2020-01
Parasitic Jaeger
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
11 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
Accept as Parasitic Jaeger based on the flight
photo w/ record 01; I recommend combining records 2020-01 and 2020-02. |
Kenny F. |
4 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
Descriptions and photos match an adult and
juvenile Parasitic Jaeger. |
Stephanie
G. |
13 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
|
Mike H. |
8 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
I initially looked at the photo believing I was
observing a POJA report. I immediately thought to myself that this bird
was a PAJA not a POJA. Once I noticed the observation was of a PAJA it
made more sense! Pointed central tail feathers, lighter flanks, bill not
showing a bi-colored pattern... |
Mike S. |
16 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
The photos show an adult and a juvenile
parasitic jaeger. The distinctive tail shape is captured in photos of both
individuals. |
Bryan S. |
4 Feb 2020 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
19 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
Good description and photos. |
Larry T. |
25 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
|
David W. |
13 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
The adult is an easy one to accept with Logan
Smith's excellent photos.
The juvenile is harder, but Bryant does a fine job eliminating the other
two jaegers in the Similar Species section. |
2020-02
Parasitic Jaeger
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
11 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
Accept as Parasitic Jaeger based on the flight
photo w/ record 01; I recommend combining records 2020-01 and 2020-02. |
2nd round: |
13 Feb 2020 |
No, ID |
My first round acceptance of this record was
contingent upon this being combined with record 2020-01. Description and
photo are not definitive to accept as a stand alone Parasitic Jaeger
record. |
Kenny F. |
4 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
Descriptions and photos match a juvenile
Parasitic Jaeger. |
2nd round: |
9 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
My first round acceptance of this record was
contingent upon this being combined with record 2020-01. Description and
photo are not definitive to accept as a stand alone Parasitic Jaeger
record. |
Stephanie
G. |
13 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
15 Feb 2020 |
Acc |
Photo clearly shows a Jaeger. I'll believe that
the observers saw what they say they saw, with the white crescent in the
primary base, which would distinguish this from other jaeger species. I do
think the bill fits Parasitic, and the apparent solid rust undertail
coverts fit best for 1st year intermediate Parasitic. |
Mike H. |
8 Jan 2020 |
Acc,NAS |
Weighing this record on its own merit I don t
feel there is enough to ID to species. Too much of this report is based on
size which can be very misleading in the field and is known to be an
unreliable field mark in jaegers that are observed hundreds of miles out
of normal range. The photo which has some ID points drawn from it is too
distant and grainy to be reliable. Is this bird believed to be the same
individual in record 2020-01? |
2nd round: |
20 Feb 2020 |
Acc,NAS |
Wow! Voting on record 2020-02 on 02-20-2020
(insert Twilight Zone Music).
I still feel that there isn't enough information to ID this individual to
species. |
Mike S. |
16 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
The description best matches a juvenile
parasitic jaeger. The photo isn't easy to discern, but I think the head
and bill shape both favor parasitic. |
2nd round: |
14 Mar 2020 |
No, ID |
I've decided to change my vote after reading
comments from others, and re-reviewing the record.
If we can acknowledge that the poor photo is not diagnostic, we are left
with descriptive details that are fairly limited. Although there are some
points that favor Parasitic, all of these are quite subtle (as David
mentioned), and are probably not enough to rule out a Pomarine jaeger.
I probably could have gone either way on this one, but in these instances
I think it's better to err on the side of caution. |
Bryan S. |
4 Feb 2020 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
12 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
Tough to ID and marginal photos, but trusting
the description of the observer |
Mark S. |
19 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
Adequate description; marginal photo. |
2nd round: |
14 Mar 2020 |
Acc,NAS |
I think erring on the side of caution is prudent
here - as other members have pointed out, the evidence for separating
Parasitic and Pomarine is shaky. So I'll change my vote to approve Jaeger
sp. |
Larry T. |
25 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
24
Mar 2020 |
No, ID |
Standing alone the record isn't acceptable as a
Parasitic. |
David W. |
13 Jan 2020 |
No, ID |
Boy, this one was a lot harder to vote on than
2020-01. I agree this was a separate individual. Also, Bryant did a good
job eliminating a Long-tailed jaeger.
But I am not sure he adequately eliminated the possibility of a Pomarine.
