I swear I use
punctuations. I don t know why they don t show on my comments??? |
Mike H. |
24 Jul 2022 |
To 2nd |
I guess I'm confused on the Time of Observation?
If a bird was observed for 3 minutes consecutively or even total, I don't
feel there would've been a need for discussion about what they observed?
Also, bird was observed with a camera, but no photos? Bird observed may
very well have been a SCTA, but IMO there are a couple of questionable
details within this sight record. |
2nd round:
|
16 Aug 2022 |
No,ID |
Other's concerns, combined with my initial
thoughts are a good enough reason to vote no. And I swear I use
punctuations. I don t know why they don t show on my comments??? |
Max M. |
5 Jul 2022 |
Acc |
Not sure what else this bird could be. . |
2nd round:
|
2 Aug 2022 |
No,ID |
Changing my vote based on comments from other
reviewers. Not enough detail to eliminate other species. |
Keeli M.. |
5 Jul 2022 |
Acc |
Again, hard decision whether to accept without
photos, but description backs up ID. Not a lot of ID options for bright
red birds. |
2nd round:
|
29 Jul 2022 |
No,ID |
Changing my mind on this one after agreeing with
many of the comments. Hard to mistake other species for this one, but
there does seem to be a lack of details and I am left wondering why they
couldn't get photos. |
Bryant
O. |
30 Jun 2022 |
No, ID |
I'm unconvinced by the sparse details provided
they did not infact see a Summer Tanager. Looking at a bird high above in
the canopy on a cloudy day, I think the illusion of black wings could be
easily created by shading. Given how often Scarlet are reported in
Washington county(multiple every year), this seems to be a common pitfall.
I'd like another field mark like calls heard, bill color/size, tail color
etc. to accept. |
2nd round:
|
31 Jul 2022 |
No,ID |
I continue to have doubts and want more field
marks than just 1, glad a few others also have concerns. The lack of
photos even though seen through a camera is troubling as well. |
Kris P. |
15 Jul 2022 |
Acc |
|
2nd round:
|
11 Aug 2022 |
No,ID |
I'm changing my vote from 'Accept' to 'No, ID'
due to my changing opinion that the details supporting the ID are too
sparse and not enough. Sparse but still enough would have been if the
observer had also mentioned the bird having a black tail. The contrast in
colors of red under-body and black tail should have been visible from the
perspective below and might have resolved concerns about a trick of light
making the wings appear black on the sides of the body. Of course, the
fact that photos might be available to validate the ID but weren't
included further nudged my Not Accept' vote. So all I can wish for is a
re-submittal of this record including photos that resolve the ID. |
Mike
S. |
24 Jul 2022 |
No, ID |
While a "red bird with black wings" could
certainly be describing a male Scarlet Tanager, there simply isn't enough
here to rule out similar species.
I'm also a bit confused about the camera/lens optical equipment mentioned
since there are no photos included with the record. |
2nd round:
|
26 Jul 2022 |
No,ID |
As Bryant mentions, this species is often
reported in Washington County without compelling evidence. Just this past
April at the Red Cliffs Bird Fest, someone reported a Scarlet Tanager at
Tonaquint and similarly mentioned the "black wings" as the distinguishing
field mark to rule out Summer Tanagers (common at that location). And yet,
none of the many other birders in the area were able to back up that
observation.
In this case, the similar species mentioned are the ones most likely to
present confusion. However, there isn't much written about HOW those
species were eliminated (also mentioned by David). I am further troubled
by the observers' lack of experience with this and similar species.
All things considered, I believe there is too much uncertainty. |
David
W. |
7 Jul 2022 |
To 2nd |
I'm leaning very weakly toward acceptance
because that color combination is not very common in this part of the
world. On the other hand, the paucity of detail is very troubling. How did
the observers determine the size of the bird? Was it relative to other
birds seen near this one? In what way did this bird's behavior/flight not
match a Vermillion flycatcher? And the fact that the only recorded
difference between the Vermillion was its size and behavior makes me
wonder how good of a look was had. Something just seems oddly uncertain
about this record. |
2nd round:
|
3 Aug 2022 |
No,ID |
My concerns about this record have only been
strengthened by those of others. |
Kevin
W. |
13 Jul 2022 |
Acc |
Although a brief sighting, the black wings rule
out similar Summer Tanager.. |
2nd round:
|
10 Aug 2022 |
No,ID |
I'm changing my vote. I agree with others
that the lack of details leave room for question. |
2022-32 Hudsonian
Godwit
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
2 Jul 2022 |
Acc |
Clear record |
2nd round:
|
17 Aug 2022 |
Acc |
Continuing to approve on same basis |
Mike H. |
14 Jul 2022 |
Acc |
|
2nd round:
|
8 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Continuing to accept. Molt pattern and
occurrence seem a better fit for HUGO. |
Max M. |
5 Jul 2022 |
Acc |
Photos definitely show HUGO. |
2nd round:
|
9 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
|
Keeli M.. |
29 Jul 2022 |
No, ID |
My lack of ID experience with this species and
similar species may show here, but I am unconvinced of this ID. Photo C
does not show the same dark tail and wingtip feathers or coloration that
the other photos seem to show, and I disagree with the statement that the
photos make the identification straightforward. I'm also concerned that
some of the description doesn't match up with ID as Hudsonian. As the
smallest Godwit, I'd expect them to be perceived as roughly the same size
as a Willet, not noticeably larger. While it was stated the color of the
feathers made it clear it was a Hudsonian, not describing what color was
observed and relying on the photos which may not be 100% true to color was
less helpful for me diagnostically (Like saying you know that it's an
aspen because of the way it is, if anyone gets that reference). |
2nd round:
|
13 Aug 2022 |
Acc |
Appreciate Bryant's research and explanation of
the molting pattern. Revising my original comments to say, I agree that
Hudsonian is the most likely. |
Bryant
O. |
2 Jul 2022 |
Acc |
Clearly a Godwit and not a Marbled as to gray,
molting from basic into alternate plumage. I compared photos of Bar-tailed
and Hudsonian in May on Macaulay Library, found several HUGO that closely
matched this bird and no Bar-tailed. They seem to molt different, with the
HUGO molting the back 1st then the belly with head and throat last,
Bar-tailed molt 1st to a red torso starting on the throat. Black-tailed
mostly ruled out by range as no western US records south of Alaska, only 1
west of Mississippi in TX, seem to gain red head and neck 1st, then molt
body feathers. Of these 3, Hudsonian also far more likely |
2nd round:
|
10 Aug 2022 |
Acc |
I also struggled with this one a bit, trying to
wrap my head around exactly why it is a Hudsonian since the record didn't
provide great details. So I had to do my own independent research to
understand the molt cycle of all Godwit species to justify my vote. Here
are some examples I talked about: Molting HUGO:
https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/58234921
And Bar-tailed in various stages of molt:
https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/58978691
And Black-tailed:
https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/455135291
Note how in Bar-tailed and Black-tailed the torso molts first turning red,
then the back. In Hudsonian the back turns dark before the torso turns
red, matching this bird with a molting back but sparse molt on the torso.. |
Kris P. |
15 Jul 2022 |
Acc |
|
2nd round:
|
20 Aug 2022 |
Acc |
I'm comfortable with the ID. I agree with
Keeli's comments regarding descriptions that lean on the photos rather
than also independently describing what the observer saw. I always want
both; more info is better than less. |
Mike
S. |
24 Jul 2022 |
Acc |
Nice documentation. |
2nd round:
|
24 Aug 2022 |
Acc |
Continuing to accept based on photos and
probability of occurrence. I also studied photos in the Macauley Library,
(confining the search to May) and I agree with Bryant's assessment. |
David
W. |
3 Aug 2022 |
Acc |
OK, I guess the spotting is definitive. |
2nd round:
|
25 Aug 2022 |
Acc |
Still think this is a good record. |
Kevin
W. |
10 Aug 2022 |
Acc |
Photos look like a Hudsonian Godwit |
2nd round:
|
17 Aug 2022 |
Acc |
Continuing to accept. Thanks to Bryant for
pointing out specific features.
|
2022-33 Red
Phalarope
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
3 Aug 2022 |
No, ID |
With this observer's track record, we can only
go by photos, which are pretty impossible to ascertain. |
2nd round:
|
17 Aug 2022 |
No, ID |
Description and photos fail to solidify the ID
and rule out similar species. |
Mike H. |
16 Aug 2022 |
No, ID |
The photos neither prove or disprove the vague
description which I feel isn't enough to accept this record. |
2nd round:
|
27 Sep 2022 |
No, ID |
Nothing stated after the first round of voting
has changed my opinion on this record. |
Max M. |
5 Jul 2022 |
No, ID |
There is just too much that is wrong with this
record. "Alternate plumage" would be breeding plumage, which is not the
case with the bird in the photo. Almost (if not all) July records of REPH
in the lower 48 are adults in breeding plumage or molting, and are towards
the end of the month. I could not find any REPH records at the beginning
of July inland in the lower 48. Juveniles don't even start to leave
breeding grounds until August. Etc. etc. etc. - the photos are too blurry
to rule out basic plumage RNPH. I was there on the same day, an hour
before this sighting was reported, and saw a number of basic plumaged RNPH
- which is probably what this bird is. |
2nd round:
|
9 Sep 2022 |
No, ID |
Continuing to reject based on a number of
inadequacies. |
Keeli M.. |
5 Jul 2022 |
No, ID |
Photos and description don't provide sufficient
evidence to me to rule out Red-necked Phalarope. |
2nd round:
|
14 Sep 2022 |
No, ID |
Continuing to reject. Photos and description
just don't support ID strongly enough or rule out Red-necked Phalarope
enough to accept. I also agree that there are issues in the description as
other reviewers discussed. |
Bryant
O. |
4 Jul 2022 |
No, ID |
There are a number of problems with this record.
The date is very concerning, there are no July records of this species
with physical evidence in Utah ( or any accepted), or the interior west
before July 24th. The plumage is concerning, as the photos show a
phalarope in full basic plumage. I can find very few photos on eBird of a
July Red Phalarope that are not in Alternate plumage or molting. Photos
show a phalarope with a streaky back about the same size as the Red-necked
next to it (Red should be larger and stouter necked). Moreover, The
observers lack of understand of the correct terminology of alternate
plumage (AKA breeding) is a big red flag, and speaks to this observers
over confidence, they do not know as much as they think they do.
Additionally, I was there a few hours before this report, with 3 other
competent observers, and there were a few basic plumage Phalarope mixed in
with the large number of alternate plumage Red-necked and Wilson's
Phalarope, but upon close inspection all were Red-necked. Birds move
around, but I see no evidence this observer did not simply misidentify a
basic plumage Red-necked Phalarope. |
2nd round:
|
17 Aug 2022 |
No, ID |
Observer provided no real field mark to
eliminate Red-necked. Exactly how was the bill lighter? Was it yellow,
pink or just paler gray? Bill length compared to Red-necked not mentioned.
Same size as Red-necked is troubling as Red are bigger. "more gray back"
doesn't adequately describe back, compared to alternate or basic plumage
Red-necked? No mention of streaking on back visible in poor photos. Timing
and molt not addressed. Lack of understanding of "Alternate Plumage" is a
problem. Observer mentions seeing Red several times in Utah, but a quick
search of records show he has no accepted records by the UBRC or on eBird,
yet he does report them from AIC every year. A more plausible explanation
is observer doesn't know how to ID Red Phalarope, it is a very tricky ID. |
Kris P. |
27 Jul 2022 |
No, ID |
I don't believe even the most liberal allowances
for molt, age or timing would put the ID of this bird as a Red Phalarope
in the realm of the possible. I think this sighting would need to be
supported by an extraordinary photo as the claim defies what is presently
known about the species' phenology. |
2nd round:
|
18 Aug 2022 |
No, ID |
I remain firm not to accept this record after
reviewing everyone else's comments. This record is a matter of the ECREE
concept: Extraordinary Claims Require Extraordinary Evidence, and the
narrative and photographic evidence don't support the ID. Further, I
researched every July inland Red Phalarope record in eBird in support of
my first round vote and found that each one that named the age of the bird
listed an adult. (Several referred to accepted records of state records
committees without the detail of age). To the best of my research, an
immature Red Phalarope has never been documented inland in early July, an opinion
further substantiated by multiple sources that describe ages and migratory
timing. That this record would be the first-ever, or perhaps just not
formally described yet, is too unlikely. |
Mike
S. |
6 Aug 2022 |
No, ID |
I don't believe a Red Phalarope would resemble
this bird in early July. At this date, Red Phalaropes would almost
certainly be in breeding plumage (the bird in these photos is obviously
not). Also, the timing would be very unusual for a Red Phalarope in Utah.. |
2nd round:
|
16 Aug 2022 |
No, ID |
I agree with others that this is very likely a
Red-necked Phalarope. Basic plumage at this date almost certainly
eliminates a Red Phalarope. Additional red flags include the unusual
timing for a REPH, and the presence of several competent birders at this
location the same day, none of whom identified a REPH. |
David
W. |
7 Jul 2022 |
Acc |
The bird does indeed appear to be slightly
smaller than the surrounding Wilson's and the head (crown) too white for a
Red-necked. The back is a bit patterned but is overall relatively flat
gray. The description of the pale bill base are compelling. |
2nd round:
|
25 Aug 2022 |
No, ID |
Since I no longer have access to the Cornell
charts showing molts, it is hard for me to weigh in on whether the
Red-necked and Red have different timing for their basic plumage. So I'll
leave that alone.
