2021-31 Black
Vulture
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
25 Jun 2021 |
No, ID |
Photos appear to show a Turkey Vulture |
Stephanie
G. |
25 May 2021 |
No, ID |
I believe this is a Turkey Vulture. Although we
don't have a lot of detail to go off, the profile of the bill seems
thicker and shaped more like a Turkey Vulture. The tail and wing length
seems more appropriate for Turkey Vulture as well. |
Mike H. |
2 Jun 2021 |
No, ID |
Tail length in the photo is suggests Turkey
Vulture. Would assume light reflection led to the sight of white wing
tips. |
Bryant
O. |
26 May 2021 |
No, ID |
Photos very poor but show a classic Turkey
Vulture structurally. Black have a longer neck, longer legs and more naked
skin on the head with a bit of a dewlap. Must have been a trick of the
light reflecting off feathers to make them look white? |
Mike S. |
15 Jun 2021 |
No, ID |
Turkey Vultures |
Bryan S. |
14 Jun 2021 |
No, ID |
Does not sufficiently rule out turkey vulture |
Steve S. |
17 Jun 2021 |
No, ID |
Between the poor report and unidentifiable
photos I can't accept this report. |
Mark S. |
6 Jun 2021 |
No, ID |
Photos show a Turkey Vulture. |
David W. |
26 May 2021 |
No, ID |
I think the legs are too short and the
profile is a better fit for a Turkey vulture.
For such a widely soaring bird, I'm surprised we don't ever see this
species in Utah considering how common it is elsewhere and how relatively
close its range is to our State. |
2021-32 Hudsonian Godwit
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
25 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
Excellent record |
Stephanie
G. |
26 May 2021 |
Acc |
Great find! Photos clearly show Hudsonian
Godwit. |
Mike H. |
2 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
|
Bryant
O. |
26 May 2021 |
Acc |
Photos show all the field marks for Hudsonian,
black and white tail and wings with red belly. This is my eBird review
region and I requested they submit this record |
Mike S. |
22 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
Good documentation with diagnostic photos. |
Steve S. |
17 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
Nice photo's and report |
Mark S. |
6 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
Good photos and decent description support the
i.d. |
David W. |
26 May 2021 |
Acc |
What a lovely bird in breeding plumage. Wish all
our records were this straightforward. |
2021-33 Chestnut-sided
Warbler
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
25 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
Diagnostic photo |
Stephanie
G. |
10 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
Nice find |
Mike H. |
2 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
Photo shows a CSWA. |
Bryant
O. |
3 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
Photo show a CSWA, although I'm a bit confused
with the plumage, SY Male? I had my doubts about this report originally,
so I requested their photos as the eBird reviewer for the region, and also
asked them to submit a record. My doubts were eliminated upon looking at
the photo |
Mike S. |
1 Jul 2021 |
Acc |
Photo shows a Chestnut-sided Warbler.
Interestingly, it is difficult to find examples of males around this date
that mostly lack the 'namesake' plumage. |
Bryan S. |
4 Jul 2021 |
Acc |
|
Steve S. |
17 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
6 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
Photos show a Chestnut-sided Warbler |
David W. |
10 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
Great photos show the key field marks. |
2021-34 Orchard Oriole
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
25 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
Excellent record of a clear-cut immature male
Orchard Oriole |
Stephanie
G. |
10 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
Don't have a problem with this as an Orchard |
Mike H. |
18 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
|
Bryant
O. |
7 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
Calls are what sealed the deal for me, but
structure and markings also favor Orchard over Hooded. Really nothing to
imply a hybrid of any type. |
Mike S. |
1 Jul 2021 |
Acc |
Extent of black on face and throat, two
well-defined wingbars, and bill shape all look textbook for an Orchard
Oriole. Nice find!
I see Hooded Orioles at my feeders almost every day during summer and this
bird would certainly catch my attention. |
Steve S. |
17 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
Between the photos, report and description of
calls I think Orchard Oriole is the best fit. |
Mark S. |
6 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
Photos show a typical first-spring male Orchard
Oriole. I have dozens of similar photos from birds at my feeders each
spring. |
David W. |
4 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
The dark on the forehead would be consistent
with the dark hood of the male starting to come in (though I do not know
the molt sequence for this species). A great find. |
2021-35 Painted
Bunting
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
25 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
diagnostic photos |
Stephanie
G. |
10 Jun 2021 |
No, Nat |
I'm so glad that other observers were able to
verify this sighting. However, photos of this bird show a potential
fungal/yeast infection of the face consistent with being caged. Photos
have been posted online that aren't part of this record that have shown
this to more of an extent. It's undoubtedly a Painted Bunting and a great
sighting. But the natural occurrence is in question. |
2nd round: |
29 Jul 2021 |
No, Nat |
The facial infection shown in James Loveless's
photos is consistent with cage wear. Refer to
this photo: |
Mike H. |
14 Jul 2021 |
Acc |
Photo clearly shows a Painted Bunting. |
2nd round: |
7 Aug 2021 |
Acc |
The only question with this bird is provenance.
This bird may be an escaped pet (aka prisoner), but it may also be wild. I
understand raising the question, but where do we draw the line? I feel the
evidence needs to lean heavily towards anthropogenic or intentional means
for us to discount the possibility of a vagrant species. |
Bryant
O. |
10 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
No doubt a male PABU in the photos. I suppose
providence should be discussed due to the illegal trade in these birds in
Latin American cultures, however it does fit within the expect pattern of
an "over shoot" migrant in timing and without unusual wear on the feathers
or a generally unhealthy disheveled look I see no reason to think an
escaped cage bird. |
2nd round: |
17 Jul 2021 |
Acc |
I get a distinct feeling of deju-vu from this
bird. Does the bird has some slight deformities with the bill? Yes. Does
that make it an escaped cage bird? No. Here is a quote from Steven
Mlodinow about the Painted Bunting I found in Utah in April 2013
"To me, the ID is obvious, so I trust this is not an issue.
I will leave the bill part up to experts, though do note that anatomic
abnormalities (from bill structure to tumors) occur at a much higher rate
in vagrants than normal migrants banded on the Farallons; indeed, the
abnormalities may be linked to the vagrancy."
So, vagrants have a higher than average likelihood of having deformities
or heath issues. Its not often we actually get up close and personal looks
at wild birds, often when we do we can usually find something unique about
them, missing feathers, odd eye colors etc. Wild birds live difficult
lives and face many challenges, including disease and malnutrition. These
maladies are in no way limited to captives, we just seldom have the
opportunity to see it with wild bird. So the bill issues do not in them
self make this a captive. Additionally, is there actually any evidence of
this illegal black market trade in Mexican song birds happening in Utah?
This bird fits within the expected pattern of vagrancy of this species in
Utah, why play the escaped captive card without direct evidence? |
Mike S. |
1 Jul 2021 |
Acc |
This ID is about as straightforward as it gets.
Very nice record. |
2nd round: |
21 Jul 2021 |
Acc |
I think the possibility of an escapee is a
concern worth raising. However, the timing is within the expected date
range for a vagrant Painted Bunting. Overall, I believe the evidence is in
favor of this being a wild bird. |
Bryan S. |
4 Jul 2021 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
9 Aug 2021 |
Acc |
|
Steve S. |
17 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
12 Jun 2021 |
To 2nd |
The i.d. of the bird in the photo is not in
doubt. But the issue, as always with this species, is whether this is a
natural occurrence. Unfortunately the written description here is so
incomplete, especially with regards to the location, that it's hard to
evaluate if this could be a natural vagrant, or an escapee. "Torrey" is
not very specific, and "orchard/garden spot" doesn't say much about the
sort of place where it was seen.
I'm inclined to accept this record, but not just yet, and am hoping that
someone can provide more detailed information about where it was found. |
2nd round: |
28 Jul 2021 |
Acc |
While the facial condition noted by Stephanie
perhaps is more common in caged birds, it can also occur in wild ones, so
by itself doesn't necessarily indicate prior captivity.