I was especially troubled that the bill description was based on the fuzzy
photo, which I do not think is adequate for one to extract that much
information. The other field marks were well presented, but are fairly
subtle, especially for someone unfamiliar with jaegers (at that time, by
his own admission). How was size determined--and relative to what? |
2nd round: |
29 Feb 2020 |
No, ID |
No, I still believe an ID this notoriously
difficult needs better evidence for certainty. |
2020-03
Brant
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
13 Feb 2020 |
Acc |
Good photos and adequate description. |
2nd round: |
25 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
|
Kenny F. |
9 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
Well documented Black Brant. Unique plumage for
a goose rules out all other species. |
2nd round: |
16 Apr 2020 |
Acc |
Nothing with this bird s behavior or appearance
seems to suggest a captive origin. |
Stephanie
G. |
13 Jan 2020 |
No, Nat |
Obviously is a Brant, but I'm voting no to push
through to second round. I think that further research should be done
(contacting local aviaries) to do our due diligence to make sure this is
indeed a wild bird and not an escapee. |
2nd round: |
28 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
After speaking with my contact in the aviary
world, I feel comfortable accepting the record. Brants are apparently not
common in local aviaries and would typically be banded, missing a back
toe, or clipped. This bird shows no signs of such. |
Mike H. |
12 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
Photos clearly show a Brant. |
2nd round: |
3 Apr 2020 |
Acc |
|
Mike S. |
16 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
The photos show a distinctive brant. Very nice
find. |
2nd round: |
14 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
The timing is consistent with many other vagrant
records of this species. |
Bryan S. |
4 Feb 2020 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
12 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
19 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
Photos show a Brant. |
2nd round: |
13 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
Brant are not commonly kept in waterfowl
collections, but are regular vagrants over much of the U.S. I don't see
any reason to suspect an escapee. |
Larry T. |
8 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
Well documented. |
2nd round: |
24 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
I haven't seen any reason to question the
sighting. |
David W. |
13 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
A distinctive bird seen by many people. Another
excellent find by Bryant. |
2nd round: |
21 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
I share Stephanie's concern about the
possibility of this bird's provenance, but I continue to vote to accept
because I have heard of no evidence over the last two months coming out
that this was an escapee. |
2020-04
Cassin's Sparrow
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
13 Feb 2020 |
No, ID |
Description does not adequately rule out more
likely Spizella sparrows |
Kenny F. |
9 Mar 2020 |
No,ID |
Observer said the bird had dull unmarked back
when Cassin's Sparrows have a distinctive speckled back. Description of
the facial pattern also seems wrong since observer said the bird had no
eye line when Cassin's do show one and also no mention of the distinct
lateral throat stripe that Cassin's also show. |
Stephanie
G. |
13 Jan 2020 |
No, ID |
Other sparrows not effectively ruled out. Could
be a pale Rufous-crowned Sparrow, a pale 1st year White-crowned Sparrow, a
drab White-throated Sparrow. Too much doubt. Not a strong enough
description for such a rarity. |
Mike H. |
5 Feb 2020 |
No, ID |
I know I ve pointed out my concerns with this
observer s reliability on past records and don t want to continually kick
a dead horse, but... Here is an excerpt from a post on UTAH COUNTY BIRDERS
Facebook page by a well known published birder, that I have no personal
relationship with, regarding this individuals credibility: ...an
individual (whose) imagination far far exceeds his knowledge.
Unfortunately, I feel that an observation by this individual will need
clear photos, audio, or being observed by other reputable birders before I
could accept such an exceptional sight record from him. |
Mike S. |
5 Feb 2020 |
No, ID |
The description is inadequate to establish the
ID of this super rare species for Utah. Some of the details that are
provided are somewhat puzzling (including "unmarked back"). Maybe the
observer meant the back was unstreaked?
The 10-second view also doesn't give me much confidence.
I think better documentation is needed to accept a potential third state
record. |
Bryan S. |
4 Feb 2020 |
No, ID |
|
Mark S. |
12 Mar 2020 |
No, ID |
I'd like to see some discussion on this record,
as I'm not sure that Brewer's Sparrow has been adequately eliminated, and
the presence in a mixed species flock isn't typical behavior for Cassin's,
that is usually solitary, especially out of range. |
Larry T. |
8 Mar 2020 |
No, ID |
Description not convincing for a difficult ID. |
David W. |
13 Jan 2020 |
No, ID |
"faint eye-rolling"? Perhaps that was an
auto-corrected "eye ring," but I do not wish to presume.
In either case, the description provided in the record is too vague to
differentiate a Cassin's sparrow from a whole variety of other sparrows of
several genera, especially Peucaea. |
2020-05
Western Gull
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
13 Feb 2020 |
No, ID |
Brief description of a juvenile gull does not
adequately rule out the highly variable (and much more likely) Herring
Gull first-cycle plumages. |
Kenny F. |
9 Mar 2020 |
No, ID |
I observed this bird in person and it was
an ugly looking 1st cycle Herring Gull. Other observers who initially
identified this bird as a Western Gull later changed their checklist to
Herring Gull.
Observers report doesn't mention field marks expected in a Western Gull
like the bill being thicker towards the tip and drooping. Also the
observer says the bird had a white rump which a 1st cycle Western Gull
wouldn't show. |
Stephanie
G. |
13 Jan 2020 |
No, ID |
Appeared *lighter* than Juv. Herring Gulls?
Should be darker. |
Mike H. |
20 Feb 2020 |
No, ID |
A very difficult ID in the field. |
Mike S. |
5 Feb 2020 |
No, ID |
This was a more difficult "No" vote than the
Cassin's sparrow record. I really don't see any specific "red flags" in
the description that contradict the ID of a western gull. However, I also
don't think we have enough details to be reasonably certain, especially
when trying to rule out other possible rarities. The plumage description
is vague, which is troubling for first cycle gull ID.