I suppose basing my vote on the slight paleness of bill base is not
entirely justifiable considering that the description is based on "From
photo(s) taken at the time of the sighting." Was the bird identified in
the field, or afterwards looking at photos? |
Kevin
W. |
10 Aug 2022 |
Acc |
I wish the photos were a little more clear, and
that the description was a little more detailed. Given the photos, though,
it looks more like a Red Phalarope than the others. |
2nd round:
|
17 Aug 2022 |
No, ID |
I agree with others that the photos are poor and
description not adequate to rule out Red-necked phalarope. |
2022-34 Arctic
Tern
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
3 Aug 2022 |
Acc |
I hesitate to accept, but shoot, I can't rule
out Arctic Tern and I can rule out Common with the tail apparently being
longer than the wingtips and those stubby legs. |
2nd round:
|
17 Aug 2022 |
Acc |
Continuing to accept based on previous field
marks. |
Mike H. |
16 Aug 2022 |
Acc |
Red bill, stubby legs, the black cap engulfing
the eye, rounded head, and tail extension all point towards Arctic. |
2nd round:
|
8 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
If I m seeing the photos the way they really
are, then I agree with the angle of the photo being of concern. The
observer posted a photo to Facebook without knowing what he was looking
at/for and therefore I don t place much stock in his(?)field observations.
The additional comments from others are going off of the same photos that
we are looking at. All of this being said, I m still accepting this on the
reasons listed on my first vote. |
Max M. |
18 Jul 2022 |
Acc |
Photos look good for ARTE, and input from
various sources are helpful in providing support for the ID. Too bad this
bird seemed to be a one-hit wonder! |
2nd round:
|
9 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
|
Keeli M.. |
13 Aug 2022 |
Acc |
Photos and description are supportive of ID as
Arctic Tern. |
2nd round:
|
14 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Continuing to accept based on record and
combination of field marks. |
Bryant
O. |
18 Jul 2022 |
No, ID |
Common Tern not eliminated, and much more
likely. His ID as Arctic is based mainly on the all red bill, however
Common often loose the black tip in July-august. Additional comments don't
actually provide any field marks to justify Arctic. Common do have fairly
short legs and leg length can be hard to judge. Tail/wing length hard to
get a handle of at this angle. I would expect an Arctic to have a darker
breast. Additionally, he posted other photos on Facebook which do clearly
show a Common Tern with a black bill tip, then later said it could have
been a different Tern. No discussion of flight field marks and poor flight
photos. This Tern could be an Arctic, but I' not sure the evidence
provided proves that it is. In the least, we need to give this a thorough
examination |
2nd round:
|
14 Sep 2022 |
No, ID |
I hate to be the one hold out here, but there
are a couple things that continue to trouble me about this record. 1st the
observer did not ID this themselves, this is an example of what might be
termed a facebook sloppy ID. Unfortunately there are many hotheads who
lurk on the internet and love to share their opinion, but in reality they
don't know as much as they think they do. There are a lot of opinions
saying "right GISS for ARTE", but none go into exact detail why and can
site a single field mark that eliminates COTE. There is only 1 ARTE record
in UT, is GISS enough to make the ID here? The main point of ID seems to
be the all red bill, but that doesn't work for July-August terns because
COTE usually lose the black tip, a fact no one mentioned. The angle of the
bird is such that its head is turned away slightly and body angled too, so
judgment of the bill and tail length is misleading. Leg length is also
obscured by the rock, and actually looks a bit long for ARTE and closer to
COTE, but again this can be deceptive depending on posture of the bird. He
left out other photos from the record that clearly do show a COTE with a
black bill tip and dark primaries, which he claimed later could have been
a different bird as it was seen 10 minutes later, that fact calls into
question the flight shots, when was that seen? The flying bird is not a
COTE but the pale primaries, but appears to have a black bill on another
shot only on facebook, which would be consistent with a FOTE in July so
are we certain that is not a different bird? A single distant photo can be
misleading, but seems to be all we are going with here and add some doubt
about how many terns there were around the island and this seems a bit
sketchy for me to accept. Again, it may be an ARTE, but nothing here
proves that to me. But please enlighten me what I'm missing here, why is
it a Zebra and not a Horse? |
Kris P. |
2 Aug 2022 |
Acc |
The most compelling information supporting my
accept vote is the Arctic Tern GISS captured in Photos C-C1 some of which
Taylor also described including:
--Attenuated, delicate profile
--Small red bill in both length and thickness rather than the greater
robustness and color of the Common or Forster's
--Rounded crown
--Significant tail extension past wingtips
--Seemingly very short legs
Another feature, not part of the GISS, is the apparent concolorous dorsal
wing in Photos D-D1.
I have minor reservations that the bill color could be atypical, the
throat, cheek and upper breast appears white rather than gray (photo
exposure?) and that the angle of Photos C-C1 may change the proportion of
body parts to the whole, but the overall structure of the bird is
compelling enough to quash those concerns. I suppose few submissions can
be a committee member's dream record of easy analysis, and kudos to Taylor
for recognizing what he saw and getting the information he was able to
capture at 400 feet. |
2nd round:
|
10 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
My best conclusion on this record, although not
an easy conclusion, continues to be that this bird is an Arctic Tern. I'm
casting my vote based on only the information contained in the record and
not what was posted on Facebook (I don't subscribe). |
Mike
S. |
16 Aug 2022 |
Acc |
I agree with the feedback the observer received
from others on facebook. I believe that the combination of field marks in
the description points to an Arctic Tern and rules out Common and
Forster's. These points all appear to be consistent with the photos.
Nice documentation, and I appreciate the observer taking the time to seek
input from others. |
2nd round:
|
14 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Bryant's first round comment caused me some
hesitation, but I've decided to stick with my vote to accept. The photos
are of marginal quality, but I do believe there is enough detail visible
to rule out a Common Tern (particularly the details of the head, bill,
proportions of wing/tail projection, and wing pattern).
It's more of a side note, but I'm not sure that we can read much into the
leg length.
The following is from Birds of the World Online:
"In the hand, short tarsus length of Arctic Tern is diagnostic (≤17.0 mm).
Common Tern has longer legs (tarsus ≥17.5 mm; longer than middle toe
without claw)."
Although diagnostic in the hand, those measurements don't instill much
confidence that leg length is a very reliable field mark. |
David
W. |
5 Aug 2022 |
Acc |
I wish the contrasting gray of the breast were
better visible, but I'll chalk that up to the severe lighting. In the
other respects (esp. bill size & color, leg size, wing pattern in flight),
this bird appears to be an Arctic. |
2nd round:
|
12 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
I am not swayed from my first round vote despite
Bryant's valiant attempts. |
Kevin
W. |
10 Aug 2022 |
Acc |
Photos show what appear to be stubby legs, long
tail, redder bill than Forster's or common. |
2nd round:
|
9 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
I still feel inclined to call this an Arctic
Tern. |
2022-35 Ruff
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
3 Aug 2022 |
Acc |
Clear record, nice find |
Mike H. |
16 Aug 2022 |
Acc |
Not Nat Geo quality, but photos are good enough
to eliminate other possibilities. |
Max M. |
3 Aug 2022 |
Acc |
Lovely Bird! Hope some other good rarities are
found next week during the big day shorebird surveys. . . |
Keeli M.. |
13 Aug 2022 |
Acc |
Photo and description supportive of ID. |
Bryant
O. |
8 Aug 2022 |
Acc |
Those orange legs were very striking, even at
considerable distance |
Kris P. |
18 Aug 2022 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
24 Aug 2022 |
Acc |
Good documentation. Another nice find by Max and
Bryant. |
David
W. |
3 Aug 2022 |
Acc |
Convincing, detailed writeup. |
Kevin
W. |
17 Aug 2022 |
Acc |
Photos good enough to identify, good write-up. |
2022-36 Hudsonian
Godwit
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
17 Aug 2022 |
Acc |
Clear record |
Mike H. |
16 Aug 2022 |
Acc |
Photos shows a HUGO. |
Max M. |
9 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Nice Record! |
Keeli M.. |
13 Aug 2022 |
Acc |
Photos and description are supportive of ID.
Possibly same bird as previously reported? |
Bryant
O. |
8 Aug 2022 |
Acc |
Diagnostic photos |
Kris P. |
10 Aug 2022 |
Acc |
Despite the dearth of reports of this species in
Utah, I believe it could even be annual. Vast godwit habitat isn't
accessible to us. And the factors of being in the right place at the right
time with the right optics to observe and capture the critical details are
immense. Detecting a HUGO could be a matter of a single MAGO in a flock of
thousands of resting birds re-positioning 6 inches to one side.
That being said, I believe the supplemental August 7 sighting listed on
the summary page for this record depicts a Marbled Godwit in the photos.
The sighting was also reported in eBird on that day and I believe the
photos depict a buffy-brown Marbled Godwit with patterned upper-parts and
not a mostly-plain grayish and white Hudsonian Godwit as described in the
checklist's word picture. |
Mike
S. |
5 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Nice written documentation establishes the ID.
Photos show clear differences from nearby Marbled Godwits. |
David
W. |
7 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Excellent writeup by Kristin. I am only voting
to accept her sighting, not the many that were reported after her because
I believe some of those may have represented wishful thinking. I've not
had a chance to go through any of the subsequent sightings to evaluate
their validity, one way or another. |
Kevin
W. |
17 Aug 2022 |
Acc |
Photos show good Hudsonian Godwit comparison
with Marbled Godwits, especially the grayer back and white undertail
coverts. |
2022-37 Red
Phalarope
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
25 Aug 2022 |
Acc |
|
Mike H. |
8 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Photo clearly shows a molting REPH. |
Max M. |
9 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Nice bird, nice to have a rarity during our
Intermountain West Shorebird Survey Big Day. |
Keeli M.. |
14 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Photos and description, especially examples of
molt stages, are supportive of ID and rule out similar species. |
Bryant
O. |
13 Aug 2022 |
Acc |
|
Kris P. |
9 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Nice find, Bryant, to have documented during the
shorebird survey. The observation of the yellow base of the bill, and
rufous on the rear flank and base of the outer tail feathers in several
photos are particularly helpful given the bird's partial molt status. |
Mike
S. |
7 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Good documentation, including photos showing a
clear side-by-side comparison with a RNPH.
Interesting note on the timing, which is relatively early for a Red
Phalarope: this would be the first UBRC-accepted REPH record for August
since 1979. However, I do see some other August eBird records (also from
Antelope Island Causeway). |
David
W. |
30 Aug 2022 |
Acc |
Wow, remnants of breeding plumage. You don't see
that every day (or decade) in Utah. Another rarity found and
well-documented in Utah by Bryant. |
Kevin
W. |
9 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Tricky plumage, but I think some of the field
marks that confirm this as a red are the bicolored bill and its thickness,
the reddish color left on breast and vent, and the plain gray back. Good
documentation. |
2022-38 Boreal
Owl
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
25 Aug 2022 |
Acc |
|
Mike H. |
22 Aug 2022 |
Acc |
A documented breeding species in Utah. |
Max M. |
9 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
|
Keeli M.. |
14 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Photos and description and response to playback
are supportive of ID |
Bryant
O. |
22 Aug 2022 |
Acc |
Known location and great photos leave no doubt |
Kris P. |
10 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
7 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Great photos clearly show a Boreal Owl. |
David
W. |
30 Aug 2022 |
Acc |
Another great record from Jeff. Amazing pictures
confirm his detailed field mark narrative. Bill color, head shape,
forehead pattern, etc. Very nice. |
Kevin
W. |
9 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Great photos of a hard to document bird. |
2022-39 Long-tailed
Jaeger
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
25 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Thin bill, light coloration, ok, I'll go for it |
2nd round:
|
10 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
Field marks fit best for long-tailed, with that
thin bill and light coloration. |
Mike H. |
27 Sep 2022 |
To 2nd |
|
2nd round:
|
27 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
A few of my questions/concerns can t be answered
by the photos alone, but taken as a whole, I do feel there is more weight
on the LTJA side of the scale. |
Max M. |
9 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Good description and find by a couple of our
own. |
2nd round:
|
24 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
I agree with others comments that between the
description and the photos, particularly the one showing the white shafts
limited to P8 and P9 are enough to accept this difficult ID. I also looked
at photos of the nape/contrasting cap in juvenile jaegers and this
supports LTJA. |
Keeli M.. |
14 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Nice job getting photos! Jaeger sightings are
always fleeting. |
2nd round:
|
12 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Agree that jaegers can be challenging to ID, but
also concur that the sum of the evidence presented continues to support ID
as Long-tailed Jaeger. |
Bryant
O. |
3 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
An addition feature that favors LTJA is the pale
clean nape contrasting with a dark crown visible in photos. POJA and PAJA
should have a uniform colored head and nape as juveniles regardless of
morph. To sum up, my general impression of GISS in the field was of a LTJA
and photos support that ID. Matt got additional photos, but lost his
camera disc. If ever found those photos should show up in the eBird
checklist. |
2nd round:
|
2 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
I was waiting to comment in the 2nd round
hoping to hear Mike H.'s concerns so I could address them, but since the
deadline is approaching here goes. So looking at this Jaeger, juvenile
Pomarine is immediately eliminated by the all dark primary covers on the
underwing, in a POJA they should be white based creating the so called
"double flash" of white on the underwing. Also the structure and
proportions are all wrong: narrow wings, long tail, not pot bellied or
bulky and skua like. So really we are considering juvenile LTJA vs PAJA,
and this was apparent to me in the field. There are a number of pro LTJA
field marks. The best field mark in favor of LTJA is the white in the
primaries on the upperside. In a PAJA 4 or 5 outer primaries show white
shafts, and usually white bases, creating a white crescent on the upper
wing, on a LTJA only the outer 2 primaries show any white, limited to the
shafts, so no crescent is seen. Photos F and G show this clearly and seal
the deal. Also, PAJA are generally darker with rufous feather edging
making the underwing covers appear darker than the flanks, LTJA have white
feather edging making the underwing covers appear paler than the flanks.