The date fits the previous pattern for vagrants in our region. |
David W. |
10 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
I see nothing about Terry's beautiful photo to
suggest a life spent in captivity. |
2nd round: |
19 Jul 2021 |
Acc |
I see no compelling evidence to suggest this
bird was an escapee. It's my understanding this bird was visiting
someone's feeder in town, as both escapees and wild birds are inclined to
do. |
2021-36 Chestnut-sided
Warbler
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
25 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
diagnostic photo |
Stephanie
G. |
12 Jul 2021 |
Acc |
Pretty straightforward record |
Mike H. |
14 Jul 2021 |
Acc |
Identifiable photos make for easy work! |
Bryant
O. |
15 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
Photos leave no doubt. |
Mike S. |
8 Jul 2021 |
Acc |
Unmistakable photos. |
Bryan S. |
14 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
|
Steve S. |
17 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
18 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
Photo shows a male Chestnut-sided Warbler. |
David W. |
15 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
Very distinctive bird. Nice photos. |
2021-37 Blue-winged
Warbler
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
25 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
Excellent record |
Stephanie
G. |
12 Jul 2021 |
Acc |
Clear photos and documentation |
Mike H. |
14 Jul 2021 |
Acc |
Good documentation. |
Bryant
O. |
17 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
I would have liked a mention of eliminating a
hybrid with a GWWA, but this birds shows no yellow in the wing bars or
hint of a mask on the auriculars so no sign of hybridization here. Curios
that 2 of the 3 other records have also been caught in mist nets? Are
these thing just migrating through undetected? |
Mike S. |
8 Jul 2021 |
Acc |
Good photos of a bird in hand leave no doubt.
I find it interesting that 3 of the 4 records of this species in Utah have
been individuals captured in a net. |
Bryan S. |
4 Jul 2021 |
Acc |
|
Steve S. |
17 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
18 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
Can't have better documentation than this. |
David W. |
18 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
Hard to argue with such a beautifully
photographed, in-hand specimen. Very good writeup. Despite it having a
hint of yellow in the wing bars, this is clearly a Blue-winged Warbler. |
2021-38 Gray Hawk
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
25 Jun 2021 |
No, ID |
Description is good. Would love to see photos of
this mega vagrant. . .
Odd timing, I would expect a late fall or winter sighting of this
potential vagrant. Also odd that a spring vagrant would not have stuck
around as it was not observed by any of the subsequent birders that
afternoon or following days. |
Stephanie
G. |
12 Jul 2021 |
No, ID |
I'd like to approve but I don't think male
Harrier has been ruled out. Or a Zone-tailed Hawk or Common Black-hawk
molting, juvenile, or appearing gray in lighting. |
2nd round: |
29 Jul 2021 |
Acc |
continuing to accept |
Mike H. |
19 Jul 2021 |
To 2nd |
|
2nd round: |
28 Jul 2021 |
Acc |
ID?- Knowing the experience of the observers, I
don t know of any other N American raptor this could ve been confused
with. Location? Lytle Ranch would be my #1 guess if asked where I thought
a GRHA might be observed. Timing? With the report that Mike S added with
his original comments, I feel this should eliminate most concerns with
timing. It wouldn t be the first time a bird accidentally headed N instead
of S for migration. |
Max
M.
2nd: |
20 Aug 2021 |
Acc |
Coming in late on this one - but after reviewing
comments, description is solid, location seems like a prime place to
encounter this bird. |
Bryant
O. |
18 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
Well written record, and right where one would
expect to see one in Utah. |
2nd round: |
28 Jul 2021 |
Acc |
I agree with David, NOHA, COBH and ZTHA ruled
out by description. This species has been expanding and becoming more wide
spread and common in AZ so it was only a matter of time that one would
show up here. Lets also remember birds can fly and its a short 5 minute
flight for this hawk onto private property down stream that birders can't
tread(legally), so just because it wasn't re-found doesn't mean it wasn't
there. They are also quite good at hiding in the canopy and easily over
looked. I guess without photos it will go on the dreaded Auxilary list? |
Mike S. |
19 Jul 2021 |
To 2nd |
I'm tempted to Accept, but have decided to vote
"to 2nd" because I believe any rarity of such magnitude without photos
warrants some discussion.
The description is not perfect, but I do believe it adequately establishes
the ID as an adult Gray Hawk. I simply cannot come up with a better match.
An adult bird should be fairly distinctive, especially for anyone with
previous experience with this species. The length of time observed and the
fact that this bird was seen both perched and in flight by two competent
birders strengthens the record, in my opinion.
While this would be quite a remarkable movement for this species, one
would suspect Lytle Ranch to be the most likely location where one may
occur in Utah. Interestingly, there was an adult Gray Hawk photographed in
April at Tassi Ranch on the Grand Canyon-Parashant National Monument. That
location is approximately 60 miles south of Lytle.
See that eBird checklist here:
https://ebird.org/checklist/S85684811
The fact that a Gray Hawk strayed that far north just earlier this year
gives me additional confidence in this record. If one can make it that far
north, I think that the chance of one showing up at Lytle would be every
bit as reasonable.
For what it's worth, I spent about 3 hours at Lytle later that day
searching for this bird with no luck. The Sommerfelds also searched for it
before me, and they also weren't able to track it down. |
2nd round: |
29 Jul 2021 |
Acc |
No changes of opinion. I wish we had photos, but
the description is solid.
If accepted, since there is an existing provisional record, I believe this
species should be added to the official state checklist in accordance with
our bylaws. |
Bryan S. 2nd: |
18 Aug 2021 |
Acc |
Very good description by experienced birders.
Description rules out other similar hawks. |
Steve S. |
26 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
Good description of a fairly distinct bird. |
Mark S. |
18 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
Good description eliminates similar species. |
2nd round: |
1 Aug 2021 |
Acc |
This is not a difficult i.d., especially for
experienced observers and such a thorough examination of the bird. There
is nothing else that even comes close to fitting the description, unless
one goes even farther afield into far less likely species. |
David W. |
18 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
A very thorough written description. It is
unfortunate that no photo was secured. Hard to imagine what other North
American raptor this could be. |
2nd round: |
27 Jul 2021 |
Acc |
1. Harrier ruled out by strong banding on tail
and by wing shape.
2. Zone-tailed hawk ruled out by shape of wings, description of paler
portions of gray on body contrasting with darker portions (which
eliminates possibility of overall paleness caused by lighting), and
underwing pattern.
3. Common black hawk also ruled out by gray contrasting with darker
portions on body and underwing pattern. An adult would not have white
under the wings, while a juvie is strikingly patterned. Also, in flight
the tail does not appear long because of the very long wings.
Outside of the far southern Gray-lined hawk, hard to pin this description
on anything else than a Gray hawk.
Thanks to Mike for finding that record from nearby Arizona. |
Kevin W.
2nd: |
3 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
I'd like to see photos, but description is good,
and Lytle seems to be a good place to see one, especially considering the
proximity of the earlier Tassi Ranch record. |
2021-39 White-rumped Sandpiper
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
25 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
Great record |
Stephanie
G. |
12 Jul 2021 |
Acc |
Field marks and coloration seem to add up and
rule out Baird's. |
2nd round: |
28 Aug 2021 |
Acc |
continuing to accept |
Mike H. |
19 Jul 2021 |
To 2nd |
|
2nd round: |
22 Aug 2021 |
Acc |
|
Max
M.
2nd: |
20 Aug 2021 |
Acc |
|
Bryant
O. |
18 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
Overall color and shape look good for WRSA, as
do the steaking on the flanks and tiny orange spot at base of lower
mandible. I asked her to submit the record after she sent me the photos to
consult with ID. |
2nd round: |
29 Jul 2021 |
Acc |
Has all the expected field marks, which can be
seen in the photos, for this species. Seems pretty straight forward record
to me. |
Mike S. |
12 Jul 2021 |
Acc |
Photos show diagnostic field marks, including
reddish base of lower mandible. Nice record, good photos for a cell phone
camera!. |
2nd round: |
29 Jul 2021 |
Acc |
|
Bryan S.
2nd: |
18 Aug 2021 |
Acc |
|
Steve S. |
26 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
Description and photos are a White-rumped
Sandpiper |
Mark S. |
18 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
Good description and photos. This is more likely
in June than the presumably more common Baird's. |
2nd round: |
1 Aug 2021 |
Acc |
As per my first-round comments. This is a solid
record. |
David W. |
18 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
A bit of a funky crown pattern, but everything
else fits and the amount of white on the crown is within the range for
this species. |
2nd round: |
27 Jul 2021 |
Acc |
See nothing in the comments of others to make me
reconsider my first-round vote. |
Kevin W.
2nd: |
3 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
Seems like a good identification with photos
showing definitive field marks. |
2021-40 Least Tern
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
25 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
Nice record |
Stephanie
G. |
12 Jul 2021 |
Acc |
Pretty straightforward record |
Mike H. |
14 Jul 2021 |
Acc |
Good photo. |
Bryant
O. |
23 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
Well documented |
Mike S. |
8 Jul 2021 |
Acc |
Photos clearly show a Least Tern.