I am further troubled by the fact that nobody else reported a western gull
at this popular location during that same weekend of January 11/12. It
looks like several other, experienced birders submitted eBird checklists
at this location and many gull species were reported, but no westerns. I
believe one other birder had reported a western gull the following day,
but then later deleted it off his checklist (perhaps later realizing that
a different species was misidentified as a western?).
I acknowledge that what I described above shouldn't be a primary criteria
for reviewing a record, since gulls can widely travel around, and may show
up somewhere briefly before disappearing. It's possible that this birder
may have simply been at the right place at the right time when nobody else
was. However, I feel that this is a valid reason for skepticism when there
is no photo and the description is lacking in detail. |
Bryan S. |
12 Mar 2020 |
No, ID |
Not sufficient description/lack of other
observations at well visited sight/lack of photos of a tough id |
Mark S. |
12 Mar 2020 |
No, ID |
I'm not sure that Herring Gull is adequately
eliminated from this description, especially with the statement that it
was lighter than Herring Gulls present. WEGU should be as dark or darker
than HEGU, unless it's a hybrid with GWGU. |
Larry T. |
8 Mar 2020 |
No, ID |
Would be nice to have photo of this species.
Sounds like it could be a Herring or hybrid. |
David W. |
13 Jan 2020 |
No, ID |
As much as this may have been a Western gull, I
do not think the evidence presented eliminates the possibility of other
species.
There are several species of larger, pink-footed, gulls with white rumps.
I am confused by the description of this first-winter gull as being "light
grey-brown" when this gull is known for having some of the darkest
juveniles of the white-headed gull type. The strongest argument was the
shape of the bill. |
2020-06
Brown-capped Rosy-Finch
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
13 Feb 2020 |
Acc |
Nice record with multiple descriptions and
photos! |
2nd round: |
25 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
I believe the photos show diagnostic features to
confirm the indentity. |
Kenny F. |
9 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
Great diagnostic photos of Brown-capped
Rosy-Finch rule out Black and Gray-crowned. |
2nd round: |
16 Apr 2020 |
Acc |
Bill color matches what would be expected at the
time of year the birds were observed. |
Stephanie
G. |
15 Feb 2020 |
No, ID |
Looking at these photos I can understand the
case for a Brown-capped Rosy-Finch. However, I do think this is a juv.
Gray-crowned. The light bill would indicate a first-year bird. However,
the bird has an extensive warm rosy color on the belly and breast. A would
expect a first-winter Brown-capped to be more "mouse-gray" overall. This
bird seems to be quite cinnamon and rose, fitting a first winter GC best,
in my view. |
2nd round: |
13 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
Sorry everyone, I see the error of my ways. I
struggled to find an in-depth resource for Rosy-Finch IDs and was going
off my Sibley, where all the juv. birds have yellow bills and the adults
have dark. But looking at other resources I see the bills turn yellow in
non-breeding plumage. I also see that this does fit for Brown-capped, so
I'm accepting the record and apologizing for my oversight. |
Mike H. |
5 Feb 2020 |
Acc |
Good photo of adult bird. |
2nd round: |
3 Apr 2020 |
Acc |
|
Mike S. |
25 Feb 2020 |
Acc |
This can be a challenging ID, since
immature/female gray-crowned rosy-finches can show very subtle (or
completely lack) gray crowns, similar to brown-capped. Luckily, I believe
that at least some of the birds shown in the photos are adults with
extensively pink undersides. The crown plumage shows limited gray without
a clean line of demarcation. For these reasons, I think these individuals
can comfortably be called brown-capped. The record is from the part of the
state where this species is most likely to occur. |
2nd round: |
13 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
Nothing more to add.. |
Bryan S. |
12 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
13 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
12 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
Amount of rosy color on wings and flanks would
seem to eliminate immature Gray-crowned Rosy-Finch. |
2nd round: |
13 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
As per my first round comment. |
Larry T. |
8 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
13 May 2020 |
Acc |
I haven't got any issues with this one. |
David W. |
29 Feb 2020 |
Acc |
Combination of bright pink underparts (to
eliminate juvenile birds) and lack of gray in crown is compelling. |
2nd round: |
21 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
I have nothing to add. |
2020-07
Ruby-throated Hummingbird
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
13 Feb 2020 |
No, ID |
Photos show an immature male Black-chinned
Hummingbird |
Kenny F. |
9 Mar 2020 |
No, ID |
Description and photos make this look better for
a Black-chinned than a Ruby-throated. Observer mentions "streaked brownish
pattern" when a Ruby-throated should have a green crown. Photos also show
grayish flanks, gray-green upperparts, long-ish bill and wings and tail
being about the same length which are all better traits for Black-chinned. |
Stephanie
G. |
15 Feb 2020 |
No, ID |
The tail projection seems to fit Black-chinned
better, and I don't see anything here in the photos or description that
rules out subadult male Black-chinned. |
Mike H. |
20 Feb 2020 |
No, ID |
My absolute weakest ID skill set....non breeding
hummingbirds. I don t feel gorget pattern or overall structure of this
bird appears is right for a Ruby-throated Hummingbird. |
Mike S. |
25 Feb 2020 |
No, ID |
I'm not seeing anything in the description or
photos that would rule out a black-chinned hummingbird. I believe that the
only diagnostic field mark to distinguish female/first fall ruby-throated
from black-chinned is the shape of the primaries, with black-chinned
having broader/blunter primary tips vs. narrower and more tapered for
ruby-throated. The only photo that shows the primary tips is a blurry
spread wing shot, which I don t think is definitive for establishing the
ID. In addition, there is no mention of primary shape in the description.