Overall PAJA are a warm rufous brown and LTJA are a cold gray brown, PAJA
also show streaking on the flanks and nape that are lacking in this
Jaeger. When I talk about GISS, what I'm really addressing is my quick
assessment of the structure and proportions of the bird, which are
absolute field marks that distinguish them. LTJA are longer, narrower
winged, longer tailed(not just the tail plumes) and slimmer, giving a more
tern like flight and impression. In 2014 I observed multiple PAJA and a
LTJA on AIC, this difference in structure and flight style became apparent
to me, and that was recently solidified by my experience with both in the
arctic and all 3 on the ocean, these are really differences, as real as
that between a Robin and a Solitaire. Assessing GISS in the field is
something all experienced birders do all the time and is just a quick
assessment of the birds structure and field marks based on experience with
the species. My GISS of the bird in the field was LTJA, and the photos
show real field marks that confirm that impression. For what its worth, I
saw another Jaeger a few weeks later at Bountiful Pond, also a fast fly
over. My GISS on that Jaeger was a PAJA, but my photos are so poor that I
can't prove it, so I did not and will not submit a record for it, even
though I'm 99% sure that's what it was, because I understand the
difference between GISS impressions and proof. |
Kris P. |
21 Sep 2022 |
To 2nd |
I have significant concerns with this record
because it represents mostly a GISS ID of a juvenile of a confusing genera
trio all of which have color morphs, with no other birds present for a
size reference. In addition, in common jaeger fashion, the bird didn't
present either a long or a great viewing/photographic opportunity to
gather/document the information to make me entirely comfortable with the
ID. I find the documentation less than definitive, so I'd like to send
this one for discussion |
2nd round:
|
3 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
Thanks to all for considering this record a
second time. I'm not fond of my using the 'To 2nd' vote option and chose
it only after significant study and deliberation given we'd all need to
consider the record again due to my choice. I'm voting to accept due to
the most compelling features or lack thereof including:
Described or visible in photos:
- Cold brown tones
- Long, narrow-based wings and hand area
- Slim body
- Pale under-wing crescent and minimal white outer primary shafts
Not present:
- Warm brown tones (PAJA)
- Bulky body and broad-based wings (POJA)
- Primary shaft and pale under-wing crescent patterns (both PAJA and POJA)
There are minor contributing plumage characters as well not necessary to
itemize as all of you have made your cases.
I think I recall seeing Bryant's eBird checklist on the day of the
sighting at first listing the bird as a Parasitic/Long-tailed Jaeger, and
later editing it to Long-tailed. I assumed this delay reflected caution in
not calling the ID based upon only the field observation before reviewing
the photos. If this is correct and not a fiction in my head, I appreciate
Bryant's caution.
I've been hopeful Matt would have found his camera disc and posted his
pics, because images from another angle might have been helpful. I don't
see evidence in the record of independent conclusions or conferring about
the bird. (While this may have occurred, it's not specifically listed). I
think that info would have helped offset the challenge inherent in a
juvenile jaeger ID and helped allay my doubts. |
Mike
S. |
2 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Although additional photos showing the
upper-side of the wing would be useful, I believe the other field marks
point to a Long-tailed Jaeger over Parasitic. |
2nd round:
|
11 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
I understand the hesitation to accept given that
this is challenging ID made even harder when you don't have the most
cooperative bird. However, when taken in combination, I do believe there
is enough evidence to call this a Long-tailed Jaeger. A better upper-side
photo of the wing should eliminate all doubt, but the one poor photo we do
have does appear to suggest a LTJA. Also, I believe there is something to
Bryant's mention of the crown/nape contrast. I can find very few examples
of this extent of contrast on a juvenile Parasitic, but it seems to be a
normal feature of juvenile Long-tailed. |
David
W. |
7 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
I think two of the photos (F & G) show the pale
wing shafts being confined to the leading edge on the upper side of the
wing (P8,P9). Initially seen by Lauri, alarm sounded by Matt, photos and
field marks taken by the quick-witted Bryant. |
2nd round:
|
4 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Although I agree that jaegers are notoriously
difficult to key out in the field, I find the photos prove the case in
this sighting. A GISS argument can sometimes make one a bit queasy, but
it's hard to argue with the white shaft pattern on the upperwing and some
of the other details. My hat off on the quick response with the camera. |
Kevin
W. |
30 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Well written description (including some
characteristics that I didn't know). Photos show marks characteristic of
Long-tailed Jaeger. |
2nd round:
|
28 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
I continue to think that there are enough field
marks shown in the photos to identify this as a long-tailed Jaeger. |
2022-40 Tennessee
Warbler
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
25 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Description seems to eliminate other species,
observer seems fairly experienced with the species |
Mike H. |
16 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Both observers have established a very good
record of finding rarities with good documentation and I feel there is
enough in their description of field marks to accept this record. |
Max M. |
9 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Good description eliminating similar species. |
Keeli M.. |
14 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Description of bird is supportive of ID, and all
white underside and undertail rules out a lot of species. |
Bryant
O. |
9 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Good description adequately eliminates similar
species. Interesting that this sounds more like an alternate plumage male
with the gray head, unlike they typical basic plumage TEWA that are
usually seen in fall in Utah. |
Kris P. |
2 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
2 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
I believe the written documentation is adequate.
Combination of white underparts (including undertail coverts), white
supercilium, olive-green back, and bill shape indicates a Tennessee
Warbler. |
David
W. |
7 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Good description of the relevant field marks. |
Kevin
W. |
30 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
The description eliminates other similar
species, including Orange-crowned. |
2022-41 Rusty
Blackbird
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
25 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Rusty coloration, curved bill |
Mike H. |
27 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Pale tipped undertail coverts are diagnostic. |
Max M. |
9 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
|
Keeli M.. |
2 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Good substantiating photos and recording.
Interesting find, good memory of sighting. |
Bryant
O. |
9 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Photos leave no doubt. This RUBL was seen during
the period that the UBRC no longer reviewed RUBL(2019-2020). I actually
emailed them to submit a record in 2019, only to get a response that the
species was not on the review list. There are a number of other records of
RUBL during this period, should all of them be submitted? This is an
annual expected winter resident in small numbers. ID is tricky, but
nevertheless I believe their status in Utah is well established. |
Kris P. |
3 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
2 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Good photos clearly show a Rusty Blackbird. |
David
W. |
9 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Excellent photos and good recording. |
Kevin
W. |
30 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Rusty coloration and face pattern eliminate
similar species. |
2022-42 Tennessee
Warbler
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
25 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
|
Mike H. |
16 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
|
Max M. |
30 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Good documentation |
Keeli M.. |
12 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Photos are diagnostic and rule out most other
species. |
Bryant
O. |
25 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Photos leave no doubt |
Kris P. |
2 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
I thought this bird was going to be a slam-dunk
given the emphasis on the white undertail coverts until I opened the
photos. A couple plumage characters favor Orange-crowned more including:
- Fairly prominent, pale, split eyering
- Significant blurry breast streaks
However, the structure of the tail with its short extension beyond those
white undertail coverts carries more weight for me and therefore, I'll
accept this bird as a Tennessee. |
Mike
S. |
2 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Photos appear to show a 'first fall' Tennessee
Warbler (dark eyeline, pale supercilium, white undertail coverts).
I am glad there are photos because the description only focuses on the
pale undertail coverts to rule out Orange-crowned. While that's a good
field mark, I don't believe it is diagnostic as a stand-alone. |
David
W. |
27 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Good photos support narrative. |
Kevin
W. |
30 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Photos show yellowish warbler with white
undertail coverts. |
2022-43 Philadelphia
Vireo
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
11 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
I'm seeing pretty dark lores there; ok, I'll go
for it |
Mike H. |
16 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Good photos! Dark lores stand out. |
Max M. |
30 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Nice bird and record! |
Keeli M.. |
2 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Good photos. Dark lores, shape and coloration
look right to me to support ID. |
Bryant
O. |
25 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Photos leave no doubt |
Kris P. |
3 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
I appreciate Quinn's efforts and success in
getting multiple diagnostic photos. The narrative on this record is
somewhat thin and misleading, and the photos were really necessary as the
truth-tellers. |
Mike
S. |
4 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Diagnostic photos. Dark lores and overall
bold/contrasting facial pattern, combined with a fairly bright yellow
throat, rule out a 'bright' western Warbling Vireo. Structural details
(round head, short bill, short tail) also help to rule out WAVI and other
similar species. |
David
W. |
27 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Although this can be a difficult ID, the photos
capture the relevant field marks, including the dark lores, dark coverts,
and yellower throat than flanks. |
Kevin
W. |
30 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Yellowish throat, dark lores, shortish bill
indicate Philadelphia Vireo. |
2022-44 Boreal
Owl
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
11 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
|
Mike H. |
16 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
This is a species that has been well documented
in the correct, but limited habitat of the Unitas. I feel this is a
species that we may want to consider removing from the review list. |
Max M. |
30 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
8? Holy cow. I guess my only questions are how
long will we be reviewing BOOW records knowing they are residents- just
not well documented, and why put conservative 4 on eBird and 8 on the
record? Does anyone else think those numbers should align? |
Keeli M.. |
12 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Great photos, great owl. |
Bryant
O. |
25 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Photos leave no doubt |
Kris P. |
3 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
4 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Great record! |
David
W. |
27 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Jeff Cooper continues to almost magically find
and spectacularly photograph this species in Utah. Amazing. |
Kevin
W. |
19 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Good photos of a Boreal Owl. |
2022-45 Chestnut-sided
Warbler
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
11 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
|
Mike H. |
27 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Photo clearly shows a CSWA. |
Max M. |
30 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
One of my favorite warblers |
Keeli M.. |
12 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Nice find! Good supporting photos. |
Bryant
O. |
27 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Photos conclusive |
Kris P. |
4 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
7 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Great photos are definitive. |
David
W. |
27 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Looks like an immature male to me. |
Kevin
W. |
19 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Photos depict warbler with greenish crown,
wingbars, and even slightly rufous sides, eliminating other species. |
2022-46 Chestnut-sided
Warbler
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
11 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
|
2nd round:
|
10 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
Continuing to accept -- I agree that while the
photos aren't the greatest, they're diagnostic along with the description |
Mike H. 2nd: |
31 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
The combination of observed field marks does
eliminate other warbler species. |
Max M. |
30 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
This one was not as cooperative as the first as
far as photos, but I was able to get a really good definitive look before
it vanished in the wind. |
2nd round:
|
21 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
I know the photo isn't the best - but I still
think it is definitive Underside is uniform/pale grayish white - which
could potentially be confused with Bay-breasted, Blackpoll, Pine
Golden-winged, or maybe Tennessee. Bay-breasted, Blackpoll, Pine can be
eliminated by yellowish-green tinge on wingbar and color of the back/nape.
Golden-winged has a different wingbar pattern and gray back/nape.
Tennessee eliminated due to presence of a wingbar. No visible streaking of
any kind eliminates many other warblers. Northern Parula would have yellow
in throat. If there is a species that the description and photo do not
eliminate I would be interested in knowing what that may be if this goes
to a third round. |
Keeli M.. |
12 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Wish photo was better, but description is
diagnostic and observers are experienced with ID. |
2nd round:
|
26 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
Continuing to accept based on earlier comments
and agree with others' comments. |
Bryant
O. |
27 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Description conclusive |
2nd round:
|
21 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Photos, although poor, are diagnostic |
Kris P. |
4 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
|
2nd round:
|
25 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
I think Team Malmquist saw and documented enough
to defend the ID. I agree with Max's comment that no other warbler shows
the determining combination of field marks including bright eye-ring (not
eye-arcs); greenish-yellow wing-bars, one of which shows in the photo and
appears bold, not narrow; and pale (but not yellow), unstreaked
under-parts. In addition, Max's extensive experience with this and other
eastern warblers helps offset the short observation time. A good 5-second
view can be enough to observe distinctive features. I have no hesitation
about accepting the record. |
Mike
S. |
7 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Combination of written description and poor
photo establishes the ID. |
2nd round:
|
27 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
No change of opinion, still believe the
documentation is adequate for this species. (comments added 3 Nov
2022) |
David
W. |
27 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
A weak accept on this one. Recommend getting a
better cameraman. |
2nd round:
|
1 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
No new thoughts from the first round. |
Kevin
W. |
19 Oct 2022 |
No, ID |
Other than maybe a little greenish color on the
back, the photo doesn't show much for distinguishing field marks. I
question if there is enough info in the description to eliminate other
species. |
2nd round:
|
28 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
The description in the record is good. The photo
could be better, but Max does a good job in eliminating other
possibilities with it. |
2022-47 Yellow-throated
Vireo
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
11 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Stunner |
Mike H. |
27 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Clear photo. |
Max M. |
30 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
|
Keeli M.. |
12 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Excellent photos. Solid bird. |
Bryant
O. |
27 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Photos conclusive |
Kris P. |
2 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
7 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Nice photos of a distinctive species. |
David
W. |
30 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Nice photos and writeup. Another fine rarity by
Weston from this little-birded spot. |
Kevin
W. |
19 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Good photos showing distinctive Yellow throat. |
2022-48 Tennessee
Warbler
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
11 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Hm, it tough to accept without a photo (seems to
be a recurring thing with this observer) but I think she's safely
eliminated similar species with description. |
2nd round:
|
10 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
I think Mike S put it best, that the majority of
the field marks lean toward TEWA and it's not an exceptionally rare
species for Utah. It's a plausible sighting and the white undertail
coverts are a pretty reliable field mark for the species. |
Mike H. |
31 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Soft accept. Don t want to hold up this record
any longer or be the only reason it s pushed to a 2nd, but kind of hoping
it does. |
2nd round:
|
27 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
My soft accept in the first round was mostly
based on on a few tidbits that probably aren t even criteria for
accept/reject. I too question the fact that this observer reports a TEWA
EVERY Fall while I ve yet to record one in Utah. However, is this enough
to reject a record? I don t think so. I also question the fact that a
photo has never been obtained by the observer that usually has a camera
with them. Again, is this a reason to reject? Probably not. I ve also had
a couple of strange encounters in the field with this observer that, at
those moments, made me question her vision/ID skill level. Also, not
anything strong enough to not allow a record through. I will weigh her
description against itself and accept. |
Max M. |
30 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
I am hesitant to accept this record given the
observer indicates that it was an adult male, but the description seems
like a mish mash of adult and HY field marks, and the one field mark that
is diagnostic for AdM in the fall (blue or gray in the crown) is missing.