This was only my second time observing this species, and both have been at
golf course ponds in St. George. |
Steve S. |
26 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
1 Aug 2021 |
Acc |
Excellent photos and good documentation. |
David W. |
25 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
Clearly this species unless one were to consider
Little tern of the Old World (which has a white tail and rump, unlike this
bird's gray). The brightness of the bill and the clearly defined black
patterns on the forewings and forehead eliminate juvenile Sterna species. |
2021-41 Zone-tailed Hawk
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
25 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
|
Stephanie
G. |
12 Jul 2021 |
Acc |
Hope it gets better, great record |
2nd round: |
28 Aug 2021 |
Acc |
|
Mike H. |
7 Aug 2021 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
11 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
|
Max M. 2nd: |
20 Aug 2021 |
Acc |
|
Bryant
O. |
18 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
Eliminating other dark morph buteos is a problem
for perched ZTHA, and although I would like flight shots to see the
underside of the wings and tail, the banding on the tail upperside is
consistent with ZTHA even though somewhat blurry. I wonder if the birds is
still in rehab if better photos could be arranged for documentation of the
record? |
2nd round: |
11 Aug 2021 |
Acc |
ID is clear cut, providence is established by
the observer account which seems feasible to me. There are a number of
reports of ZTHA in and around Hurricane, so not unheard of to be in that
neighborhood. What caused the injury is a good question though? |
Mike S. |
8 Jul 2021 |
Acc |
Rick and I were present for this bird's release
on June 30th. It flew off quickly and appeared to be fully recovered.
Also noteworthy, there has been a second adult ZTHA present this summer at
this same location. |
2nd round: |
10 Aug 2021 |
Acc |
I thought there was a chance that concerns about
the coincidental nature of this observation might be raised, with this
bird showing up in a raptor rehabilitator's yard...
Justin has pigeons that often attract birds of prey onto his property. He
has a huge backyard that sits just beneath the Hurricane Cliffs and he has
told me in the past that he has seen Zone-tailed Hawks soaring (usually
with Turkey Vultures) along the cliffline. There has been a second adult
ZTHA also seen at this location this summer and Justin has reported seeing
both of these birds simultaneously. The second individual was also
observed in the area by Rick Fridell, just a day or two before this bird
was released.
If anyone is still skeptical, here is an eBird checklist with a photo of a
soaring ZTHA, taken just a few blocks from this location on May 24th of
this year:
https://ebird.org/checklist/S88921627
I sent some additional photos to Milt to be included with this record,
which I snapped with my phone just before this bird was released on June
30th. I don't have any spread wing shots, but the photos do show the
underside of the tail and should leave no doubt about the ID.
David - maybe it's just my dark sense of humor, but my first thought when
seeing your comment is that I'm glad this bird didn't succumb to the fate
of "murrelet-grade photos." |
Bryan S. |
9 Aug 2021 |
No, Nat |
Sounds suspiciously like it may have been a
captive bird that may have escaped |
2nd round: |
18 Aug 2021 |
Acc |
I am still skeptical about an injured bird
showing up at a rehabers, but since there is no obvious signs of captivity
and also since I agree with David that this is a regularly occurring
species and "marginally reviewable" I will vote to accept and move on |
Steve S. |
26 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
1 Aug 2021 |
Acc |
Photos show the distinctive features of ZTHA,
especially the facial coloration, but also tail pattern. Excellent
description. |
2nd round: |
11 Aug 2021 |
Acc |
I don't believe that Zone-tailed Hawk is a
species that is kept by falconers, so I can't agree that it's likely to
have been a captive bird. I also don't find the serendipity of an injured
bird showing up at the only licensed rehaber in the county to be anything
more than just that - an extraordinary bit of luck. Even if it's a
"returning patient," (and there's no indication that it was), it was
obviously free and on it's own long enough to return to normal behavior
patterns.
The date and location are not outside of the pattern of occurrence for
this species in Utah. |
David W. |
27 Jul 2021 |
To 2nd |
I admit the fact that this injured bird just
happened to show up at the only raptor rehab place in the area strikes me
as highly coincidental. Word of mouth?? A returned client? Did someone
drop the bird off at his yard? I'd like to see what others say.
Also, Mike, do you think you could get Mr. Neighbor to take some murrelet-grade
photos of this bird, especially the tail and underwing? Those would be
nice to have with the record |
2nd round: |
17 Aug 2021 |
Acc |
I am a bit heartened by Mike's explanation for
why a Zone-tailed hawk was likely in this particular yard. Sounds like a
really nice place to visit. I suppose what really troubles me is why an
INJURED bird should show up at the (only local) rehab clinic on its own.
That, and its tameness, still strike me as extremely suspicious.
But, really, this is such a marginally reviewable species in the first
place, seeing as it occurs fairly regularly in several locations in SW
Utah, that it's not worth the Committee's time (in my opinion) to send it
to the 3rd round.
On a bemused note to Mike, I want to clarify that there were some lovely
photos of the murrelet while yet it breathed, and it was such pre-mortem
photos for which I was hoping. Lest I be misconstrued as being more
ghoulish than I am, I want to reassure you that it is my profound hope
that we may yet get to enjoy this hawk's soaring presence in the wild once
more. But I also hope we never vote on it again based on it checking in as
a patient at this rehab location. |
Kevin W.
2nd: |
3 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
It looks like a Zone-tailed Hawk. Pam Wheeler
also found and photographed a Zone-tailed Hawk over Hurricane on May 24,
possibly the same one:
https://ebird.org/checklist/S88921627 (noted before I saw that Mike
linked the same checklist in his comments). |
2021-42 Laughing
Gull
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
29 Jul 2021 |
Acc |
Downward sloping bill + no white spots on
primaries = good for a Laughing! |
Mike H. |
22 Aug 2021 |
Acc |
I keep revisiting this record to see if my
opinion would change. The field mark boxes are mostly checked, but
something with the structure of this bird keeps giving me pause. |
Max M. |
20 Aug 2021 |
Acc |
Unless I am missing something, seems like a
pretty straight forward ID, and an exceptional record! |
Bryant
O. |
12 Jul 2021 |
Acc |
Photos and field marks do seem to favor Laughing
Gull over Franklin's. The lack of bold tertial crescents as well as lack
of prominent white primary panels, plus the long slightly dropped bill all
look better for a Laughing Gull to me. |
Mike
S. |
15 Jul 2021 |
Acc |
The photos show diagnostic features of an adult
Laughing Gull, including extensively dark wingtips with no obvious white,
and a fairly small white demarcation between the wingtips and mantle. This
combination rules out Franklin's Gull.
Although the photos are a bit blurry, I also get the impression of a
fairly long bill with a slight droop at the tip (especially Photo D),
further pointing to LAGU.
Great record! |
Bryan S. |
18 Aug 2021 |
Acc |
bill appears large a droopy and lack of primary
windows looks good for laughing |
Mark
S. |
1 Aug 2021 |
Acc |
Decent photos and good description from a very
experienced observer. The lack of white on the wing tips, along with the
bill shape and size, separate this from Franklin's. The eye-arcs are well
within the range for breeding plumage LAGU |
David
W. |
27 Jul 2021 |
Acc |
I'm a little troubled by the wide eye crescents,
but overall, this looks like a Laughing gull to me, down to the sloping
forehead. |
Kevin
W.. |
3 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
I'll tentatively vote yes on this, as the photos
show what seems to be a long-billed gull; longer than a Franklin's, and it
doesn't look as delicate. I'm curious what others think. |
2021-43 Vaux's Swift
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
29 Jul 2021 |
No, ID |
Odd timing for a migrant. Possible recently
fledged Black Swift could easily be mis-IDed. Size can be difficult to
judge in flight without contextual cues. |
2nd round: |
4 Sep 2021 |
No, ID |
Odd timing for species, lack of evidence, too
many species it could have been confused with. |
Mike H. |
22 Aug 2021 |
No, ID |
Not enough to differentiate from other Swift sp. |
2nd round: |
11 Sep 2021 |
No, ID |
Nothing to change my initial opinion. |
Max M. |
20 Aug 2021 |
No, ID |
Timing for this species is questionable, and the
description of the field marks/identifying characteristics are lacking. |
2nd round: |
4 Sep 2021 |
No, ID |
Still sticking with my vote on this one - timing
is questionable, description fails to eliminate Chimney Swift. |
Bryant
O. |
17 Jul 2021 |
No, ID |
Late June is a very odd time of year for a
Vaux's Swift in Utah. Also the lighting in this canyon is horrible in the
evening and its all too easy to turn Swallows into swifts and
White-throated Swifts into Black Swifts. He took it to the next level. I'm
also concerned with the observers skill at bird ID. |
2nd round: |
5 Sep 2021 |
No, ID |
I continue to have concerns about the timing of
this sighting as well as the sketchy nature of the circumstances of the ID |
Mike S. |
15 Aug 2021 |
No, ID |
The description doesn't contradict the ID of a
Chaetura swift. However, the view was quite brief, the lighting conditions
don't sound ideal, and this description isn't very detailed. Based on the
information we have, I can't be certain he didn't see a Northern
Rough-winged Swallow, let along less likely possibilities (such as Chimney
Swift). |
2nd round: |
6 Sep 2021 |
No, ID |
My concerns remain. |
Bryan S. |
18 Aug 2021 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
15 Sep 2021 |
No, ID |
Not sure why I voted yes on this in the first
place since I didn't put any comments! I agree with the comments from all
the "No" votes. Timing, location, and questions about the observer being
the main issues. |
Mark S. |
1 Aug 2021 |
No, ID |
I'm happy calling this "Chaetura sp.," but
there's nothing here to separate this from Chimney Swift other than a
vague reference to a pale throat. It was almost certainly a Vaux's Swift,
but the evidence presented simply doesn't meet the standard required for
an officially accepted record. |
2nd round: |
7 Sep 2021 |
No, ID |
As per my first round comments. |
David W. |
20 Jul 2021 |
No, ID |
The date of this record is unusual, as is the
high elevation habitat. In the north-central portion of the state, this
species is nearly always (with a couple of exceptions) reported during
migration in the lowlands. Notable exceptions are Kenny Frisch's Silver
Lake record of 16 Aug 2018 and Eric Huish's record in Provo on 13 Jul
2000. So, though unexpected, the record is possible in Little Cottonwood
Canyon during the breeding season.