I don't think we have the evidence we need to accept a very rare
ruby-throated hummingbird. |
Bryan S. |
12 Mar 2020 |
No, ID |
can't id from photos or description |
Mark S. |
12 Mar 2020 |
No, ID |
The bill shape/length look better for
Black-chinned Hummingbird, and the shape of the wing feathers can't be
seen in the photos, nor were they mentioned in the description. |
Larry T. |
8 Mar 2020 |
No, ID |
Looks more like a BC. |
David W. |
29 Feb 2020 |
No, ID |
I think that R5 is too pointed for a female
Ruby-throat (better match for a female Black-chinned). However, I am not
expert enough to sort out immature males, especially without a diagnostic
view of the wing pattern.
Never have found a hummingbird guide I really like. Curious what others
think. Eager to be educated. |
2020-08
Eastern Bluebird
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F.
2nd: |
25 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
While I agree the photos are marginal and
recording is only slightly better, however, I believe I can hear an
diagnostic Eastern Bluebird call. |
Kenny F. |
9 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
White belly separates Eastern Bluebird from
Western and audible sounds better for Eastern. |
2nd round: |
16 Apr 2020 |
Acc |
Audio matches Eastern Bluebird and rules out
other bluebird species.. |
Stephanie
G. |
10 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
Photos are a bit poor quality, but the audio
seems to fit the Eastern Bluebird call nicely |
2nd round: |
28 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
Continue to accept, mostly based on audio. |
Mike H. |
10 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
This is a soft accept. The photos are not
diagnostic and I don t feel the audio is much better at eliminating other
species. In this case I m leaning on the observer s field notes describing
what he observed and the experience he has with bluebirds. |
2nd round: |
3 Apr 2020 |
Acc |
Nothing has changed my opinion from the first
round. |
Mike S. |
10 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
My vote to accept is based on the audio
recording and spectogram in the attached eBird checklist. Although this is
not a particularly high quality recording, I think it is good enough to
rule out a mountain or western bluebird.
Here is an example of another similar recording/spectogram of an eastern
bluebird's "tu-a-wee" call (albeit,
a better quality recording here):
Even without referring to the spectogram, the overall tone/pitch of the
call sounds like a very good match for an eastern bluebird to my hear. |
2nd round: |
24 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
I stand by my first round comments. |
Bryan S. |
12 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
20 May 2020 |
Acc |
Calls are diagnostic |
Mark S. |
12 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
The calls are diagnostic. |
2nd round: |
24 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
Even the poor recording is clearly an Eastern
Bluebird - neither Western nor Mountain sound anything like this. |
Larry T. |
8 Mar 2020 |
No, ID |
Observer seems comfortable with the call but I
don't feel good with it. I'll look at the record again next round. |
2nd round: |
13 May 2020 |
Acc |
I suppose after listening to it again I'll agree
it's good enough to call it a eastern. |
David W. |
29 Feb 2020 |
Acc |
The photo and recording are right on the edge of
usefulness, but combined with the description of the rufous wrapping
around the side of the neck, convincing. With my hearing aid turned all
the way to full, it really does sound like the Xeno-Canto recordings of
the Eastern bluebird rather than a Western. |
2nd round: |
28 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
Nothing to add. |
2020-09
Winter Wren
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
25 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
Photos and calls are definitive |
Kenny F. |
9 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
Excellent photos and recordings show diagnostic
field marks and audibles to rule out Pacific Wren. |
Stephanie
G. |
13 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
Audio clips seem good for Winter! It was hard to
go off the photo because it did seem rather warmish in appearance, but the
audio cinched it for me. |
Mike H. |
5 Feb 2020 |
Acc |
Spectrogram of call from the bird in question
seems to point to this bird being a Winter Wren instead of the more common
Pacific Wren. I would also point out that while I was observing this
individual, I heard a Pacific Wren calling from further up the creek and
so, I feel that some of the photos may not be of the same bird. |
Mike S. |
24 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
I would lean towards a winter wren (over a
pacific) based on the photos, although that is a challenging ID. Luckily,
the audio recordings seal the deal as a winter wren. |
Bryan S. |
12 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
12 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
Photos and the recordings support Winter Wren. |
Larry T. |
27 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
Nice documentation. |
David W. |
18 Feb 2020 |
Acc |
Seen & documented by many people. |
2020-10
Boreal Owl
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
18 Apr 2020 |
Acc |
nice record |
Kenny F. |
16 Apr 2020 |
Acc |
Photos match a Boreal Owl. |
Stephanie
G. |
28 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
Nice documentation |
Mike H. |
25 Apr 2020 |
Acc |
|
Mike S. |
26 Apr 2020 |
Acc |
The photos (especially Photo A) and audio
captured in the video match a boreal owl. The recording sounds like a good
match for the juvenile call. |
Bryan S. |
20 May 2020 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
28 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
Poor photos suggest Boreal Owl; recorded calls
confirm it. |
Larry T. |
13 May 2020 |
Acc |
|
David W. |
28 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
I will jealously vote to accept. The bill color,
amount of white on face, and head shape (the last being inconclusive but
slightly confirmatory) all point to the species. The call doesn't match
any Saw-whet owl recording I found on Xeno-Canto, but does match juvenile
calls for a Boreal pretty darn well XC362057, XC278784, XC253055). |
2020-11
Yellow-bellied Sapsucker
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
7 May 2020 |
No, ID |
RNSa |
Kenny F. |
18 Apr 2020 |
No, ID |
Red nape on the back of the head rules out YBSA. |
Stephanie
G. |
18 Apr 2020 |
No, ID |
Red nape, two distinct back stripes, incomplete black border on throat
patch. A Red-naped Sapsucker. |
Mike H. |
23 May 2020 |
No, ID |
Hybridization? Back pattern and nape point more
towards RNSA while facial pattern and throat show YBSA traits. |
Mike S. |
14 May 2020 |
No, ID |
This appears to be a fairly straightforward red-naped
sapsucker, which wasn't mentioned in the similar species section.