Otherwise sounds like a TEWA. If it goes to a 2nd round I am interested in
seeing what other committee members think. |
2nd round:
|
23 Nov 2022 |
No, ID |
I am having a hard time with this record and I am glad that others
expressed concerns in the first round. I agree with Mike S. and Kris
regarding variability with molt and you shouldn't need a camera with
proper documentation. However, this individual has a habit of taking
photos of other people's rare finds, but not her own. I agree that the
description eliminates OCWA but I am concerned with the overall
description and calling it an adult male. In her original eBird Checklist
(https://ebird.org/checklist/S119288197)
the observer's description aligns much better with a HY bird. "Small light
yellow bird with sharp bill, short tail, thin pale eyebrow with visible
eyeline, whitish undertail coverts." No mention of olive. That doesn't
really jive with her report description. Something just isn't sitting
right with me on this one. If you have a camera, you should be able to
document rare birds that you find sometimes. . . even if not always. |
Keeli M.. |
12 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Wish observer got photos, but white under tail
in combination with the other descriptive characteristics is fairly
diagnostic. |
2nd round:
|
26 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
Still think majority of field marks support ID,
still wish observer had photos. |
Bryant
O. |
30 Sep 2022 |
No, ID |
I'm hesitant to accept a record of TEWA without
photos, its all to easy to get a partial look at an OCWA and talk oneself
into believing its a TEWA. OCWA of the west coast race are very TEWA like.
Also this observer reports TEWA every fall, but has never obtained a photo
which seems a bit sketchy. |
2nd round:
|
2 Nov 2022 |
No, ID |
I'm glad to see others have some concerns
similar to mine even if they voted to accept. There are a couple
inconsistencies in the write up, "adult male" because of? And "gray in the
flanks"? Fall TEWA are all yellow on the flanks. Either this observer has
some serious TEWA mojo, like Kris does for PROW or Max does for CSWA, or I
do for BBWA, or somethings amiss(note that all of the other observers
above have provided physical evidence to prove their spirit warbler mojo).
I know this observer carries a camera, I suggest they put more effort into
getting documentation for some of their sightings. As such, wolf can only
be cried so many times. Maybe she saw a TEWA, but she has never proved
that she knows how to tell them from OCWA so I remain skeptical. |
Kris P. |
2 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
|
2nd round:
|
14 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
I think the sum of the observations is weighty
enough in favor of accepting as a Tennessee. I also think it's possible a
Tennessee's appearance in migration could be slightly variable due to the
species' variable pre-basic molt strategy where the molt can be completed
before/during/suspended during/completed after southbound migration. Pyle,
Pt. 1, describes AHY/ASY male with a bluish-gray crown with green
mottling. Observer didn't mention the base color of the crown, but she did
mention olive mottling.
And what Mike S. said regarding carrying a camera. That opinion is near to
my heart because I only digiscope and won't be capturing photos of
warblers any time soon. While I thoroughly understand the comfort of
reviewing diagnostic photos with difficult IDs, I don't want photos
accompanying records to become a UBRC requirement either stated or de
facto except in very unusual circumstances. This is not it. |
Mike
S. |
12 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Written description adequately rules out similar
species. |
2nd round:
|
3 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
This is an interesting discussion. It is indeed
a concern when an observer carries a camera but has a habit of not
providing photos with their records. However, I have a difficult time
using that as a reviewing criteria (especially without knowing if the
observer had their camera with them on this particular day). Lack of
photos aside, if anyone has any firsthand accounts or specific reasons why
we should be skeptical of this observer then I am happy to re-evaluate.
This record is complicated by the fact that this can be a difficult ID (TEWA
vs. OCWA). However, I do believe the majority of the field marks tilt in
favor of TEWA, including the most important ones (particularly the details
of the face and undertail coverts, and apparent lack of breast/flank
streaking). Personally, I don't find it to be an unbelievable circumstance
that someone could have especially good luck finding this species in Utah.
For example, see TEWA records # 2018-52 and 2019-05 from the same location
only about one month apart. If this was an exceptionally rare species I'd
be much more hesitant to accept, but I believe the documentation is
adequate for a semi-regular (albeit rare) migrant. |
David
W. |
4 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Good description. I applaud the precise
description of where the bird was found, and encourage the observer to
include such helpful info in her future eBird posts to enable others to
share in her discoveries. Nice bird which can easily be overlooked. |
2nd round:
|
22 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
Although Bryant brings up some troubling
concerns, I don't have enough information to act on them. I therefore
stick to my original vote. |
Kevin
W. |
19 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Description eliminates similar Orange-crowned
Warbler. |
2nd round:
|
8 Dec 2022 |
Acc |
I agree with others that there are concerns, but
I don't believe they warrant not accepting, if the details provided are
indeed (mostly) accurate. |
2022-49 Great
Crested Flycatcher
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
11 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Another stunner |
Mike H. |
31 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
|
Max M. |
30 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Despite the original observer needing some help
with the ID - good photo documentation and seen by many. I also heard
Suzi's recording of it calling, not sure why she didn't incorporate that
into the record. |
Keeli M.. |
12 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Description doesn't rule out other similar
Myiarchis species, however, pictures show bright white tertials, pale pase
of bill, and more yellow on the upper belly which all support ID as Great
Crested to me. |
Bryant
O. |
30 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
Photos and audio(on eBird) leave no doubt
despite lack of detail in the written record. |
Kris P. |
10 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
12 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
|
David
W. |
30 Sep 2022 |
Acc |
I'll be honest, I was going to vote "No" for
lack of definitive evidence based just on the writeup and first set of
photos (though the olive back was compelling). But the second set of
photos better showed the pale base of the bill to better support the ID
(though Nutting's still had to be considered, eliminated by the broad
white inner tertial edges). Based on the way this is written up, I think
we ought to include Max in the "References counsulted" section. Great
find. |
Kevin
W. |
19 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
I don't have much experience with Great-cresteds,
and wouldn't mind some discussion on distinguishing from Brown-cresteds.
That said, the duller rufous tail with brown sides, brighter yellow belly,
darker gray chest, and the recorded call all seem to point toward
Great-crested for me. |
2022-50 Thick-billed
Kingbird
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
11 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Wowza |
Mike H. |
16 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Well documented rarity. |
Max M. |
1 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
Excellent find |
Keeli M.. |
12 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Great find. Saw this bird myself as well, and it
was truly Thiccc. |
Bryant
O. |
9 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
|
Kris P. |
10 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Terrific find, Bryant; you brought joy to many
with this discovery. |
Mike
S. |
11 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Distinctive species, well-documented by many.
Congrats to Bryant on a great find!
This will apparently be among the northernmost records of this species,
only surpassed by a couple of crazy outliers, according to eBird. |
David
W. |
12 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
One of the most cooperative and photographed
rarities in recent years. Yet another great find by our own Bryant. |
Kevin
W. |
19 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
That's a thick bill! Pretty much eliminates
other possibilities. |
2022-51 Black-throated
Green Warbler
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
2 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
|
2nd round:
|
16 Dec 2022 |
Acc |
While it is odd that a fall warbler would be
singing, I'm convinced by the audio and detailed description. |
Mike H. |
14 Nov 2022 |
To 2nd |
For a first round vote I m going to base my
judgement off of the concrete documentation which is the audio recording.
The tempo seems a little vivace for a Black-throated Green and to me
almost sounds more like the A5 type song of the Hermit Warbler. |
2nd round:
|
15 Dec 2022 |
Acc |
Are there audio recordings that match
Black-throated Green? Yes. Although, I m still puzzled by the song I
referred to in my previous comment. As a whole, I do feel there is a lot
more going for voting to accept than to not. |
Max M. |
24 Oct 2022 |
To 2nd |
This is a weird record. . . To have a fall
warbler sing continuously for a long period of time makes me question the
recording, although local birds are heard in the background. There are
also loud bumps/noises and what sounds like footsteps walking away from
the recording device? Maybe I am just hearing things. The song seems to
match Black-throated Green, but I have been told that there can be overlap
with Hermit, Townsend's Black-throated Green, and that the song isn't
always reliable. They also admit to using callback but then say they don't
use callback when recording? I am on the fence with this one and would
like to hear others thoughts. |
2nd round:
|
19 Dec 2022 |
Acc |
Agree with Kris's write-up, while I still have
concerns with this record I think the information provided is enough to
accept |
Keeli M.. |
10 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
Observers did a thoroughly decent job of
describing the bird they observed and how they ruled out similar species.
Wish they had pics, but based on description I think ID is worth
accepting. |
2nd round:
|
7 Dec 2022 |
Acc |
It is very weird that the warbler was singing
like this in the fall, but I think the description and recording together
rule out other options (including a hybrid). Agree with Kris's comments
that while there do seem to be oddities, based solely on combination of
description and recording, I'm still voting to accept. |
Bryant
O. |
9 Oct 2022 |
To 2nd |
I'm concerned about the potential for confusion
of this species with TOWA X HEWA, especially since that was not considered
in the field during observation, only after the fact. TOWA X HEWA is far
more likely in Utah than BTNW. However, the recording does sound better
for BTNW than TOWA X HEWA, but it is very odd that the bird is singing in
the fall, and there was no mention of the warbler singing in the original
notes on eBird. Full discloser, this record was accepted on eBird,
apparently the observer did not want to submit a record but the reviewer
accepted it anyway, I flagged the media for re-review then discussed the
ID with the eBird reviewer and asked that a record be submitted for such a
rare bird. The eBird notes have since been altered to match the record,
but originally there was no mention of it singing, only "responded to
playback once", which made the recording seem suspect, were they recording
themselves doing playback or was the bird singing? I now wish I would have
taken a screen shot of the original notes. But something seems off here
and I'm eager to hear others thoughts. |
2nd round:
|
19 Dec 2022 |
No, ID |
So many inconsistencies with this record. I'm
most concerned with how much their notes changed on eBird before they
submitted the record to after. They greatly altered their story for the
record, and the recording did not jive with the original notes. I just
can't bring myself to vote for this one due to the changed notes, but
again I wish I would have taken a screen shot of their original notes so
others could see the drastic difference. |
Kris P. |
12 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
I struggled with this record and the
poor-quality audio file and notes that don't match for a long time until I
reviewed Von's Oct 1 eBird checklist reporting this bird. The checklist
includes the same narrative description as in this record, but a
different, shorter and easier-to-listen-to audio file that corresponds
with the narrative description. I agree with the analysis of both the
bird's physical appearance, the audio record and the sonogram in the eBird
checklist. It's unfortunate that the vent area wasn't seen well to assess
the presence of yellow. |
2nd round:
|
2 Dec 2022 |
Acc |
I'm voting to accept again. I think I share
everyone's concerns for the multiple oddities with this record, the
greatest of those being the profuse fall singing. The mis-match of the
descriptive words and the terrible audio file (the words match the audio
file in the eBird checklist, not the one supplied for the record) made the
first-round vote exceptionally difficult until I figured this out. Still,
I can't vote based on oddities or weirdness when I believe the eBird
checklist audio file is accurate for a Black-throated Green as are the
descriptive words, and so the facts support the conclusion. Thanks to
Bryant for mentioning the hybrid possibility; I also believe the written
description rules out a Hermit x Townsend's hybrid. I'm OK with the
elimination of other species occurring after the sighting rather than in
the field. It seems normal to me to analyze a sighting after the fact
possibly with the help of your reference library. Also note that Karen
listed she took notes at the time of the sighting and of course,
documenting immediately helps avoid the pitfall of memory getting muddled
by consulting references. |
Mike
S. |
9 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
There are some strange elements of this record,
which have caused me some concern. A singing fall warbler, way out of
range during migration would seem quite unusual. However, it's difficult
to argue with the audio recording in the eBird checklist.
I was initially worried about the possibility of the observer(s) picking
up their own playback in the recording, but this seems to be addressed in
the write-up. The physical description of the bird seems to rule out
similar species as well. All things considered, I'm having a hard time
finding a good reason to vote against this record. |
2nd round:
|
17 Dec 2022 |
Acc |
This record is odd in all of the ways that have
already been mentioned, and for those reasons I do maintain some degree of
skepticism...