However, I do not believe the record adequately rules out a Chimney swift.
It is unfortunate that the observer did not have a camera to bolster the
description of his 10 second encounter. |
2nd round: |
8 Sep 2021 |
No, ID |
I will stick to my First Round comments. |
Kevin W. |
3 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
Description seems good for Vaux's Swift. |
2nd round: |
16 Sep 2021 |
No, ID |
I changed my mind, and agree with others that
timing and circumstances are odd, and that the report lacks enough detail
to be certain. |
2021-44 Palm
Warbler
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
28 Aug 2021 |
No, ID |
Out of habitat for Palm Warbler. Could have been
a yellow warbler, wilson's warbler, or orange-crowned warbler, perhaps
juvenile. Lighting conditions from wildfires make things look oranger than
they are. |
2nd round: |
17 Sep 2021 |
No, ID |
Too strange timing and habitat wise to accept
without a photo. Other species this could have easily been... |
Mike H. |
22 Aug 2021 |
No, ID |
Location and timing seem off and no mention of
tail pumping. |
2nd round: |
16 Sep 2021 |
No, ID |
Seems as though we all have the same concerns
with this observation record.. |
Max M. |
20 Aug 2021 |
No, ID |
Palm Warblers are late migrants, and the habitat
along with foraging technique are uncharacteristic of this species. |
2nd round: |
23 Sep 2021 |
No, ID |
As noted by others, too many concerns with this
submission. Applaud DW for his comments in the 2nd round, and agree -
maybe the submitter should invest in a camera. |
Bryant
O. |
11 Aug 2021 |
No, ID |
Observer failed to consider Nashville and
Orange-crowned Warbler which also can show rufous in the crown and have
yellow undertail coverts. Description of behavior doesn't fit Palm. No
confidence in observers ability to accurately ID birds |
2nd round: |
17 Sep 2021 |
No, ID |
Continue to have many doubts |
Mike S. |
6 Sep 2021 |
No, ID |
The described field marks (although not very
detailed) seem like a decent match for a Palm Warbler. However, I am
concerned about the early timing of this record, as the overwhelming
majority of western fall PAWA records are from September and later. I m
also concerned about the tail held level behavior since this species is
notorious for its tail pumping. |
2nd round: |
20 Sep 2021 |
No, ID |
My first round concerns remain, and I agree with
the additional concerns raised by others. |
Bryan S. |
15 Sep 2021 |
No, ID |
Timing is the biggest issue. Can't find any
records in the intermountain area this early |
2nd round: |
21 Oct 2021 |
No, ID |
same as round one |
Mark S. |
11 Aug 2021 |
No, ID |
I don't want to speculate on what the
observer saw, or what might be confused for a Palm Warbler, but this
record has some problems that cause me to doubt its validity.
The description of its appearance fits, but the behavior of foraging in
the trees with other warblers seems odd, as well as the lack of the
distinctive tail bobbing, that is not noted.
Beyond that, the habitat is unusual, as every other fall record in Utah is
from valley riparian areas, with none from the high country. The date is
quite surprising. On eBird, there are only 10 records all-time for August
in the entire western U.S. (none for Utah). And this would not only be an
unusual August record, but the earliest ever - no Palm Warblers have been
recorded as early as August 8 in the western U.S.
So this record is remarkable, and well beyond the normal pattern.
Given that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, I don't
think that this description, from a 15 second look, is sufficient to
support this record. |
2nd round: |
7 Oct 2021 |
No, ID |
As per my first round comments. |
David W. |
17 Aug 2021 |
Acc |
Another rare find for a birder with an uncommon
skill at finding birds unseen by anyone else.
Well, I would have wondered about Orange-crowned warbler had it not been
eliminated by the white belly, perhaps a siskin were the observer not
explicit about it being a gleaning warbler with a brown body, but really I
am left without a plausible alternative given the combination of field
marks. A textbook description. |
2nd round: |
20 Sep 2021 |
No, ID |
OK, I'll stop pretending I can't see the
elephant in the room.
Ahem, in light of the extraordinarily creative timing and habitat for this
warbler, and the [oddly consistent] lack of obvious identifying field
marks (such as tail pumping), I think I will agree with the rest of the
Committee that, well, more evidence would be desirable. I will, therefore,
change my vote to NO.
But, let me say, to dispense with some fig leaves in my role as devil's
advocate, Palm warblers do indeed forage in trees (I've seen them do so),
there are records in eBird for Palm warblers at very high altitudes in
similar habitat (heck, even the Richardson Flat bird in Utah was not
exactly at low altitude), and birds do wind up in the darnedest places at
odd times now and again (or we wouldn't need this Committee) (one could
argue that frigatebirds and murrelets are strictly ocean-obligates, yet
they are on our list hundreds of miles from California).
I think the timing argument is the strongest and does carry weight. It's
the one that made me do a double-take when I first read the record. So,
since I recently used that very argument to vote against a record of a
very credible birder who I greatly admire, I will invoke precedent and
vote NAY today.
I really feel obliged to offer sincere advice to the submitter of the
record, in hopes that he might some day improve his percentage of records
approved by the Committee, that he should start carrying around a camera.
That way, if his almost unique penchant for finding very rare one-off
birds continues, he should be able at least now and again to get a
diagnostic photo that would dispel any doubts. |
Kevin W. |
7 Sep 2021 |
No, ID |
The description sounds ok for a breeding Palm
Warbler, but I think that Palm Warblers by this time should be in fall
plumage (i.e. not a rufous cap). Also, I'm not sure of vagrant Palm
Warblers occurring at high elevations as this one (8700 ft)or as early as
this one (early August), most observations being mid-September into late
November, and lowland areas. The description seems odd in other ways
(brown body, no comment on tail-bobbing). |
2nd round: |
16 Sep 2021 |
No, ID |
My concerns are echoed by other reviewers. I
remain unconvinced. |
2021-45 Pacific-slope
Flycatcher
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
14 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
Even hearing the audio you can tell the
difference between Cordilleran. |
2nd round: |
28 Sep 2021 |
No, ID |
Other reviewers concerns have cast enough doubt |
Mike H. |
16 Sep 2021 |
To 2nd |
|
2nd round: |
13 Oct 2021 |
No, ID |
With the info available to me, I can t say say
this is a no doubt PSFL. I also can t say it s not. I do believe this is
most likely a Pac-slope, but the audio is not enough to support an
observation. |
Max M. |
20 Aug 2021 |
To 2nd |
Even after reviewing the spectrogram, this is an incredibly difficult
"species" ID and I feel like it warrants further discussion. |
2nd round: |
22 Sep 2021 |
No, ID |
After seeing reviewer comments in the first
round and a few in the second, I feel my push to 2nd round is validated by
others with similar concerns. The recording, unlike Kenny's first record
for PSFL, is too ambiguous and doesn't do enough to separate these two
"species". |
Bryant
O. |
13 Aug 2021 |
No, ID |
I don't think these poor quality recordings
conclusively prove anything, and to my eye they more closely resemble the
COFL graph than PSFL. This is not a good species, there is a huge area of
overlap and intergradation in the eastern Cascades and Northern Rockies
where they are essentially unidentifiable. We should not expect every
individual encountered to fit nicely into one group or another. Because of
that sub-species seems a much better way to view these taxon. Regardless,
nothing can really be ascertained from these recordings. |
2nd round: |
22 Sep 2021 |
No, ID |
Have not heard a compelling argument in favor of
this one being a clear cut PSFL. I continue to feel the poor recordings do
not fit neatly into one taxa or the other. |
Mike S. |
20 Sep 2021 |
No, ID |
I have little doubt that Pacific-slope
Flycatchers migrate annually through lowland areas in western/southwestern
Utah. Given the number of observations from southern Nevada, I can't help
but wonder if this species is even truly "rare" in our state, and if many
of these individuals may be going unidentified or getting 'dismissed' as
Cordillerans or 'Western' Flycatchers.