This sounds like an instance where YBSA was the first sapsucker species
the observer came across, and decided that must be what he saw, without
knowing that RNSA is the expected species in Utah. |
Bryan S. |
20 May 2020 |
No, ID |
|
Mark S. |
4 May 2020 |
No, ID |
I think this individual shows too much evidence
of being a hybrid. The red nape, what looks like red trying to bleed
through the black border on the malar, and the width of the white regions
on the back, especially towards the rump, don't look good for YBSA. On the
other hand, the back, and the almost complete black malar, don't look that
good for a pure RNSA, either.
The written description, while amusing, suggests that the observer doesn't
have much experience in distinguishing the different forms in this species
complex. |
David W. |
14 May 2020 |
No, ID |
I think at best this is a hybrid. Fairly strong
red nape patch and strongly divided back pattern suggest Red-naped
sapsucker. The strong black throat border seems further down the spectrum
toward a Yellow-bellied. |
2020-12 Palm
Warbler
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
7 May 2020 |
Acc |
good photos |
Kenny F. |
4 May 2020 |
Acc |
Great documentation. |
Stephanie
G. |
15 May 2020 |
Acc |
Great find and documentation |
Mike H. |
10 May 2020 |
Acc |
Well documented. |
Mike S. |
14 May 2020 |
Acc |
Excellent photos show a distinctive palm
warbler. |
Bryan S. |
20 May 2020 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
4 May 2020 |
Acc |
Excellent photos and a good description of the
behavior leave no doubt that the identification is correct. |
Larry T. |
7 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
|
David W. |
14 May 2020 |
Acc |
Very cooperative bird which decided to socially
isolate for a long time in Utah (has it been the full two weeks?). |
2020-13
Zone-tailed Hawk
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
7 May 2020 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
14 Jul 2020 |
Acc |
|
Kenny F. |
4 May 2020 |
Acc |
The description is spot on for this species and
the photos, although not the best, show nothing to rule out ZTHA. |
2nd round: |
7 Jul 2020 |
Acc |
I still think this bird is good for a ZTHA given
the excellent description. This observer has seen this species here before
and we have accepted those records so he is familiar with the species. The
photos look distorted most likely due to a combination of distance to
bird, possible heat distortion and bad lighting. |
Stephanie
G. |
15 May 2020 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
7 Jul 2020 |
Acc |
Continuing to accept, observer seems to have
experience with the bird and has a detailed description. |
Mike H. |
3 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
Not the best images, but appears to show enough. |
2nd round: |
7 Jul 2020 |
Acc |
Still leaning on the description over the poor
quality photos. |
Mike S. |
14 May 2020 |
Acc |
The photos are good enough to rule out similar
species. The behavior of soaring with turkey vultures is notorious for
ZTHA, and the location is consistent with previous records. |
2nd round: |
9 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
While I can see why the photos alone may not be
diagnostic, I maintain that the description (combined with the photos) are
good enough to ID as a zone-tailed hawk. Any apparent color oddities in
the photos are likely due to glare and the fact that these photos were
digiscoped with a phone camera through binoculars (personal communication
with the observer). The wing shape doesn't look like a textbook zone-tail
from these angles, but this could be attributed to the photos being
captured while the bird was flapping, which may be obscuring the actual
wing shape.
Lastly... I do wish the observer included more details on how he ruled out
a broad-winged hawk. However, I believe that a BWHA would appear quite
small when compared with nearby turkey vultures. I think the observer is
competent enough that he would pick up on the fact that he was seeing a
species with half the wingspan of the turkey vultures and realize that it
couldn't be a ZTHA (maybe why he included a brief note about size in the
similar species section). |
Bryan S. |
20 May 2020 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
16 Jul 2020 |
Acc |
poor photos that leave doubt but don't really
make me think it is not a ZTHA either. The written description is
sufficient to accept this record |
Mark S. |
22 May 2020 |
No, ID |
Frankly, I would prefer that this record NOT
have the photos attached. Based upon the written description, I would
probably vote to accept, though I'm troubled by the note that it was
"flapping a lot more than the vultures." The very many ZTHA that I have
seen flying with and without TUVU have not been flapping noticeably more
than the vultures, especially when sharing the same thermal.