However, the actual documentation is strong enough that I'm continuing to
accept (especially the audio recording, but also the written description
to a lesser degree). I guess we could debate whether the documentation is
believable based on some of the oddities mentioned, but I'm willing to
give the observers the benefit of that doubt. |
David
W. |
19 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
As much as we've been spoiled in recent years
with the inclusion of photos with the records, the writeup here is very
complete. |
2nd round:
|
14 Dec 2022 |
Acc |
I think Kris put it well. |
Kevin
W. |
19 Oct 2022 |
No, ID |
This may have been a Black-throated Green Warbler, but I don't know if
there's enough evidence to prove it. The recording doesn't seem definitive
to me, and the description doesn't do much to eliminate the more expected
Townsend's Warbler. |
2nd round:
|
8 Dec 2022 |
No, ID |
I'm still not convinced that there is enough
evidence to accept this record, and comments on the song by Max, Keeli,
and Bryant cause me hesitation to accept the recording as proof. |
2022-52 Chestnut-sided
Warbler
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
31 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
|
Max M. |
24 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Nice find and documentation |
Keeli M.. |
10 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
Nice photos. |
Bryant
O. |
14 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Nice photos, exceptional year for this species
in Utah |
Kris P. |
10 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
12 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
|
David
W. |
12 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Quite a few of these reported this year. Nice
photos. |
Kevin
W. |
19 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Green cap, bold eyering, wingbars all point to
Chestnut-sided. |
2022-53 Wood Thrush
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
2 Nov 2022 |
No, ID |
I don't think the observer has ruled out other
expected species effectively. Veery should also be considered. |
2nd round:
|
16 Dec 2022 |
No, ID |
Other similar species not effectively ruled out. |
Mike H. |
14 Nov 2022 |
No, ID |
Although the observer may very well have seen a
Wood Thrush, I m not sure that there is enough in the description to
eliminate a more boldly colored subspecies of a Hermit Thrush. |
2nd round:
|
12 Dec 2022 |
No, ID |
Still feel my first round comments are true. |
Max M. |
24 Oct 2022 |
To 2nd |
Not sure Russet-backed Swainson's Thrush can be
eliminated, but other than that not sure what this might be. Interested in
others thoughts. |
2nd round:
|
2 Nov 2022 |
No, ID |
Looks like other committee members share my
concerns about eliminating similar more common species. |
Keeli M.. |
10 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
Hesitant to accept without photo, but seems like
a hard one to mis-ID. |
2nd round:
|
7 Dec 2022 |
No, ID |
After reading everyone else's comments, changing
my vote. I agree that the observer did not adequately rule out other
species, and there is a possibility for mis-ID. |
Bryant
O. |
16 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Hermit thrush seems eliminated so as much as I
wish they had a photo for this level of rarity, I can't imagine what else
it could have been. |
2nd round:
|
29 Nov 2022 |
No, ID |
I agree with others points that other species
not adequately eliminated. Although they claim to be familiar with Hermit
Thrush, I think even a familiar bird in out of context habitat can be
confusing if unexpected. I think with this level of rarity, with no
physical evidence a detailed elimination of all possibilities must be
provided, which was not achieved here. They could have seen a Wood Thrush,
but they didn't prove that beyond a reasonable doubt. |
Kris P. |
17 Oct 2022 |
No, ID |
This is an enticing possibility although the
information is not quite robust enough for me to accept. I don't think a
Veery was ruled out with the words, "orange tinted brown". I think it's
also critical to establish how deeply into the belly the black spots were
to distinguish a Wood Thrush from Catharus sp. thrushes, but the record
describes the spots only as a feature of the breast. |
2nd round:
|
16 Nov 2022 |
No, ID |
I'm staying with my 'not accept' vote. I think
the observer was not familiar with all the possibilities he needed to
eliminate to defend the ID; the descriptive words fit more than the Wood
Thrush. Our collective doubt offered four species more likely. The record
addresses only one of those and we still had doubts about that one. |
Mike
S. |
24 Oct 2022 |
To 2nd |
I'd like to see some discussion on this record.
The written description is not very thorough, and some of the field marks
are fairly ambiguous. I'd like to see more details about the head/face,
and the underparts besides just the "bold spotting". I would also like to
see a more thorough effort to rule out similar species to make sure the
observer is even aware of some of the more likely possibilities,
specifically a Brown Thrasher or Pacific (Russet-backed) Swainson's
Thrush, which may show a reddish tint to the upperparts if viewed in good
light.
There aren't many birds that match the description provided: "...orange
tinted brown on back, dark eyes, white eye rings, very dark distinct spots
on breast..."
However, I'm not certain that this combination is distinctive enough to
accept.
The timing of the observation is consistent with other Wood Thrush records
from southern Nevada and California, Arizona, etc. Ultimately, I'd like to
see others' opinions before making a final decision on this record. |
2nd round:
|
5 Dec 2022 |
No, ID |
I agree that there is too much uncertainty based
on the limited description and the lack of similar species mentioned. |
David
W. |
20 Oct 2022 |
To 2nd |
I am a bit troubled by the half-hearted
treatment in the Similar Species section. I would like to have seen a more
vigorous defense against the possibility of Catharus thrushes (especially
the more reddish Hermit thrushes and Swainson's), mentioning whether the
spotting extended to the face, the shape of the spots, how far down they
extended, were they just dark or actually black. How reddish was that
back? Did the lower back contrast to the tail; and if so, how? Was the
bill thrush shaped? I will likely end up voting for this record in the
second round, but I wanted to see if others were uncomfortable too. (Maybe
I've grown spoiled by all the photos we have received with records
lately.) |
2nd round:
|
14 Dec 2022 |
No, ID |
OK, I'll succumb to my doubts, seeing as they appear to be shared by
others on the Committee. |
Kevin
W. |
19 Oct 2022 |
No, ID |
I don't think enough description is given to
eliminate more expected Hermit Thrush (although the observer seems to know
Hermit Thrushes). The reddish back, dark spots, and eyering could just as
well describe Hermit (or Swainson's) Thrush. |
2nd round:
|
8 Dec 2022 |
No, ID |
I don't think that the observer provides enough
detail to eliminate other, more expected, species. |
2022-54 Zone-tailed
Hawk
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
2 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
|
Mike H. |
14 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
|
Max M. |
24 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Nice photo and documentation from one of our own |
Keeli M.. |
10 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
Nice diagnostic photo. |
Bryant
O. |
14 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Photos leave no doubt |
Kris P. |
17 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
20 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
|
David
W. |
12 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Nice record. |
Kevin
W. |
24 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Photo shows wing and tail pattern of Zone-tailed
Hawk. |
2022-55 Boreal
Owl
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
2 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
|
Mike H. |
16 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
As stated previously, this is a species that we
may want to remove from the review list. This record only strengthens that
notion with them being found in multiple drainages. |
Max M. |
24 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Not sure we need to review records of BOOW from
the Uintas at this point |
Keeli M.. |
10 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
Finding them all over the place this year up
there! |
Bryant
O. |
17 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
|
Kris P. |
17 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
20 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Another great Boreal Owl record.
Regarding some previous comments on the potential of removing this species
from the review list:
In my opinion, we should gather more records over a longer period of time
before that happens. The majority of our 'accepted' records have come
since 2019 (same can be said for records on eBird). I have little doubt
that this is mostly a result of increasing observer coverage. However,
don't think it hurts to continue gathering records, just in case the
recent uptick of observations is a short-term/temporary surge. Luckily,
Jeff has made his records very easy to review with his awesome photos. |
David
W. |
19 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Another amazing photo from Jeff Cooper.
-
I wonder whether this is now an adequately documented species in this area
and should be taken off the review list for the Murdock Basin area. Jeff
apparently has no problem finding them and getting them to pose in pines. |
Kevin
W. |
28 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Photos show diagnostic field marks of Boreal
Owl. |
2022-56 Red
Phalarope
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
2 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
|
Mike H. |
27 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
|
Max M. |
24 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Although the photo isn't the best - looks good
for a REPH with supporting description. |
Keeli M.. |
10 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
Stout short bill, clean gray back and photos all
support ID |
Bryant
O. |
20 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
|
Kris P. |
2 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
Structure of the species described in the
narrative is evident in the photos, and together they easily eliminate the
Red-necked. |
Mike
S. |
3 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
Nice documentation eliminates similar species. |
David
W. |
10 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
Although I have a couple of small concerns about
this record, I think the photos and description do indicate a Red
phalarope. The bill shape, uniform gray back, and wing bars all point to a
REPH.
My concerns are that the rump was described as gray when it is shown as
black in field guides. The other is the forehead was described as white
but this bird looked as if it might still have some of its breeding colors
because the dark on the forehead came down more than one might expect
considering the rest of the plumage was so far along into its molt. |
Kevin
W. |
28 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Stout bill and facial and back patterns
distinguish this from other phalaropes. |
2022-57 Boreal
Owl
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
2 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
|
Mike H. |
14 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
|
Max M. |
24 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
|
Keeli M.. |
10 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
Nice photo |
Bryant
O. |
21 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Good photos. We could probably stop reviewing
this species in the Uintas, but they still need to be reviewed in the rest
of the state. |
Kris P. |
17 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
20 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Another great Boreal Owl record.
(also, see my comment on record # 2022-55) |
David
W. |
19 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Another amazing photo from Jeff Cooper. |
Kevin
W. |
28 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
How many Boreal Owls can one birder find in a
season?? Good photo. |
2022-58 Boreal
Owl
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
2 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
|
Mike H. |
14 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
|
Max M. |
24 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
|
Keeli M.. |
10 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
BOOW all over the place. Nice sighting. |
Bryant
O. |
21 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
good Photos |
Kris P. |
2 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
It's a pleasure to participate in the formality
of accepting another of Jeff's records on this species. His efforts to
document the species in Utah are pushing the boundaries of what we know
about range and especially, occurrence. |
Mike
S. |
20 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Another great Boreal Owl record.
I'm fine with combining the two sight records since the locations were
relatively close. I would recommend including those distance details in
the record summary.
(also, see my comment on record # 2022-55) |
David
W. |
19 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Another amazing photo from the owl whisperer. |
Kevin
W. |
15 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
More good Boreal Owl records, and more than
likely represent separate individuals, based on distance. |
2022-59 Yellow-billed
Loon
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
2 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
|
2nd round:
|
16 Dec 2022 |
No, ID |
I agree that the record is a bit muddled. The
first bird appears to be a common; the bill seems rather thin for a
Yellow-billed. And the culmen is mostly dark. In photos C & D we see no
discreet auricular patch that I'd expect to see on a Yellow-billed in this
plumage. The third set of photos show a little bit more detail, but I
don't think we can rule out common here either. No auricular patch, mostly
dark culmen. And in the photo where we can see the chin clearly, I don't
see chin feathering extending
to point below posterior edge of nostril. I don't think Common can
effectively be ruled out here. |
Mike H. |
27 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
I believe this record was initially muddled a
bit as a few photos of a Common Loon were being reported as the bird in
question. Bill, back pattern, forehead shape check, check, and check. |
2nd round:
|
26 Dec 2022 |
No, ID |
I might be letting my memory get the best of me,
but I swear I saw reports of this observation on eBird that looked good
for YBLO. However, the photos attached do indeed look better for a COLO
and everyone else seems to agree. |
Max M. |
24 Oct 2022 |
No, ID |
I don't see why this isn't just a palish Common
Loon with a pale bill/overexposed photos? Color still doesn't seem right. |
2nd round:
|
19 Dec 2022 |
No, ID |
Thanks to Bryant and Kris for the thorough
breakdown, I continue to believe that the bird(s) photographed and
provided as documentation show COLO. |
Keeli M.. |
12 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
Nice find! Good supporting photos and
descriptions. Very large pale bill. |
2nd round:
|
28 Dec 2022 |
No, ID |
I echo Kevin's comments. Confused by this
record, and think that more than one bird is represented in the photos,
but after reading everyone's comments and taking a closer look, agree that
common loon is not ruled out. |
Bryant
O. |
20 Oct 2022 |
No, ID |
Loon in this record looks much better for a
juvenile Common, dark head with notable collar in neck, smallish silvery
bill. Dave Hanscom's Loon photos (which may or may not be the same Loon)
also seems to show an overexposed Common. Lauri Taylor/David Wheelers
photos and description the most Yellow-billed like, but again the head
seems too dark with a notable collar on the neck and bill color hard to
judge in poor lighting. Also note timing, YBLO are very late migrants and
most records in lower 48 after Nov. 1st, all fall records in Utah after
Nov. 16th. |
2nd round:
|
29 Nov 2022 |
No, ID |
I believe all photos provided on this record,
including Lauri Taylor's, show a Common Loon. the head and neck are just
too dark for a YBLO, which should not show a clear partial neck collar.
Structurally it fits better a Common as well, and the bill is within range
of Common. Full disclosure, Dave Hanscom sent me his photos after
originally finding it, asking my opinion. The next day I went and looked
for it and found the loon he saw, working the inlet shoreline. I watched
it for over an hour, an although it spent most of its time diving, I came
away with the impression it was not a YBLO. This can be a tricky ID,
either poor light or too much light, can make a Common look Yellow-billed.
But the all dark culmen in all photos pretty much makes it a Common.
Hybrid COLO X YBLO are known, and I don't know what they look like, but
really this looks like a solid Common to me. |
Kris P. |
8 Nov 2022 |
No, ID |
An odd bird, not fitting well in either
Yellow-billed or Common Loon camp, but slightly favoring Common Loon due
to structure. I don't think the size of the bill is outside the range of
the Common Loon even though it's atypical. And despite the description of
the bill as all-pale, multiple photos show a dark area on the culmen that
I can't all brush off as shadows. The bird's slimmer neck appears to favor
the Common more, rather than the thicker neck of the Yellow-billed. While
the smudgy brownish color favors Yellow-billed, the darkness of the head
and neck along with the striking pattern of contrast of white triangle
above the broken neck-collar favors Common. Finally, the bridled back
favors Yellow-billed. I see conflicts between the descriptive words and
the bird's appearance in the photos. For this bird to be definitively ID'd,
I think photos of significantly better quality and detail are necessary
and therefore, it's best to leave this bird as a loon sp. I don't see
compelling enough evidence to identify this as a Yellow-billed.