Having said that, after reviewing the documentation provided here and
comparing the spectrogram to other examples of Pacific-slope and
Cordilleran, I am not convinced that a COFL can be ruled out.
Very curious to see everyone's opinions on this record. |
2nd round: |
20 Sep 2021 |
No, ID |
Since my first round vote was several days past
the deadline, I'll attempt to make up for it with an early second round
vote...
I believe the concerns/doubts raised in the first round make the case that
we cannot rule out a Cordilleran, or at least something in the middle of
the Western flycatcher spectrum. Given that individuals from overlap zones
(mentioned by Bryant) are likely migrating through Utah, I think we should
be cautious when reviewing audio examples that are not particularly
clear-cut, and I believe this record falls under that category. |
Bryan S. |
15 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
My only question is that the spectogram does not
seem to show the "kink" as strongly as the examples of PS flycatcher and I
wonder if this is one of the birds that is somewhere in between the 2
species? Kenny definitely did his homework on this bird and has much more
expertise with this ID than I do, so I will go his ID. |
2nd round: |
21 Oct 2021 |
No, ID |
Changing to a no because of the questions raised
by everyone |
Mark S. |
7 Sep 2021 |
To 2nd |
It looks like no one wants to vote on this
record, and with good reason. I have to say, that if I heard this call in
the field, I would probably call it Pacific-slope, with the huge caveat
that Cordilleran can give a call just like this, that I have heard during
breeding season in Utah.
I think this record is resting on two i.d. concepts for this species
"pair" (it's really just Western Flycatcher, after all) that are based
upon assumptions and a limited data set - the inflection in the position
note, and the idea that lowland migrants are PSFL. Neither of these
inspire great confidence.
Therefore, I'll punt it to the second round. If the consensus of the rest
of the committee is in favor, I can hold my nose and vote to accept. But
it doesn't make me happy. |
2nd round: |
7 Oct 2021 |
No, ID |
Nothing in anyone's comments added any
confidence to the proposed identification of this record. |
David W. |
8 Sep 2021 |
To 2nd |
So many sonograms, so little time...
I'm going to punt this to the second round. There's just too much
literature saying there is sonic overlap between these two (so-called)
species and that the calls are not a hard and fast rule (not surprising in
nature). In my opinion, the two forms are better thought of as two ends of
a spectrum anyway. Maybe if I stall long enough, the two taxons will be
lumped back into the less stressful Western flycatcher I grew up with. If
not, then I will consider this with all the brain power I can bring to
this difficult ID. |
2nd round: |
21 Sep 2021 |
No, ID |
Sort of scary how similar my thoughts and
phrasing are to Mark's. It's almost like we spent some time together in my
formative years.
I agree with Bryant and Mike S. that the spectrograms are not entirely
convincing. I applaud Kenny for his studious documentation and efforts. It
may well be that advances in science (taxonomy and bio-acoustics) will
continue to advance and that future generations will "look" back on this
record with newly-informed ears, but to me this sounds like an
intermediate bird. It may be a "Pacific-slope" individual, but I've heard
a lot of variation in Cordilleran calls/songs over the years. |
Kevin
W. |
7 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
I think that the description and analysis of the
call note fit Pacific-slope Flycatcher, and that Pacific Slopes are
probably more likely to be observed in lowland areas in Western Utah than
Cordillerans. |
2nd round: |
6 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
I still think that Pacific-slope Flycatcher is
the most likely bet, and stick with my previous vote. |
2021-46 Heermann's Gull
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
4 Sep 2021 |
No, ID |
Plenty of dark juvenile gulls around, even
Jaegers that could be confused. Sparse description, not much to go off.
It's a no for me. |
Mike H. |
11 Sep 2021 |
No, ID |
Description is very vague. No mention of bill
color, but yet ages the bird as a 3rd year? The dark head doesn t line up
with date of observation either. |
Max M. |
21 Aug 2021 |
No, ID |
Description does
not rule out common species. |
Bryant
O. |
21 Aug 2021 |
No, ID |
With no comments in 'Field Marks and Identifying
Characteristics' and no attempt made to eliminate any similar species I
find this one hard to believe. Specifically no attempt made to eliminate
recently fledged California Gulls is a big problem as they can be very
dark. Of note, I saw my 1st fledged California Gull juveniles 3 days
before on July 14th(I made specific checklist notes to record that date)
so this report is exactly when the dark juveniles California Gulls were
1st leaving their nesting colonies. |
Mike S. |
20 Sep 2021 |
No, ID |
Documentation is inadequate to establish the ID
of this rarity. |
Bryan S. |
15 Sep 2021 |
No, ID |
Not a adequate description of the bird and does
not eliminate other more likely species |
Mark S. |
7 Sep 2021 |
No, ID |
Immature California Gull is not eliminated by
this description, nor does it fit very well with other than juvenile
Heermann's. |
David W. |
22 Aug 2021 |
No, ID |
This might have
been a Heermann's gull, but there is far too little information in this
report to be certain of the ID. I would have liked to see a description of
bill and leg color to be sure. |
Kevin
W. |
7 Sep 2021 |
No, ID |
What little description is given (black head and
wings, gray neck and front) doesn't really fit a Heermann's Gull (at any
stage) any more than it does a dark juvenile gull of any expected species. |
2021-47 Upland Sandpiper
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
4 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
I think the distinctive call would make this a
plausible record. |
Mike H. |
6 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
Observer's familiarity with the flight call and
overall description. |
Max M. |
4 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
Great record, good documentation of a
distinctive "grasspiper" both in appearance and call. |
Bryant
O. |
5 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
|
Mike S. |
28 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
Accepting based on the flyover description and
especially the unique call. Good documentation considering the
circumstances of the observation. |
Bryan S. |
15 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
7 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
The call is distinct. |
David W. |
24 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
Good job eliminating other similar species. |
Kevin
W. |
7 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
The description, of the sighting (although
limited to a quick flyover), seems good; including the distinctive call.
The record of another (or same) one a few miles south on the following day
may give this support. |
2021-48 Parasitic
Jaeger
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
14 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
|
Mike H. |
16 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
Thanks to this bird hanging around for awhile,
every photographer in the area now knows what a Jaeger is. |
Max M. |
5 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
Great find by Bryant. Somewhat difficult
individual showing some mixed traits with LTJA. After studying this bird
myself in the field and great documentation photos by many, and after
sticking around for a few days (maybe longer? We will see), I think there
is no doubt that this is a PAJA. Good description eliminates the only
other option, LTJA. Lots of experts have weighed in on this bird as well.
Slam dunk. |
Bryant
O. |
5 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
In the field my initial impression was
Long-tailed, but after observing the bird for over 2 hours I began to
favor Parasitic. I waited to submit the record until I got a consensus of
the ID from multiple sources more experienced with Jaeger/Skua ID than I |
Mike S. |
28 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
Excellent documentation |
Bryan S. |
15 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
7 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
A well documented record, seen and photographed
by many. General structure, wing markings, upper tail coverts, bill
structure, tone of color, and more all support Parasitic Jaeger. |
David W. |
21 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
As I wrote in my eBird entry for this bird:
Based on the wonderful photos of Matt, etc, which show the bill
size/shape, sharp tail projectlings, the distribution of white shafts in
the top side of the wing, and the pattern under the wing, I believe this
has to be a Parasitic jaeger. |
Kevin
W. |
16 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
Very detailed report and good photos show
identifying characteristics. |
2021-49 Upland Sandpiper
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
14 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
Audio would be distinctive, along with shape |
Mike H. |
6 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
Photo along with description of call and other
field marks seem to point to an UPSA. |
Max M. |
5 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
Wierd to vote for the first time on my own
record. Unfortunately we didn't get very good documentation photos, but
one of them (if not more) is diagnostic in my mind, and I have zero doubt
about this bird. I need someone to help me come up with a proper mnemonic
for this distinctive call. My only question is, could it possibly be the
same bird Bryant saw the day before? Or are they just moving through? We
will never know... |
Bryant
O. |
5 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
I guess the question is, is this the same bird I
saw the day before, or did we have a migration event of them through Utah?