But the photos bother me, even taking into account the poor quality and
harsh lighting. It's hard to image the color of an adult ZTHA being that
heavily distorted, unless they've been heavily post-processed. Why do the
tail bands appear black, and yet the body looks reddish-brown?
Beyond the color, that probably can't be trusted, what bothers me most is
the shape of the wings. They look too broad, short, and the wrong shape
for ZTHA. When fully extended, ZTHA should have narrower and longer wings
than we see here. When ZTHA draws it's wings in, the tips should be swept
back, that we don't see in the photos.
I agree with the observer that the location is likely for a ZTHA, but the
possibility of BWHA, especially on the date of the observation, can't be
discounted. With all due deference to the observer's experience, and their
claim that it was too large notwithstanding, I'm not sure that a dark
Broad-winged Hawk can be eliminated. |
2nd round: |
7 Jul 2020 |
Acc |
It's helpful to know that the photos were
digiscoped through binoculars, so should be given lesser importance. And
while I still see aspects of the described behavior that are troubling, I
think that there's enough here to assume the correct i.d. was made in the
field by an experienced observer in a known location for the species. |
Larry T. |
7 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
This one would have been better without the bad
washed out pics. They don't much like a Zone-tailed. |
2nd round: |
9 Jul 2020 |
Acc |
I'll still vote to accept on the writen
description. |
David W. |
14 May 2020 |
Acc |
Good description of a bird regularly seen in
this area of Utah. |
2nd round: |
7 Jul 2020 |
Acc |
The photos are very marginal and not very
helpful in deciding my vote. Were I basing my vote on the photos, I could
not be sure. However, the written description still sounds like a
Zone-tailed to me. And, as I noted in my first round comment, that species
is regularly seen in this area of Utah, and has been for many years.
I appreciate the thoughtful discussion by others on the Committee. |
2020-14
Northern Parula
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
3 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
nice record from a seldom reported area |
Kenny F. |
5 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
Song matches each song type of a Northern Parula. |
Stephanie
G. |
15 May 2020 |
Acc |
|
Mike H. |
3 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
The two song variations are good documentation. |
Mike S. |
25 May 2020 |
Acc |
Nicely documented record. The audio recordings
match a Northern Parula and I can't come up with anything else that is
very similar. Given the difficult viewing conditions, I'm glad the
observer chose to put the effort into recording the songs. |
Bryan S. |
4 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
Nice recordings |
Mark S. |
22 May 2020 |
Acc |
The recordings sound like Northern Parula, and
the brief observational notes support that. |
Larry T. |
7 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
|
David W. |
3 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
Song sounds like this species. Combined with the
basic visual description, I think this is a match. |
2020-15
Hooded Warbler
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
3 Jun 2020 |
No, ID |
This is a marginal description for a female type Hooded Warbler ; timing
is a bit early for this species, especially a female type. I do not
believe an expected Wilson s Warbler is adequately eliminated. |
2nd round: |
14 Jul 2020 |
No, ID |
I don't believe more expected species were
adequately eliminated before the observer settled on a Hooded Warbler. |
3rd round: |
16 Aug 2020 |
No, ID |
I still believe there s too much uncertainty. |
Kenny F. |
5 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
Description and behavior match a female Hooded
Warbler and rules out other species. |
2nd round: |
7 Jul 2020 |
Acc |
The white outer tail feathers rule out Wilson's
Warbler and are pretty obvious on Hooded Warblers when they are foraging.
Also there have been a number of records this year of Hooded Warblers just
to the south in Arizona and to the west in Nevada including a female in
Nevada on 5/2, so I think timing is fine for this bird.
Also I have birded with the observer before and had to review various
records from him over the years and he seems to be a competent birder.
Seeing an unexpected bird in an unexpected place can cause any birder
trouble, especially before getting to consult a field guide or other
resource to confirm what you saw. |
3rd round: |
29 Jul 2020 |
Acc |
The only warbler that could match the field marks listed including white
outer tail feathers, head pattern and yellow underparts would be a female
Hooded Warbler. |
Stephanie
G. |
15 May 2020 |
Acc |
I do wish there were photos, but the description
seems to fit Hooded Warbler and rule out other species fairly well. |
2nd round: |
7 Jul 2020 |
No, ID |
Hm...enough doubt has been cast in my mind to
reverse my position. I think without physical evidence such as a photo or
recording, I'm hesitant to approve the record, knowing the circumstances
of the sighting. While the white fanned tail is distinctive, having heard
that there was a bird with a fanned white tail from other observers, the
observer may have filled that detail in through the power of suggestion.