I find record 2022-59 (not 2022-59a) to be an oddity. This is another
record only partly documented, and with some of the simplest and most
straightforward fields left blank. I don't understand a willingness to
contribute to the state's database of rare birds and then give incomplete
information, which makes me distrust the remainder of that sight record.
In addition, the submitter was not able to identify the bird himself due
to distance, heat distortion and lighting angle, but chose to claim
"discovering" the bird four days later after another birder proposed an
ID. My impression is that the purpose of the sight record was to claim
seeing a rare bird first, because the credibility of the limited
information submitted was seriously flawed. |
2nd round:
|
1 Dec 2022 |
No, ID |
I'm doubling down on my first-round opinion
because I've come to believe the photos depict at least two different
birds. I think photos A-D depict a Common Loon due to the smaller bill
structurally right for a Common, dark culmen and more delicate head and
neck. Photos E-H depict a loon with some intermediate characters between
the two species not convincing enough to label it a Yellow-billed.
I can only vote on what's presented here in the record as I think that's
the level playing field from which we have to operate (no shade intended
toward those of you who saw the bird in person). |
Mike
S. |
22 Nov 2022 |
No, ID |
I'm having a difficult time calling this a
Yellow-billed Loon with any degree of confidence. I'm also not convinced
that all of the photos are even showing the same individual.
I believe that the jagged, heavily contrasting neck markings look better
for a Common Loon, and I'm not sure we have a great handle on the actual
bill color/shape based on the quality of these photos and various lighting
conditions.
I'm seeing too much uncertainty here to accept, and I have doubts that
anything is outside of range of variation for a Common Loon. |
2nd round:
|
17 Dec 2022 |
No, ID |
I appreciate the description in David's
comments, which admittedly sounds better for a Yellow-billed Loon than
anything included in the actual record. However, I agree with others that
the documentation provided is less than definitive for a YBLO, and I'd
lean towards a COLO based on all of the photos. |
David
W. |
25 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
I don't know what to think of this record.
On one hand, the photos other than Lauri Taylor's look marginal at best
for Yellow-billed loon (being taken at great distance). On the other hand,
Dave Hanscom, who took some of those marginal photos, must have seen the
bird that Lauri (and I) saw -- as his eBird report was the one that caused
Lauri & me to go up in the first place. The idea that he did not see a
Yellow-billed loon and that we did is therefore very unlikely indeed. So I
am put in an odd position of voting on what Lauri & I saw/photographed and
the written description of what the others reported (not necessarily their
photos). I will refer to this agglomeration of field marks as "our loon."
I may be crossing over into advocacy here, for which I apologize,
especially since I did not submit a report myself.
Our loon had the following field marks:
-- a very blocky head with two very prominent bulges above the eyes
(greater than any I have ever noticed on a Common loon). I know most birds
can alter the contour of their heads to some degree (as, notoriously, do
the scaup), but this loon maintained the blocky head shape consistently.
-- the bill was very pale in a yellowish hue rather than the pale silvery
hue often displayed by Common loons). This was visible through the scope
even though the loon was somewhat backlit by the morning sun (though at a
high angle and behind the mountains). Lauri returned later that day with
another friend just before Bryant showed up and saw what they say was the
same loon on the northern portion of the reservoir (not surprising--we all
know loons are very quick swimmers and often move around). This 2nd
sighting was several hours later and the sun had moved to a better angle,
allowing the loon (which apparently was very close to the shore by the
dam) to be seen in good light. Lauri reports that the bill was clearly
yellow.
-- the shape and size of the bill was consistent with the National
Geographic field guide illustrations for the Yellow-billed loon. The
Common loons on the reservoir that day had smaller, thinner bills with
less an
upslanted
tip to the lower mandible. This was sadly
not captured well in most of the photos, though some of Lauri's photos and
Dave's photo C show it fairly well (as affirmed by a better birder than
myself, a fellow veteran of this Committee).
-- the color of the head and neck was pale brown, a warmer tone than the
Common loons in the area. It is unfortunate that Lauri's photos were taken
in the cold light of dawn, somewhat backlit, and that there were no Common
loons in those photos for comparison. They don't fully capture this warmer
hue. Dave and Ben both subsequently reported this phenomenon in their
reports as well (much to my relief). I think our loon was comparable to
the photo of an immature bird shown in Wikimedia (and Dave Hanscom agreed
that this corresponds to what he saw too):
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Yellow-billed_Loon.jpg
-- it held its bill above horizontal much of the time (though it kept
diving and would look down before each dive).
-- others (including David H) reported our loon looked larger than the
nearby Common loons. Of course, like us, he did not have side-by side
comparison. This loon appeared to be a bit of a loner compared to the
other loons on the reservoir, who often congregated into small groups.
In summation, I feel very confident we saw a Yellow-billed loon, fairly
comfortable from Dave Hanscom's description that he saw one, and a little
less comfortable that Ben saw one because he relies on the descriptions of
Dave. But, seeing as I do believe the loon was there in mid October, I
won't veto Ben's record for leaning a bit too heavily on the report of one
of the state's premier birders (Dave the First of Summit County). |
2nd round:
|
29 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
I have nothing to add to my first round comments
other than to say I think Mike got it just right. I agree there are some
photos of a common loon muddling the record. |
Kevin
W. |
15 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
Pale, upturned bill makes it look like a
Yellow-billed Loon to me. |
2nd round:
|
8 Dec 2022 |
No, ID |
What seemed like a straightforward "accept"
turns out not to be. After reading others' comments and looking more
closely at the photos and field marks, I agree with others that it just
doesn't seem completely consistent with Yellow-billed. |
2022-60 Palm
Warbler
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
2 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
|
Mike H. |
27 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
|
Max M. |
24 Oct 2022 |
Acc |
Good documentation photos |
Keeli M.. |
12 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
Combination of characteristics narrow down
possibilities here. Good photos. |
Bryant
O. |
1 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
Good photos |
Kris P. |
14 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
An excellent team effort by these two birders.
Well-seen, nicely photographed and thoroughly researched. |
Mike
S. |
22 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
Photos show a Palm Warbler. |
David
W. |
1 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
Nice photos of the bird in the Tamarisk. I
especially appreciate photo E of the tail underside pattern. Odd that the
tail bobbing was not noted, but I suppose different folks focus on
different things. |
Kevin
W. |
15 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
Bright yellow rump and undertail coverts, dark
and white tail pattern, streaked chest, brown on the crown all point
toward Palm Warbler. |
2022-61 Tennessee
Warbler
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
2 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
Although no photo was provided, I think the
observer did a good job of ruling out other species in the description. |
2nd round:
|
16 Dec 2022 |
Acc |
I could see how if you have a highly contrasting
gray head, how the back could be seen as "lime" green. I think the
observer was clarifying that it looked bright instead of a dull or olive
green. I think the lack of wingbars or eyering would rule out
chestnut-sided. While undertail coverts would rule out Orange-crowned.
Although I would love to have seen photos, I'm giving the record the
benefit of the doubt. |
Mike H. |
15 Dec 2022 |
Acc |
Soft accept. |
2nd round:
|
6 Jan 2023 |
No, ID |
My soft accept in the first round was giving the descriptor some
latitude with the Lime Green depiction. However, after reading other s
comments with the same heed, I will lean No, ID. |
Max M. |
22 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
Interested to know the experience of the other
observers who independently ID'd this bird. If this goes to a second
round, maybe we can learn a bit more from our Washington Co. reps and
whether or not they asked for a supplemental record? |
2nd round:
|
22 Jan 2023 |
No, ID |
I was on the fence
in the first round, and other's comments have swayed me to change my vote
to no based on the record itself, even if others may have seen a TEWA in
the area. |
Keeli M.. |
12 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
Description is supportive of ID and ruling out
other species. |
2nd round:
|
28 Dec 2022 |
Acc |
Agree that lime green is an odd descriptor, but
also agree with Stephanie's comment that observer was trying to
differentiate from olive green. Sibley's description is "bright green"
even though TEWA look greenish yellow to me, so I'm wondering if that's
where the observer is getting that language from. I think the other
options are fairly solidly ruled out even if there's some inconsistencies
in the description, and I'm also giving the observer the benefit of the
doubt on this one. |
Bryant
O. |
1 Nov 2022 |
No, ID |
I'm confused by their description of "lime
Green" upper and crown with white belly and no yellow? Fall TEWA are a
lemony yellow on the breast, belly and yellowish on the back and crown,
not "lime green". Males in alternate plumage in the spring can have a
greenish back and white belly, but they have a gray head. I don't know
what they saw, but it doesn't sound like a fall TEWA to me. |
2nd round:
|
19 Dec 2022 |
No, ID |
Continuing to have concerns about their
description which doesn't match a fall TEWA, glad some others feel the
same. |
Kris P. |
14 Nov 2022 |
No, ID |
I can't reconcile the description of the color
as "bright lime-green" and the bill as "long" with the ID of Tennessee
Warbler. On my bird color wheel, bright lime green is a Chestnut-sided
Warbler color, and a long warbler bill is a
Yellow-throated/Black-and-White/Prothonotary/waterthrush. And no yellow,
not even a wash, does not seem quite right on a fall bird. That the bird
had white under-tail coverts is helpful, but not enough to overcome the
troubling details. |
2nd round:
|
27 Dec 2022 |
No, ID |
No change in opinion on this one. A few things
are amiss.. |
Mike
S. |
30 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
I believe the description is adequate for an
adult Tennessee Warbler. This bird was also reported by Steve & Cindy
Sommerfeld in our local texting group (they may have been with the Audubon
group mentioned in this sight record). I tried chasing that evening with
no luck. |
2nd round:
|
17 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
While some of the concerns with this record are
valid, I still believe the combination of field marks establishes the ID
of a TEWA and rules out an OCWA (the most likely species to present
confusion).
I'm not overly concerned about the "lime green" description because of the
points made by Stephanie and Keeli. Color descriptions are fairly
subjective and "yellow" to one person may be "green" to another. I believe
that the intent was to describe "bright" upperparts, which would be more
consistent with a TEWA than an OCWA.
"Whitish-gray" underparts with "no yellow" would be a bit unusual for an
October bird. But I can find examples of TEWA at this time of year with
underparts that are at least mostly "whitish-gray."
See an
example here:
I do have some reservations about the described crown color, plus David's
comment about the eyeline, and Kris's comment about the bill. But I still
believe the record includes the most important field marks for a TEWA. |
David
W. |
10 Nov 2022 |
To 2nd |
I have some concerns about this record,
though not to the point where I wish to vote NO in the first round:
-- BRIGHT lime green back? I guess some might describe it that way in
bright sun...
-- No yellow on a fall bird? Not even a wash?
-- Differentiating from Orange crowned by saying it lacked that species'
dark eyeline? If anything, the opposite is true. This is what troubles me
the most. |
2nd round:
|
22 Dec 2022 |
No, ID |
I'm still left with doubt on this one. |
Kevin
W. |
15 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
The description seems to be good for a Tennessee
Warbler. |
2nd round:
|
19 Dec 2022 |
No, ID |
Others' points are right. The description is
off. Enough so, that I'm not sure they knew what they were seeing. I also
knew about the Somerfelds' Tennessee Warbler, but I don't think I can
assume that this was the same bird based on what was described. |
2022-62 Red
Phalarope
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
10 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
Seems right for Red |
2nd round:
|
16 Dec 2022 |
No, ID |
Re-evaluating this record, I agree it looks more like a red-necked. |
Mike H. |
15 Dec 2022 |
No, ID |
|
2nd round:
|
6 Jan 2023 |
No, ID |
Agree that this
appears to be a RNPH. |
Max M. |
22 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
|
2nd round:
|
19 Dec 2022 |
No, ID |
I think I was duped by the quality of the photos. The angle of the bill to
me gives the appearance of short/stout like a REPH, and maybe my
colorblindness played a role in photo A1, on my computer screen it looks
like there is a pale bill-base, but based on others' comments maybe it is
an artifact of the image and has to do with the increased contrast. Image
A also threw me off, the back looks plain gray but Bryant makes a good
point about the white. Also agree with others regarding stage of
molt/plumage for the time of year, and the red on the neck is
inconclusive. You would think that this bird would look more like the one
Bryant found a week later at the same location during the shorebird
survey. Changing my vote to no. |
Keeli M.. |
1 Nov 2022 |
To 2nd |
|
2nd round:
|
28 Dec 2022 |
No, ID |
Record and photos
are confusing and inconclusive to me and do not rule out Red-necked
Phalarope. |
Bryant
O. |
1 Nov 2022 |
No, ID |
The photo shows 2 Red-necked, no Red. Size can
be deceptive, age, sex and individual variation can make one look bigger
or smaller, even posture and behavior too. No pale in the bill base, and
bill too long for Red. Red can show black and gold(juvy) streaking on the
back, but not white as their Phalarope has. |
2nd round:
|
19 Dec 2022 |
No, ID |
Still think it
looks better for a Red-necked |
Kris P. |
2 Nov 2022 |
No, ID |
I'm sorry to conclude that this record is
a mishmash of weak details, confusing details, and good details. I find
the general description of the bird with white underparts and neck with
gray upperparts with faint rufous wash on front of neck not to be distinct
enough from the Red-necked Phalarope to be helpful. It's confusing to me
the stress on the term 'broad' to describe the bill and 'quite stout' to
describe the body. Picking this bird out of a mixed flock that includes
Wilson's Phalaropes due to the subject's relatively large and wide-bodied
appearance doesn't make sense given that the Wilson's is a larger species.