We may never know? |
Mike S. |
4 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
Description combined with the photos establish
the ID as an Upland Sandpiper. Nice documentation. |
Bryan S. |
15 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
7 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
Good description; photos, while poor, show
enough to support the observation. |
David W. |
24 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
Convincing field marks, photos, and call
description. |
Kevin
W. |
16 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
I'm not sure that the photos are definitive,
although I can't think of what else this might be. The description in the
report seems good for Upland Sandpiper. |
2021-50 White-rumped Sandpiper
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
14 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
|
Mike H. |
16 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
Good documentation. |
Max M. |
9 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
Pretty straight forward. Good documentation and
photos. Unless someone can point out a concern, this is a shoo-in. |
Bryant
O. |
7 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
Photos leave no doubt |
Mike S. |
20 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
|
Bryan S. |
15 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
Awesome photos. Interesting that it is 1 day
prior to the WR Sand that was in Utah County last year. |
Mark S. |
7 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
Good description and excellent photos. |
David W. |
8 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
Amazing photos. |
Kevin
W. |
16 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
Good description and photos, showing white rump,
white eyebrow, and color at base of lower mandible. |
2021-51 Long-tailed Jaeger
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
14 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
24 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
Continuing to accept |
Mike H. |
6 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
3 Nov 2021 |
Acc |
The description fits LTJA and as Mark stated,
the photos do not show anything to dispute the field notes. |
Max M. |
13 Sep 2021 |
To 2nd |
Photos are difficult to discern definitive field
marks of Jaeger species. Description of bill "long and thin" doesn't match
LTJA bill compared to other Jaeger sp. I'm not saying this isn't a LTJA,
just want to open this to discussion. |
2nd round: |
13 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
I learned a good lesson with this one, don't
review birds on a cell phone. I talked to Bryant shortly after my first
round vote and admitted I screwed up. Some of the lightened photos do
support LTJA as many have noted. Along with the description, I vote to
accept. |
Bryant
O. |
13 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
When I 1st spotted this Jaeger at top speed in
flight, I knew ID hinged upon getting photos unless it landed, which it
did not. My lack of experience with Jaegers at that time left me confused
and uncertain, even with photos, so I sought help with ID which all
pointed to Long-tailed, which seemed to go against my size impression in
the field so I left it un-identified. My recent sighting of the Parasitic
reminded me I needed to revisit this one. In the past year I have gained
considerable more experience IDing jaegers in the field and can now see
the ID points others suggested. |
2nd round: |
13 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
I fully expected this one to go to 2nd round.
However photo A and F do show the white smudge at the base of P9 and P10
on upper side consistent with LTJA, and the barred tail coverts visible in
photo E and C, and the long tail with blunt R1 tips visible in photo A and
E. Under bill shape I said "long and thin" as compared to all birds as a
relative term, not referring to just Jaegers. Photos don't show the bill
well, but the head and bill do look fairly small and petite, consistent
with LTJA. |
Mike S. |
8 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
Photos and description match a juvenile
Long-tailed Jaeger. Lightened photos C1 and D1 are helpful to assess
plumage details and rule out similar species. |
2nd round: |
21 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
|
Bryan S. |
15 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
21 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
12 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
Good description, and the photos at least don't
argue against the i.d. The structure and coursely-barred undertail coverts
support Long-tailed Jaeger. |
2nd round: |
14 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
I think there's enough here to establish the i.d. |
David W. |
5 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
Good job differentiating from similar species on
this tough ID. |
2nd round: |
19 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
With young Mr. Malmquist's objection withdrawn,
I see no reason to change my vote from the 1st round. |
Kevin
W. |
6 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
Good description write-up and documentation for
a difficult bird. |
2nd round: |
25 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
Continuing to accept. |
2021-52 Ruff
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
17 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
|
Mike H. |
13 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
Photo supports description. |
Max M. |
23 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
Poor (but seemingly diagnostic) photo along with
good description seems for a pretty straight forward record. What species
could this be confused with? REKN? I think there is enough here to accept. |
Bryant
O. |
18 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
Description hits all the main field marks,
photos, although poor, do support the ID as a Ruff. I'm not sure if its a
juvy or female as the warm low smoky sun makes everything look golden like
a juvy Ruff would be. Age/sex uncertain, but a Ruff no doubt. |
Mike S. |
21 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
Photos are poor, but I believe the combination
of described field marks establishes the ID. |
Bryan S. |
21 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
12 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
Another record that needs to rest on the written
description, since the photos are to poor for positive identification. But
the description is solid, and the photos don't contradict the description.
Similar species are adequately eliminated. |
David W. |
24 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
The description of the rump is especially
convincing, eliminating most other shorebird species. |
Kevin
W. |
6 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
Description fits, timing is right, and the
photos (although distant and not the best) seem to all match a Ruff. It
looks more like a juvenile to me than adult, but that might be an effect
of the photos. |
2021-53 Long-tailed Jaeger
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
28 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
|
Mike H. |
13 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
Good photos. |
Max M. |
27 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
|
Bryant
O. |
24 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
My immediate impress was a Long-tailed for
this Jaeger, due mainly to the, well, long tail. The boldly barred black
and white tail coverts and, especially, white shafts seen only on P10 and
P9 on upper side all sealed the deal for me. I believe it is a juvenile. |
Mike S. |
22 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
Great photos show a Long-tailed Jaeger. |
Bryan S. |
21 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
12 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
The photos are diagnostic in this record. |
David W. |
5 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
Great photos and description. |
Kevin
W. |
6 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
The photos show good traits for juvenile
Long-tailed Jaeger, especially the barred undertail and coloring. |
2021-54 Parasitic Jaeger
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
28 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
17 Nov 2021 |
No, ID |
I see the concerns others have with distance; I
suppose if I'm going to vote on other records saying we couldn't
effectively rule other other jaeger sp, I should be fair and also vote
that way on this record. |
Mike H. |
3 Nov 2021 |
Acc |
The photos clearly show ? All joking aside, this
has been a banner jaeger year so, the fact of the black spots being
jaegers doesn t seem too far off. The description does a good job of
eliminating other species of jaeger. |
2nd round: |
13 Dec 2021 |
Acc |
I understand the concerns with distance, but
with the birds observed at a much closer distance initially, I don t feel
it s a dealbreaker. |
Max M. |
27 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
4 Nov 2021 |
Acc |
I understand the concerns that Mike and David
have with the distance, I don't know if it helps but when I initially
spotted the jaegers they were almost straight north of us probably closer
to 300 yards. I have zero doubts about the ID of these birds, my only
regret was wasting my time trying to help beginning birders get on the
birds before going to the camera. Probably had a chance to actually get a
documentation photo when they were closer. Regardless of whether or not
there is enough for this record to pass the committee, this was one of my
most memorable bird sightings in Utah. Too bad they weren't Pomarine
Jaegers, it would have been nice to get the jaeger trifecta. There was
another individual who two weeks later reported a PAJA in the same general
area:
https://ebird.org/checklist/S96091868 - just like with the LTJA
discussion on Utah Lake, 2 weeks is a long time and it easily could have
been a different bird - but interesting nonetheless. |
Bryant
O. |
29 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
Great spot by Max, I submitted the record
because I got a longer better look at them in my Kowa as he tried for
photos. Seeing any Jaeger in Utah is a rare treat, seeing an adult
especially so, but seeing 3 adults together is unprecedented, truly an
exceptional sighting. I officially declare this the Year of the Jaegers! |
2nd round: |
8 Nov 2021 |
Acc |
I completely understand the concerns about the
ID of Jaegers at 500m, but let me try and articulate how I made the ID. In
birding I try to learn and grow with every encounter of a species. Even
common birds have something new to teach. Over time as I become more and
more familiar with a species it becomes a merging of my subconscious and
conscious mind that work together to make the ID. We can become so
familiar with a bird that the mind can ID the bird without even thinking
about it. A House Finch flying over makes a distinctive flight call that I
can ID without even looking up at the bird. This is the main reason why I
love to travel to new places, where a new set of "common" birds give me
the chance to become intimately familiar with their gestalt, so in the
event I encounter that species again I will be prepared to recognize it.