And the fact that other observers were around who saw Wilsons Warblers,
it's just too iffy now. |
3rd round: |
29 Jul 2020 |
No, ID |
I saw a juvenile yellow warbler in my yard the other day -- fanning its
tail as it begged for food. Those tail feathers were rather pale to white,
while the belly was yellow. Molting from juvenile plumage could explain
the smudgy dark cap reported. There's enough doubt with this sighting that
I'm continuing to vote no. |
Mike H. |
3 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
Good description. |
2nd round: |
19 Jun 2020 |
No, ID |
After reading the comments from a firsthand
experience with the observer, I ve lost confidence in the written
description of this bird. I don t know how some of the field marks listed
could be observed and believe it to be a PROW |
3rd round: |
12 Aug 2020 |
No, ID |
I don t feel that my 2nd round vote was questioning the observer s word,
but more along the lines of what field marks were observed and blurred
later. Compared to most here I ve been birding for a short time. Because
of this I can easily remember how difficult of a time I had coming to a
conclusion on ID when I came across a bird I was unfamiliar with. I still
feel there is enough of a doubt to stick with my 2nd round vote |
Mike S. |
16 May 2020 |
To 2nd |
I am a bit conflicted on this record, and would
like to push it to the second round while also offering some additional
context:
I was at Lytle Ranch the same day as this observer, and discussed this
observation with him. He initially told me that he believed he saw a
prothonotary warbler. After discussing some field marks that he saw, I
suggested the possibility of a hooded warbler, and he decided that this
was a better match.
While I don't have any issues with this being the path that led him to the
ID, I am also a bit concerned about his initial impression of prothonotary.
Since the observer notes that he has previous experience with HOWA, one
would think that this would have been considered prior to my suggestion
(although maybe he would have come to this conclusion later on his own).
His description here does sound like a pretty good match for a female
hooded warbler.
Again, just offering some context here, and I'm interested to see what you
all think. I spent some time looking for this bird with the observer and
the Malmquists but we were unable to track it down. |
2nd round: |
6 Jul 2020 |
No, ID |
There is enough of a doubt in my mind that I
would like to err on the side of caution. The description of a fanned tail
with white outer tail feathers doesn't sound like a Wilson's Warbler.
However, in the exact area of this observation, we did later observe a
Wilson's so this does plant some doubt, especially since most of the other
field marks could easily describe a WIWA. When combined with the
observer's initial impression of a Prothonatary, I'm simply not confident
that a Hooded Warbler is what was observed.
For what it's worth: it is not my intention to cast doubt upon the overall
ability of this observer. I've birded with him a couple of times and my
impression is that he is competent, even if there are some questions about
this particular record. |
3rd round: |
15 Aug 2020 |
Acc |
I've been delaying voting on this record in the
third round, as I've gone back and forth, but I've ultimately come around.
In hindsight, I probably voted prematurely in the second round in order to
beat the voting "deadline," even though most committee members had yet to
react to my first round comments. (I wish we still had two months per
voting round for these types of records, but I'll digress from that...)
Given more time to think about this record, and to absorb comments made by
other committee members, I am reasonably convinced that the observer saw a
Hooded Warbler. I recall from my conversation with the observer that his
initial impression of a Prothonotary Warbler was based on the extent of
white in the tail. The other field marks described clearly don't sound
anything like a Prothonotary. As others have noted, initial impressions
can be deceiving.
While a Wilson's Warbler is the most likely other possibility, the white
outer tail feathers, the behavior of fanning the tail, and the description
of the call all would seem to be a better match for a female HOWA.
As previously stated, this is a competent birder. He is also a PhD student
at U of U (studying birds). These are not reasons alone to accept his
record, but he is unlikely to be someone to report a rarity unless he was
really convinced of what he saw.
Given the concerns I previously expressed, I think that the discussion on
this record has been warranted. However, I believe there is sufficient
documentation in this sight record to establish the ID of a Hooded
Warbler. |
Bryan S. |
4 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
16 Jul 2020 |
Acc |
I went back and forth on this one based on the
comments, but finally decided that with the description, specifically the
white tail feathers, it seems to fit better with a Hooded than anything
else. |
3rd round: |
13 Aug 2020 |
Acc |
I understand the doubts, but think that the
observer did a good enough job of describing the details needed. |
Mark S. |
22 May 2020 |
Acc |
Combination of white in the tail, yellow
underparts, and black on the head only fits Hooded Warbler. |
2nd round: |
7 Jul 2020 |
Acc |
I appreciate Mike's background notes on this
sighting, and they certainly raise questions.
But the description as submitted would seem to eliminate similar species -
with the described call not consistent with Wilson's Warbler. Both
Wilson's and Hooded have broadly similar migration dates, though it does
seem early for a female of either.
Since nothing else is consistent with the description given, I'll stay
with my vote to accept for this round. |
3rd round: |
20 Jul 2020 |
Acc |
I While it's impossible, nor even wise, to not
consider the observer's experience when evaluating a record, I think it's
also not a good idea to reject a record based entirely upon mistrust of
the observer. There may be extreme cases where this course may be
warranted, but I don't think that this is one of them.
We have all followed convoluted routes to arrive at an identification. If
I had a dollar for every time I had reached a different conclusion in a
bird i.d. from my original impression, I could do a world "big year."
The description as given is conclusive. The combination of white on the
tail, clear yellow underparts, and black on the head fit no other species.