On the good side, the appearance of the plain gray back lacking streaking
falls in line with what a Red Phalarope should look like. In addition, the
elimination of other species has a succinct statement that somewhat defies
the sense of the mish-mash.
I found the photo to be inconclusive.
I called up the Aug 5 eBird checklist that must have caught Colby's
attention with the initial report of the bird. To add to the confusion,
the observers reported the bird as a Red Phalarope, but entertained the
idea that it could be a weird-plumaged Wilson's. So, no help there.
I can't disregard the weak and confusing details of this record that don't
support the conclusion in favor of a couple that do support the
conclusion, especially given that the observers seemed to have a good view
and took notes while they watched. |
2nd round:
|
16 Dec 2022 |
No, ID |
The first-round
comments added weight to my substantial doubts about this record. No,
again. |
Mike
S. |
30 Nov 2022 |
No, ID |
This appears to be a Red-necked Phalarope. When
seeing this record, my first concern was the date, as August 5 is pushing
the very early end of the 'expected' date range of this species in the
fall. The photo shows a bird that is clearly in mostly basic plumage. I
would expect a REPH to be retaining more breeding plumage at this date
(similar to the bird in record # 2022-37). The bill shape is difficult to
assess based on the only angle we have, and I see no sign of the paler
base to the lower mandible (and this is not noted in the description).
This combination points to a Red-necked Phalarope. |
2nd round:
|
5 Jan 2022 |
No, ID |
Good points made
by others only boosts my confidence that this is a Red-necked Phalarope.
|
David
W. |
10 Nov 2022 |
No, ID |
I don't know. The photo and writeup don't seem
to quite jive. The back seems streaky, the bill seems fairly long & thin.
It does seem larger than the phalarope next to it. The reddish fringe on
the neck doesn't help the case, as juvenile RN phalaropes also have that. |
2nd round:
|
22 Dec 2022 |
No, ID |
I still think this is a likely Red-necked
phalarope. |
Kevin
W. |
15 Nov 2022 |
No, ID |
The phalarope in the photos shows a few things
that I think indicate that it is not a Red. First, the bill (although the
angle is difficult) appears long, and not bicolored. Second, the molt of
this bird is weird for a red; Red's should molt gradually over their body.
This bird, if it were a Red, would have a completely molted head from
alternate into basic, while the back doesn't have the plain-gray feathers
that a Red should. There are no golden feathers on the back, as there are
in a Red's alternate plumage. There is some deep red color, but I assume
this is an artifact of the photo (I don't think either species would have
that deep red on the back, but Reds never have any red on the back). I
couldn't find any photos of Red Phalarope in molt that resembled this bird
(atlhough there are some fine photos here:
https://ornithologi.com/2015/08/12/plumage-in-transition-red-phalarope-pre-basic-molt/
); but I do see Red-neckeds that look similar. Size-wise, it does appear
that this bird is bigger than the other (red-neck) in the photo, but I
think that could be a factor of fluffing feathers, or angle, or something
else. |
2nd round:
|
19 Dec 2022 |
No, ID |
I still think the photographed bird is a
red-necked phalarope, and the description isn't good enough to convince
otherwise. |
2022-63 Mexican
Duck
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
16 Dec 2022 |
Acc |
While the primaries do seem a bit dark, I don't
see curling in the tail; I'll call it "pure enough" to accept. |
Mike H. |
15 Dec 2022 |
Acc |
|
Max M. |
22 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
|
Keeli M.. |
26 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
Photos and description supportive of ID. |
Bryant
O. |
11 Nov 2022 |
Ace |
I don't see any curl to the tail and tail looks
brown. Would like to see rump but overall looks Mexican |
Kris P. |
1 Dec 2022 |
Ace |
|
Mike
S. |
5 Dec 2022 |
Ace |
Photos appear to show a Mexican Duck.
As we've discussed before, it's possible or perhaps even likely that even
the most phenotypically pure-looking birds we get in Utah are not truly
'pure' Mexican Ducks. We may be able to nit-pick this individual, but no
obvious Mallard features jump out, and I believe it's on par with records
we have accepted previously. |
David
W. |
14 Dec 2022 |
Ace |
Tail, bill, color. Looks good enough despite
some grayish wash on the lower back (a hint of male Mallard). |
Kevin
W. |
8 Dec 2022 |
Ace |
I think that this bird shows the traits that
have come to be consistent with accepted records of Mexian Duck, i.e. lack
of curl of tail feathers, dark undertail coverts, yellow bill, distinct
change of color between neck and breast, dark crown and eye-line. |
2022-64 Yellow-billed
Loon
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
16 Dec 2022 |
Acc |
Does have that smaller-eyed look and the top
mandible doesn't have that dark ridge all the way down. |
Mike H. |
15 Dec 2022 |
Acc |
|
Max M. |
22 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
|
Keeli M.. |
26 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
Descriptions and photos are supportive of ID.
Big chunky loon with a big chunky pale yellow bill. |
Bryant
O. |
20 Nov 2022 |
Acc |
|
Kris P. |
1 Dec 2022 |
Ace |
A nice, clean bird that could have been the
specimen for a field guide description. |
Mike
S. |
17 Dec 2022 |
Ace |
Nice record with definitive photos. |
David
W. |
14 Dec 2022 |
Acc |
Looks like a solid record. |
Kevin
W. |
18 Dec 2022 |
Ace |
This bird looks to be more a straight-forward
Yellow-billed Loon that the previous record that had me confused. |
2022-65 Brown-capped
Rosy-Finch
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
16 Dec 2022 |
To 2nd |
I don't know, I'm seeing a fairly clear gray
crown, but want to see what others say. |
Mike H. |
6 Jan 2023 |
No, ID |
I m having trouble deciphering the exact angle
of the head in both photos and maybe I m just not seeing what is actually
present, but I don t like the lack of darker crown feathers. It appears
that other than the fore crown, the gray is uniform in color? I believe
this is indicative of a first Winter Interior form of Gray-crowned? |
2nd round:
|
30 Jan 2023 |
No, ID |
|
Max M. |
19 Dec 2022 |
Acc |
|
2nd round:
|
6 Feb 2023 |
No, ID |
On closer inspection and based on other
reviewers comments, I agree that this is an immature bird and does not
rule out GCRF. Changing my vote to no. |
Keeli M.. |
28 Dec 2022 |
Acc |
The photos had me looking pretty closely, but
gray-crowned are ruled out and the description supports ID as brown-capped
to me. |
2nd round:
|
28 Jan 2023 |
No, ID |
Despite voting to accept in the first round, I
really struggled with the photos and after reading everyone's comments I'm
changing my mind and agreeing that hatch year GCRF is not ruled out. |
Bryant
O. |
30 Nov 2022 |
No, ID |
I believe this species is expected annually in
decent numbers in eastern Utah, and this observer has a good track record
of observing this species, however I don't think this individual is
without a doubt a Brown-capped. Before was can assess the head pattern, we
need to know the age of the bird, Hatch year or adult? There is no mention
of this in the record and angles of photos don't help. However, from what
I can see this looks like a HY. Many HY GCRF have a similar crown pattern
to this bird, and although some adult male BCRF can have some gray in the
crown edges, I would expect them the be richer brown and pink. This is a
very tricky ID and every year I see a few HY GCRF that show this head
pattern, but HY BCRF should have no gray in the crown at all. This could
be a HY GCRF. |
2nd round:
|
6 Jan 2023 |
No, ID |
I see no strong argument this is a Brown-capped,
and think hatch year GCRF is not ruled out. |
Kris P. |
5 Dec 2022 |
No, ID |
Not enough information in words or photos to
distinguish this bird from a Gray-crowned Rosy-finch. The ID appears to
rest solely on the crown plumage, which looks solidly gray aft of the dark
fore-crown rather than more mottled as I'd expect for a Brown-capped. With
this doubt, I'd need an incontrovertible description or photos of strongly
pink side plumage. |
2nd round:
|
10 Jan 2023 |
No, ID |
I also consider this observer to be careful and
competent, and expect him/the location/the timing likely to produce
Brown-capped Rosy-finches. But I can't quite embrace the Brown-capped ID
with this record. I see many adult Gray-crowns at close range on
twice-weekly winter surveys or in the hand on 6-8 banding days per winter
that are a rich, warm, brown that would fit the color described. Given
that the crown pattern shown in the photos favors Gray-crowned more, I
don't think Gray-crowned has been ruled out. |
Mike
S. |
31 Dec 2022 |
No, ID |
Gray-crowned Rosy-Finch cannot be ruled out by
the photos or description. The Similar Species section somewhat
contradicts the photos, in my opinion (I'm seeing an obvious gray crown
with more contrast that I'd expect for a Brown-capped Rosy-Finch). |
2nd round:
|
9 Jan 2023 |
No, ID |
Again, I'm not seeing evidence to support the ID
of a Brown-capped. I agree with others that this is likely a hatch-year
Gray-crowned. |
Mark
S. 2nd: |
19 Jan 2023 |
No, ID |
The coldness of the brown and the lack of rosy
color suggest an immature bird to me, and given the difficulty of
distinguishing Brown-capped and Gray-crowned Rosy-Finch immatures, I can't
see enough evidence here to make a positive identification. |
David
W. |
31 Dec 2022 |
No, ID |
I have often voted for the records of this
species submitted by this observer in the past, but I don't think there is
enough evidence in this particular record of the breast/belly rosiness I
think is required to eliminate the possibility of juvenile Gray-crowned. |
2nd round:
|
6 Jan 2023 |
No, ID |
I still believe the record does not adequately
dispense with the possibility of this bird being a juvenile Gray-crowned
rosy-finch. |
Kevin
W. |
19 Dec 2022 |
Acc |
The bird in the photographs is definitely more
brown that even most Brown-capped are, I think. I don't think it could be
anything else. |
2nd round:
|
13 Jan 2023 |
No, ID |
HY Gray-crowned not eliminated. |
2022-66 Yellow-bellied
Sapsucker
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
16 Dec 2022 |
Acc |
Good clear record |
Max M. |
19 Dec 2022 |
Acc |
|
Keeli M.. |
28 Dec 2022 |
Acc |
Photos and description support ID and help rule
out red-naped or hybrid. |
Bryant
O. |
8 Dec 2022 |
Acc |
|
Kris P. |
18 Dec 2022 |
Acc |
The obvious juvenal plumage combined with late
fall date are compelling, along with the lack of characters that would
imply Red-naped parentage. Esther Sumner happened to capture the LOWER
black frame of the red throat in a photo she posted in her Dec 10 eBird
checklist. That feature is helpful to know but hard to see and photograph
given sapsuckers are often high obscuring especially the lower frame of
the throat. |
Mike
S. |
5 Jan 2022 |
Acc |
Nice photos and written documentation. |
David
W. |
14 Dec 2022 |
Acc |
Retaining extensive juvenile plumage into
December is pretty definitive. Also, the pattern of crown molt supports
this ID. |
Kevin
W. |
19 Dec 2022 |
Acc |
Looks good for a Yellow-bellied to me. I think
that other species, and even hybrids can be eliminated by the description
and photos. |
2022-67 Snowy Owl
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
16 Dec 2022 |
To 2nd |
Pushing through to second to give us some time
to see if anyone else can re-find it. The description sounds like a Snowy
Owl with those yellow-eyes and dark spots. But it's unfortunate that no
photos were taken, even with a cell phone, from such a close distance to
confirm. Also unfortunate that the observer approached and flushed it. |
Mike H. |
26 Dec 2022 |
To 2nd |
My confidence in the accuracy of the human
eye/mind seeing size and color has been greatly reduced after watching a
documentary about this topic. The one field mark that I always look for
when a report of a SNOW comes along is the facial disk. Again, no mention
of this field mark. For the date, the amount of snow the W has received,
the absurdly cold late Fall, and the habitat, a Snowy Owl being seen would
not be the craziest thing. However, I do feel that a skewed memory of what
was seen by an inexperienced observer may be the more likely culprit. |
2nd round:
|
6 Jan 2023 |
No, ID |
Well, it looks as though my concerns align with
others. |
Max M. |
19 Dec 2022 |
No, ID |
While the description provided supports Snowy
Owl, this is not an irruption year for this species, with the closest
recent sighting in northern Montana. Wonder if the headlights hitting the
eyes made them appear yellow? Lack of detail in the record is concerning.
|
2nd round:
|
6 Feb 2023 |
No, ID |
Looks like we are all on the same page with this
record. |
Keeli M.. |
28 Dec 2022 |
No, ID |
Not accepting due to admitted low light
conditions of observation as well as lack of detail and no experience
noted in record ruling out other species. Could eyes appearing yellow be a
product headlight reflection? If they were truly yellow, it would rule out
Barn Owl, but not rule out a pale Short-eared Owl to me. |
2nd round:
|
28 Jan 2023 |
No, ID |
Looks like everyone pretty much agrees on this
one. No change to my vote. |
Bryant
O. |
15 Dec 2022 |
No, ID |
Many problems with this record, but owl
described as 1 foot tall is not a Snowy, they are big. I see no reason
this is not a Barn Owl which apparently was not considered. A Barn Owl in
head lights on the side of a road at dusk can look very white. This seems
to be a common pitfall as so may non-birders claim to see Snowy Owls as
illustrated here |
2nd round:
|
6 Jan 2023 |
No, ID |
Seems we are all mostly on the same page that
this record does not prove they saw a Snowy. |
Kris P. |
27 Dec 2022 |
No, ID |
The scant observation details are not enough to
overcome my serious doubt about this sighting given that it's profoundly
unlikely in a non-irruption year for Snowy Owls in the west, and the bird
is an even less-likely female (it's not clear how the observer determined
the age and sex). None of the factors that would help bolster a sighting
of an extreme rarity are here, either. |
2nd round:
|
6 Jan 2023 |
No, ID |
I actually thought this record was a scam, at
first, designed to punk the records committee. False reports have
precedence in the Utah birding community written by knowledgeable birders
with adolescent inclinations to fool others. I'm sorry that these
incidents have made me cynical and made me question this observer. Once a
deep dive of research convinced me he's legitimate and his record is
honest, I voted not to accept and continue to vote no based on the
species/sex's extreme improbability this year, and the observer's
ostensible low experience in observing bird details. The Snowy Owl must be
just about the most-often reported extreme rarity by non- or novice
birders. |
Mike
S. |
5 Jan 2022 |
No, ID |
The very limited description resembles that of a
Snowy Owl. However, I wish there was more written about the "dark
coloring" and/or "dark spots" that were observed.