Many birds only give fleeting glimpses in the field, filtering out the
common from the uncommon and knowing where to focus your energy is a huge
part of birding, and with time and experience we learn what to look for as
well as when and where to look. 2 years ago if I encountered those Jaegers
I would not have been comfortable making the ID and would have probably
reached for my camera to get photos in the hope that the photos would show
something that I couldn't see, or that others with more experience could
use to make the ID. But in the past 2 years I have had considerably more
experience with Jaegers, both at sea and in the arctic, as well as here,
and now have the ability to ID them based on their gestalt. So instead of
going for the camera, I took as long a look at them in the field as I
could to study their flight style, field marks and behavior, and felt
completely confident they were Parasitic. In reality, IDing adult jaegers
is actually pretty straight forward, there are significant differences in
their plumage, in addition to their flight style and behavior. I've
already listed the field marks I used to ID them, but really that's only
half the story. Perhaps this is subjective and not scientific enough to
"prove" that's what they were, but yet I'm certain they were PAJA. Here is
an example of what experience with Jaegers can do,
ebird.org/checklist/S96829780
. Note the LTJA IDed at 3/4 of a mile(1.2KM)
I in know way claim to have that level of experience with Jaegers, but I'm
getting there. In evaluating records without conclusive photos, of course
we need the observer to verify the field marks and list their process of
elimination and how they IDed the bird, but they also need to demonstrate
that they have had enough experience with the species to know what to look
for. We all know how sometimes you just can't get a photo that shows what
you saw in the field. This was such a significant record, 3 adults
together, even without conclusive photos I wanted it to be documented. |
Mike S. |
22 Oct 2021 |
To 2nd |
I see some field marks in this description that
suggest Parasitic Jaegers over similar species. But I do wonder about the
reliability of fairly subtle details when viewed at 500 meters. I believe
that the actual likelihood that these were Parasitic Jaegers is quite
high, which is helped by the experience of the observers. However, I'm not
sure if the circumstances of this observation allow for a definitive ID. |
2nd round: |
8 Nov 2021 |
No, ID |
I agree with David.
I'm not convinced that a definitive ID is possible at this distance. The
observers do well to describe what they were able to discern, and I agree
that Parasitic is most likely. However, assessing subtle field marks from
500 meters would be a tall order for anyone.
Simply not comfortable accepting under these circumstances. |
Bryan S. |
21 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
Well written report but not sure about those
photos - thought I had dust on my computer screen! |
2nd round: |
15 Nov 2021 |
Acc |
Even with the distance, they did a good job of
describing the birds and flight style to eliminate other species |
Mark S. |
12 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
Description fits, even if the photos are useless
for identification. |
2nd round: |
15 Nov 2021 |
Acc |
I understand the concerns about the conditions
of the sighting, and the difficulty of jaeger i.d., but a scope was used,
so 500 m isn't that far away, and adult light-morph jaegers aren't that
difficult to i.d. The description fits Parasitic Jaeger, and can't be
easily reconciled with either of the other two species. |
David W. |
6 Oct 2021 |
No, ID |
Although I think it likely that the ID is
correct, I feel uncomfortable with an ID made of fast-flying jaegers at
half kilometer distance. This is a subtle ID. |
2nd round: |
4 Nov 2021 |
No, ID |
I'm sorry. I have the absolute highest regards
for the observers, but that distance just seems past the upper end of my
comfort range. I strongly believe they saw parasitic jaegers, but will
have to vote no. |
Kevin
W. |
6 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
Although it seems unlikely to me that three
Jaegers fly by a birding class on the causeway, the description is good. |
2nd round: |
17 Nov 2021 |
Acc |
Even though it seems unlikely; I still think
this is a good record. I agree with Mark that with a scope and the
experience of the observers, it passes. |
2021-55 Hooded Warbler
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
28 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
|
Mike H. |
6 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
Another easy ID |
Max M. |
27 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
Good looking bird... Nice record and find by MS! |
Bryant
O. |
29 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
Great photos! |
Mike S. |
22 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
|
Bryan S. |
21 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
Wish they were all this easy.. |
Mark S. |
12 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
No doubt on this one. |
David W. |
28 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
A very distinctive warbler documented with
excellent photos and a good writeup. Nice. |
Kevin
W. |
25 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
Great photos of distinctive bird. |
2021-56 Prothonotary Warbler
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
24 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
Clear ID seen by many. |
Mike H. |
6 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
Easy ID. |
Max M. |
30 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
I was able to see this lovely, chunky warbler
briefly that evening after Pomera and Kris found it. Good description. |
Bryant
O. |
30 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
Description and experience of observer very
convincing. I also saw this bird later the same day she reported it. The
size and orangey-yellow color were very striking, as was the length of the
bill |
Mike S. |
22 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
Diagnostic photo |
Bryan S. |
21 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
14 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
Well-documented, distinctive species. |
David W. |
30 Sep 2021 |
Acc |
Excellent description and handling of of similar
species. |
Kevin
W. |
25 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
Definitive photos provided. |
2021-57 Long-tailed
Jaeger
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
24 Oct 2021 |
No, ID |
I'm not sure that other Jaeger species can
effectively be ruled out |
2nd round: |
14 Dec 2021 |
No, ID |
I don't think we can effectively narrow this
sighting down to the species level. |
Mike H. |
3 Nov 2021 |
Acc |
Using a few assumptions to fill in the gaps on
the description given, it seems to be good for LTJA. |
2nd round: |
27 Dec 2021 |
No, ID |
I agree with others that there are just too many
holes in this description. |
Max M. |
7 Oct 2021 |
No, ID |
This bird was initially described as a
Parasitic, and I don't know if the description completely rules out
Parasitic. Aging of this bird seems a bit off, but I would like to see
what others think. The age given is "adult or subadult" but description
matches subadult or juvenile better? Kind of confused. |
2nd round: |
27 Nov 2021 |
No, ID |
I am continuing to not accept this record.
Again - the record submitter initially ID'd the bird as a "Jaeger sp." on
both eBird and Facebook Rare Bird Alert when it was discovered on August
21st. They initially described the bird as a "Jaeger sp." but added that
it was probably a Parasitic on their eBird report, with no details /field
marks provided, just description of behavior and location. Immediately
after photos of an actual Long-tailed Jaeger on Utah Lake 22 days later,
they changed their eBird list and description to Long-tailed Jaeger.
That's 3 weeks later - still with no description of field marks. And then
- for a third time - they updated their eBird comments AFTER they
submitted a record, on October 2nd to match their comments for the UBRC
record. I'm sorry, but it seems a bit sketchy to me to go from "Jaeger
sp." on August 21st with a pretty much non-existant description, to
somewhat "detailed" field marks on October 2nd (over 2 months past the
original sighting). That is a long time to with "added research" without
photos to potentially convince yourself that you saw something you may not
have seen. Even for intermediately experienced birders (isn't part of our
job as reviewers to know not just birds of Utah, but the birders?), it
seems concerning to not provide at least some detailed notes at the time
of sighting, especially if you are not experienced with certain species.
Not to mention I still do not believe the record completely rules out
Parasitic. Too many questions and concerns with this one. |
Bryant
O. |
6 Oct 2021 |
No, ID |
Thanks Milt for separating this record. As I
alluded to, perhaps not so tactfully, I have a lot of concerns about this
record. 1st, there change of ID from Parasitic to Long-tailed raised a red
flag. IDing a surprise Jaeger at close range with only a 10 second look
without photos can be very problematic, especially if one is not
experienced enough to know what to look for. The fact they linked to a
sub-adult Long-tailed as an example of what they saw is unfortunate since
sub-adults are pelagic and virtually unknown inland, a fact they probably
didn't realize. They failed to really hit on any solid field marks unique
to Long-tailed, such as white on shafts of upper wing, or bill length etc,
and seem even unsure what age it was, which greatly effects ID. As such I
just don't think they got a good enough look at this bird to have any
confidence in their ID, and based on their description it does not seem to
be the same Jaeger seen 3 weeks later on Utah Lake farther south. |
2nd round: |
23 Nov 2021 |
No, ID |
Most concerned about their linking to a
sub-adult bird as a match for what they saw, which is highly unlikely. If
they can't correctly age the bird, they clearly didn't get a good enough
view to ID it to species. I also think the power of suggestion influenced
their assessment, as they originally reported it as a Parasitic but then
were immediately informed Long-tailed was possible as well. I noted they
changed their ID to Long-tailed right after we reported a Long-tailed on
Utah Lake, which seemed suspect as well. Records without physical evidence
require a very thorough written description to eliminate all other similar
species, this record falls short of that. |
Mike S. |
8 Nov 2021 |
Acc |
I am always hesitant to accept fairly brief
flyover observations. However, I believe the description of the tail,
underwings, and undertail coverts all seem like a good match for a
Long-tailed Jaeger. |
2nd round: |
15 Dec 2021 |
No, ID |
As written, I still believe Long-tailed Jaeger
is the best match. However, I agree with others that there is probably too
much uncertainty to be confident. The amount of time that elapsed before
they settled on the ID is a concern. |
Bryan S.