Overall, I don't believe there is enough here to be confident in the ID,
especially for a low light observation with no optical equipment. |
2nd round:
|
9 Jan 2023 |
No, ID |
No change of opinion, and it looks like others
are in agreement. |
Mark
S. 2nd: |
19 Jan 2023 |
No, ID |
Owl in the headlights that looked white with
dark spots? That could be any number of owls. Size estimate, beyond being
simply unreliable, wouldn't fit Snowy Owl even if correct. Given the
location in the middle of town, Western Screech-Owl is most likely,
followed by Great Horned Owl, assuming that the yellow eyes eliminates
Barn Owl.
But Snowy Owl? I don't believe it, and there's no evidence presented here
to convince me otherwise. |
David
W. |
22 Dec 2022 |
No, ID |
Though this may have been a snowy owl, the
paucity of detail fails to prove the case and forces me to vote against.
Specifically: no mention of the presence or absence of ears tufts and a
size estimate not even close to a Snowy owl's. At least the eye color
eliminates some of the more common mis-identified possibilities (like Barn
owl). The case for color is a bit compromised by the fact that the
sighting was in deep dusk with headlights used as illumination (which
tends to wash out color).
-
On a sidenote, you gotta love the email address of the submitter. Full
points. |
2nd round:
|
5 Jan 2023 |
No, ID |
It looks as if most other people's comments
align fairly well with mine. I saw nothing to bolster the argument to vote
to accept, so I will stick with my first round vote. |
Kevin
W. |
19 Dec 2022 |
No, ID |
Outstanding reports require outstanding
documentation, and I don't think that this report can be confirmed with
documentation provided. It could have been any "light-colored" owl that
appeared white in the headlights. |
2nd round:
|
13 Jan 2023 |
No, ID |
I still don't believe that enough evidence is
presented to prove that this is a Snowy Owl, and the likelihood is low. |
2022-68 Rusty
Blackbird
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
26 Dec 2022 |
Acc |
|
Mike H. |
26 Dec 2022 |
Acc |
Rusty secondary coverts and pale tipped UTC s
look good. |
Max M. |
3 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
Great find by Jack and good documentation by
many. |
Keeli M.. |
28 Dec 2022 |
Acc |
Great photos. |
Bryant
O. |
23 Dec 2022 |
Acc |
Nice female seen by many |
Kris P. |
30 Dec 2022 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
9 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
Nice photos show a Rusty Blackbird. |
David
W. |
22 Dec 2022 |
Acc |
A compliant bird seen by many. Excellent photos
make this one easy. |
Kevin
W. |
13 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
Photos seem definitive for a Rusty Blackbird. |
2022-69 Magnolia
Warbler
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
26 Dec 2022 |
To 2nd |
Would like to hear others thoughts on this
sighting. The description seems to fit for Magnolia, but not much is known
about this observer and her experience. She said she went to go take a
picture, but then saw an eye ring and somehow didn't take a picture? I
would think that if she had a camera in hand, she would have wanted to
capture it. Magnolia warblers, in my experience, seem to stay closer to
the ground and are not terribly furtive. |
Mike H. |
26 Dec 2022 |
No, ID |
I m not sure exactly what the observer saw, but
I don t feel there is enough in the report to rule out other warbler
species. |
Max M. |
3 Jan 2023 |
No, ID |
Does not sufficiently eliminate similar, more
likely species including Grace's Warbler (although the eye ring is
interesting), also do not like the fact she is relying on Merlin to help
her as the only reference for identification. |
2nd round:
|
6 Feb 2023 |
No, ID |
No change in opinion |
Keeli M.. |
28 Dec 2022 |
No, ID |
Description doesn't adequately rule out why it's
not a Yellow-rumped warbler or other species to me. |
2nd round:
|
28 Jan 2023 |
No, ID |
Still unconvinced this was a Magnolia Warbler
and agree there's not enough evidence to support ID. |
Bryant
O. |
25 Dec 2022 |
To 2nd |
Although I'm having a hard time understanding
what they saw and Magnolia may be the best match, I don't believe this
observer has enough experience with warblers to consider all the
possibilities and may have been biased by Merlin to a conclusion. Fall
warblers are hard, juvenile and basic plumage birds have a lot of
variation. They may have seen a Magnolia, but that may not be proven
beyond a reasonable doubt. Honestly I'm not inclined to accept sight
records with no physical evidence by inexperienced observers using Merlin
to ID birds. |
2nd round:
|
5 Feb 2023 |
No, ID |
My initial doubts were only strengthen by others
concerns, agree other options not completely ruled out. |
Kris P. |
31 Dec 2022 |
No, ID |
Neither females nor males would show a black
mask in September
- Seems like both white wing-bars should be visible at the same time,
rather than only one
- I can't imagine what reference would suggest the Magnolia Warbler was
likely in Utah given that our state's record is fewer than one documented
sighting per year. The suggestion may have set the birder's expectation
while the resulting ID and other-species elimination are not
well-supported. That being said, I applaud any birder who studies in
advance to learn what the possibilities are even if this resulted in a bum
steer
- I sure would like to see that photo, which is implied but not stated |
2nd round:
|
21 Jan 2023 |
No, ID |
No change in opinion. I don't think this bird
was a Magnolia Warbler. |
Mike
S. |
10 Jan 2023 |
No, ID |
I don't believe the documentation is strong
enough to rule out other, more likely possibilities. With the possible
exception of the described extent of yellow, nothing else is inconsistent
with a YRWA, and I'm not sure a TOWA can be completely written off either.
|
2nd round:
|
17 Jan 2023 |
No, ID |
I'm not seeing any compelling evidence that this
was a Magnolia Warbler. Kris raises a great point that this species
wouldn't show a dark mask in September (and neither would a YRWA, despite
my first round suggestion).
I believe Kevin and Max's suggestion of a Grace's Warbler would make sense
(especially at this location), and no mention of GRWA in the similar
species section is a red flag. Either way, there is not enough here to
establish the ID of a MAWA.
(I'm also glad that others caught the reference to "taking a photo"
without a photo being part of the record. Without an explanation, at
least, that's also a bit of a red flag.) |
Mark
S. 2nd:
|
19 Jan 2023 |
No, ID |
The bird was seen from below, that makes me
wonder how the tail pattern - the very most obvious and distinguishing
feature of Magnolia Warbler in all plumages - could not be noticed, nor
mentioned.
I suspect that this was one of the infinite varieties of Yellow-rumped
Warbler plumage. Regardless, it doesn't sound like a Magnolia Warbler. |
David
W. |
4 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
A soft accept. Wish there had been more detail. |
2nd round:
|
3 Feb 2023 |
No, ID |
It's hard for me to see what other warbler has
the combination of field marks described by this observer:
1. Gray head with white eyering (described as "top of head" in one
portion).
2. Dark mask (and there are examples of late September birds with some
level of black mask, though not many)
3. Yellow breast with dark streaking extending to flanks
4. White wing bar(s)
However, as I suggested in the first round, I was not entirely sanguine
with the record because of prominent field marks I would have expected. I
suppose it comes down to (lack of) qualifying adjectives. Were the
eyerings solid and complete, or were they more broken like crescents?
Similarly, how thick or distinct were the streaks?
I'm still on the fence on this one, but I am a bit more reluctant to vote
for it after many of the other Committee members astutely pointed out that
the observer used Merlin Bird ID rather than a field guide (which I had
not fully digested during the first round).
I guess I will change my vote to a soft NO. |
Kevin
W. |
13 Jan 2023 |
No, ID |
I think the observer may have seen a Magnolia
Warbler, but I don't think she provides enough details to clench the
identification for me. She also didn't rule out more likely species, like
Grace's Warbler (which also has streaked yellow belly, wing-bars, eye
ring, and mask). She mentions that she went to take a picture of it when
she noticed unique features; it's too bad the photo wasn't submitted. |
2nd round:
|
14 Feb 2023 |
No, ID |
Other more likely species not ruled out. |
2022-70 Gyrfalcon
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
26 Dec 2022 |
Acc |
Well, I can't see anything that rules out
Gyrfalcon here. I agree that the facial markings rule out peregrine. The
tail bands look good for Gyr too. |
Mike H. |
6 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
The question, as always, is provenance. Unless
there is evidence/proof revealing that this bird did not arrive here under
its own navigation |
Max M. |
3 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
Nice record |
Bryant
O. |
26 Dec 2022 |
Acc |
Photo and description both show a juvenile
Gyrfalcon. This is very far south for that species(but there are other
records farther south) and unusually habitat(mountain uplands) but ID is
not in question. There is the possibility of an escaped falconry bird,
although I'm not sure there are many falconers in that region and most fly
hybrid Gyrs these days anyway, and no mention of jesses although he did
mention viewing the feet so seems likely to be a wild bird. |
Kris P. |
2 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
Marvelous sighting and record. I have no doubts
about the ID and age of this bird. Gray juveniles (and females, although
sex was not determined in the record) are the most likely color/age in the
lower 48. I messaged Steve on Jan 1 asking him to address the issue of
jesses, which was not originally part of the record. That he saw no
evidence of them during the sparring with the Golden Eagle supports that
this is not an escaped falconry bird. The extensive sparring also implies
the good body conditioning of a wild bird. And it’s demonstrating wild
behavior with its choice of remote and open habitat rather than near human
habitation. I’m inclined to believe any escapee this young would have been
out on his/her own for only a few months, would be more likely to hang
around human environments and would not have been in dogfight-body
condition. So; wild, yes. |
Mike
S. |
23 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
Great record with no signs of captive origin. |
Mark
S. |
19 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
Remarkable record, but good documentation, and
the photo shows a Gyrfalcon. The only real question, as always, is whether
or not this is a falconry bird. However, I see no signs that would suggest
it is, and Gryfalcons are such valuable birds that casual falconers are
unlikely to have them, and falconers who do generally have them equipped
with tracking devices.
I looks like a wild bird to me. |
David
W. |
4 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
Nice use of the eagle for size comparison. |
Kevin
W. |
13 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
Woah! Awesome record. I think the photos speak
for themselves - large bodied falcon with extra-long-looking barred tail,
long undertail coverts, dark face. |
2022-71 Winter
Wren
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Mike H. |
30 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
Sounds good. Looks ok. |
Max M. |
3 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
|
Keeli M.. |
28 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
Not sure I'm seeing what they're talking about
in the spectrogram, but I think they make a case for WIWR ID. Plumage and
audio files are supportive to me. |
Bryant
O. |
26 Dec 2022 |
Acc |
Calls are a better match for Winter Wren than
Pacific. I find the spectrogram more useful than just audio, and it is
available on eBird for this record here:
https://ebird.org/checklist/S124051441
Note the little upward pointing arrows in the spectrogram looking like ^ ,
this is characteristic of Winter Wren and lacking in Pacific, which just
has a flat vertical line
Compare:
WIWR-https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/190186441
PAWR-https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/190078591 |
Kris P. |
21 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
|
Mike
S. |
27 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent documentation, with very good photos
(in eBird checklist) showing extensive pale supercilium, throat/underparts,
and sides of neck. Oddly, I had to listen to the audio recording several
times because it sounded like something intermediate between a Winter and
Pacific Wren call (at least to my ear). After listening to a some
additional WIWR recordings, I've decided it's more than likely a simple
variation of the WIWR call. |
Mark
S. |
19 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
Excellent documentation; the call is
distinctive. |
David
W. |
6 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
A very very soft ACCEPT on this one, and maybe I
should pass to the second round. I went back and forth on this record,
depending which calls I compared it to, though I thought overall it
sounded more like a Winter than Pacific. Apologies for the waffling.
The written description is a bit vague and could arguably apply to either
of our Troglodytes species. Not much help there.
To my ears, which were never musically trained, the calls sound more like
the "juicier" winter wren calls than the "drier" Pacific calls. Both
species often give double calls, as this bird does (based on literature
and recordings), so that is not very helpful. Ironically, the National Geo
guide describes the call of the Pacific as a "chimp chimp," which is how
the observer for this record describes his bird. |
Kevin
W. |
25 Jan 2023 |
Acc |
I have a hard time discerning the difference
between the recorded calls and some that I've found for Pacific Wren, but
the submitted ebird photos from Colin McGuire seem to fit with the warmer
brown color, lighter throat, and more white spots on wings and back (I
question if Shiloh Rasmussen's ebird photos are of the same bird, as it
looks more Pacific Wren-like to me, being more rufous, having a browner
throat, and fewer white spots). |
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