2rd: |
14 Dec 2021 |
No, ID |
I missed the first round voting, but agree with
the comments that is seems a bit sketchy with the observers changing their
minds, no photos, short view of a notoriously tough group to ID |
Mark S. |
14 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
Written description adequately eliminates other
jaegers - length of central tail feathers, barring of the undertail
coverts and lack of white at the base of the primaries eliminates
Parasitic Jaeger. |
2nd round: |
11 Dec 2021 |
No, ID |
While I still think that the description fits
Long-tailed Jaeger better than other species, I understand the concerns of
other committee members regarding the difficulty of this i.d., and the
scant information presented here.
To err on the side of caution, I'll change my vote. |
David W. |
6 Oct 2021 |
To 2nd |
I struggled with this one. The record, although
good for a Long-tailed jaeger, is a bit sparse and doesn't do a great job
in eliminating the possibility of a Parasitic with long central rectrices.
The breast pattern does lean toward a Long-tailed, but there are examples
of Parasitics with dark-breast/head and white belly too. |
2nd round: |
9 Dec 2021 |
No, ID |
I just have too many concerns that the case has
been inadequately made in this record. |
Kevin
W. |
25 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
Description seems good for Long-tailed Jaeger. |
2nd round: |
20 Dec 2021 |
No, ID |
I agree with others, that Parasitic Jaeger isn't
sufficiently ruled out, and the changing of the species identification by
the reporter in ebird and facebook seem suspect. |
2021-58 Parasitic
Jaeger
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
26 Oct 2021 |
No, ID |
Without a photo or detailed description I don't
think we can fully rule out other jaeger species |
2nd round: |
29 Dec 2021 |
No, ID |
Other species not effectively eliminated. |
Mike H. |
15 Nov 2021 |
To 2nd |
Description doesn t do a good job of eliminating
other Jaeger sp. |
2nd round: |
27 Dec 2021 |
No, ID |
I still believe that there isn t enough in the
description to rule out other jaeger sp.. |
Max M. |
12 Oct 2021 |
No, ID |
I don't believe other jaeger species can be
ruled out based on the description provided, especially given unknown age
of the individual. |
2nd round: |
27 Nov 2021 |
No, ID |
Sounds like other reviewers share my concerns. |
Bryant
O. |
10 Oct 2021 |
No, ID |
Although it has been an exceptional good year
for Jaegers, not just in Utah but across the continent inland, a couple
things seem incomplete on this record. I'm most troubled by the fact other
species of Jaeger were not even considered in similar species. Also the
fact age was uncertain is troubling, as different rules apply to ID adults
or juveniles. If they didn't get a good enough look to age it, they
probably didn't get a good enough look to ID it to species. I believe they
saw a Jaeger, but its not clear to me which species. |
2nd round: |
23 Nov 2021 |
No, ID |
Although probably a Parasitic, no real attempt
to eliminate other Jaeger species or age the bird are a big concern of
mine. Records without physical evidence require a very thorough written
description to eliminate all other similar species, this record falls
short of that. |
Mike S. |
8 Nov 2021 |
No, ID |
Not enough detail in this description to ID to
species. |
2nd round: |
7 Dec 2021 |
No, ID |
I still don't believe there is enough in this
description to definitively rule out similar species. |
Bryan S.
2nd: |
14 Dec 2021 |
No, ID |
Does not eliminate other Jaeger species |
Mark S. |
14 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
I don't like that nothing was written about how
the other jaegers were eliminated, but the description doesn't fit
anything other than Parasitic Jaeger. |
2nd round: |
11 Dec 2021 |
No, ID |
Again, I can be convinced to err on the side of
caution, and not accept a record that is inadequately written. |
David W. |
13 Oct 2021 |
No, ID |
I think this record, though leaning toward
Parasitic, is a bit too
vague to ID down to species with certainty. |
2nd round: |
9 Dec 2021 |
No, ID |
I will stick with my original vote. |
Kevin
W. |
25 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
Description seems good for Parasitic Jaeger. |
2nd round: |
20 Dec 2021 |
No, ID |
Other reviewers have convincing arguments that
this report did not adequately eliminate other species, or supply enough
detail to do so. |
2021-59 Red
Phalarope
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
24 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
|
Mike H. |
15 Nov 2021 |
Acc |
|
Max M. |
12 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
I was lucky enough to see this bird and ID it
myself. Nice find! |
Bryant
O. |
10 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
Although I could not see this field mark in the
field, photos of this bird do show it does indeed have a very tiny amount
of pink at the base of the lower mandible, as seen here:
https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/376457881 |
Mike S. |
8 Nov 2021 |
Acc |
Nice photos and description. |
Bryan S. |
27 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
14 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
Good documentation, diagnostic photos and video. |
David W. |
13 Oct 2021 |
Acc |
The shape of the bill and the base color affirm
this ID. |
Kevin
W. |
2 Nov 2021 |
Acc |
Photos show characteristics of Red Phalarope
including plain gray back and thick bill. |
2021-60 Tropical Kingbird
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Stephanie
G. |
24 Oct 2021 |
No, ID |
I'm not convinced that other kingbird species
are effectively ruled out here |
2nd round: |
14 Dec
2021 |
No, ID |
Again, we can't effectively narrow this sighting
down to the species level |
Mike H. |
13 Oct 2021 |
No, ID |
I don t believe the photos, or the written
description, are detailed enough to ID this bird at the species level. I
agree that recent history has told us that TRKI is the most likely, but
this sight record is still not conclusive. |
2nd round: |
13 Dec
2021 |
No, ID |
I still feel there isn't enough information to
ID this individual at the species level. |
Max M. |
12 Oct 2021 |
No, ID |
While this may in fact be a Tropical Kingbird,
especially given the timing of this species and their typical northward
movement, the description without vocal confirmation and the quality of
photos does not adequately eliminate Couch's in my opinion. |
2nd round: |
27 Nov 2021 |
No, ID |
Seems like we all had the same feelings in the
first round. The observer is a good birder, but I think that he realizes
there isn't enough to eliminate Couch's. |
Bryant
O. |
13 Oct 2021 |
To 2nd |
Not sure what to do with this one. I can't get
any color off the photos, and the observer made no attempt what so ever to
eliminate Cassin's or Couch's? However, in all likelihood it is a
Tropical, but can we say with any certainty it is not a Couch's even
though Tropical is more likely? The bill does look fairly long, which
favors Tropical. What do other think? |
2nd round: |
23 Nov 2021 |
No, ID |
I agree the observer made no attempt to
eliminate Couch's and the photos are not sufficient on their own to do so.
I was torn because I think this probably is a Tropical, but not with
enough certainty to accept. |
Mike S. |
2 Nov 2021 |
No, ID |
The poor photos appear to be consistent with a
Tropical Kingbird. However, with no vocalization, Tropical/Couch's are
extremely difficult to separate even with excellent photos. The written
description doesn't provide any additional details that are lacking from
the photos, nor does the observer make any effort to rule out a Couch's
(likely an impossible task under these conditions).
One could argue for a TRKI based on probability, but aside from that,
there simply isn't enough here to ID to species. |
2nd round: |
7 Dec 2021 |
No, ID |
My first round concerns remain. |
Bryan S.
2nd: |
14 Dec 2021 |
No, ID |
no attempt to eliminate couch's & probably not
possible from photos |
Mark S. |
14 Oct 2021 |
No, ID |
This is clearly either a Couch's or Tropical
Kingbird, but there is nothing in this observation that could distinguish
between those two species. The observer seems to have overlooked the
possibility that it could be a Couch's.
Yes, presumably Tropical would be much more likely, both by range and
date, but without vocalizations, there's no way to know for sure. And who
knows how much bias is in that data, since it seems that Tropical is the
default species of this pair for silent western vagrant sightings, and
Couch's only chosen for vocalizing birds.
Regardless, I don't think accepting only according to range, date, or
probability is a good practice for this committee, and we unfortunately
have nothing else to go on here. |
2nd round: |
11 Dec 2021 |
No, ID |
As per my first round comments. |
David W. |
13 Oct 2021 |
No, ID |
Interestingly, no attempt was made to
differetiate this from the nearly-identical Couch's kingbird. I agree this
is a Tropical/Couch's kingbird, but with the unfortunate quality of the
photos and lack of voice data, I think this record lacks enough
specificity to differentiate beyond that. The bill size does hint at
Tropical, but I looked at some skins online that make me hesitate. |
2nd round: |
7 Dec 2021 |
No, ID |
I've nothing further to add. |
Kevin
W. |
2 Nov 2021 |
No, ID |
I wouldn't mind seeing some discussion on this
one, particularly to rule out Couch's Kingbird. The submitter didn't try
to rule out Couch's, and I'm not sure that the photos are definitive
(although that is a big bill). |
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