The closest alternative, Wilson's Warbler, is further eliminated by the
call.
So the only reasonable ground for rejecting this is mistrust of the
observer.
I would also note that for a species with over 15 records in Utah,
accepting this record wouldn't materially corrupt the database, even if it
weren't true. For a rare bird this "common" we often accept a relaxed
standard of proof, especially when the sighting fits the established
pattern. In that light, there is a record of a female Hooded Warbler in
Cache County on a date in May just nine days after this one, and numerous
records of males much earlier.
For all these reasons, I'll continue to support accepting this record. |
Larry T. |
7 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
The tail behavior is pretty distinct. |
2nd round: |
9 Jul 2020 |
No, ID |
Lost confidence on this one with hearing the
observer was thinking prothonatary at the time. |
3rd round: |
21 Jul 2020 |
No, ID |
I'm still not satisfied with the observers
indecision at the time of the sighting. I wouldn't of had a problem if
he'd been thinking maybe a Wilson or Hooded. |
David W. |
16 May 2020 |
Acc |
Good description of behavior and physical
appearance. |
2nd round: |
7 Jul 2020 |
Acc |
The first round comments by Mike gave me great
pause and I thought I might change my vote. I wanted to see what others
thought, since this had become a bit of a vote on the observer rather than
the observed, which always makes me nervous. In the end, I went back to
the record itself and just can't convince myself that it could have been
anything else than a Hooded, based on the description. I appreciate the
deep dive by Mark & especially Kenny in their second round comments. |
3rd round: |
21 Jul 2020 |
Acc |
I think Mark put it perfectly. |
2020-16
Harelquin Duck
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
3 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
great find |
Kenny F. |
5 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
Great documentation of these two birds. |
Stephanie
G. |
15 May 2020 |
Acc |
Nice to see one again in Utah! |
Mike H. |
14 May 2020 |
Acc |
No question on ID. |
Mike S. |
25 May 2020 |
Acc |
Well-documented record. |
Bryan S. |
4 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
22 May 2020 |
Acc |
Photos are unmistakable. |
Larry T. |
7 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
My only concern would be natural occurrence. |
David W. |
14 May 2020 |
Acc |
Truly an unmistakable bird. |
2020-17
Northern Parula
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
3 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
well photographed |
Kenny F. |
5 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
Photos clearly show a Northern Parula. |
Stephanie
G. |
15 May 2020 |
Acc |
|
Mike H. |
3 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
|
Mike S. |
25 May 2020 |
Acc |
Diagnostic photos leave no doubt. |
Bryan S. |
4 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
22 May 2020 |
Acc |
Photos show a Northern Parula. |
Larry T. |
7 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
|
David W. |
16 May 2020 |
Acc |
Good photos of a distinctive bird. |
2020-18
Mexican Duck
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
3 Jun 2020 |
No, ID |
This duck appears to have traits of the Mexican
form, but I m not sure why we are reviewing Mallard subspecies, especially
one with such controversial and complex phylogeny. I thought we followed
the AOU / ABA (rather than Clemens checklist) who to date have not
elevated even the purer Central Mexican populations because of
phylogenetic uncertainty (and the large amount of Mallard introgression
outside these areas, particularly in the US, suggested by the white on the
tail of this bird). Perhaps we need an Accept, subspecific identification
established category . . . |
2nd round: |
14 Jul 2020 |
Acc |
Now that this has been elevated to full species
status by AOS/ABA, my first round comments no longer apply. |
Kenny F. |
5 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
This bird looks mostly good for a Mexican Duck.
My only worry is that the tail looked paler than what I would have
expected for this species. I went on ebird and looked at pictures of
Mexican Ducks in May and found some variation in the tail color. It seems
that these feathers may get worn and look paler this time of year. It
seems this bird may fall into the paler end of the the range of possible
tail colors, but combined with the other field marks and lack of other
hybrid traits, this bird looks good enough for a Mexican Duck. |
2nd round: |
7 Jul 2020 |
Acc |
Not much to add from my initial comments except
this bird looks well within the range of Mexican Duck, with limited signs
of hybridization.
I'm glad this is a full species now as the research has show that Mexican
Ducks are more closely related to American Black Duck than Mallard and
it's better to think of Mexican Duck as the western counterpart to
American Black Duck rather than the southwestern counterpart to Mallard |
Stephanie
G. |
23 May 2020 |
Acc |
Seems to fit, no curled tail feathers, yellow
bill, etc. |
2nd round: |
7 Jul 2020 |
Acc |
Continuing to accept -- looking at the pertinent
field marks, bill color, tailfeathers. The evidence of hybridization is
minimal. |
Mike H. |
19 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
7 Jul 2020 |
Acc |
Well, I guess this is why we were looking at
this former ssp. It seems that most data on this species is incomplete or
outdated, but in comparing this record with photos I ve taken and other
records I don t see a reason to not accept. |
Mike S. |
13 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
I was initially troubled by the paleness of the
tail for a "pure" Mexican Duck. However, the included link to Terry Reid's
photo seems to mostly alleviate this concern, and I think shows a tail
that is well within range of "normal" for a Mexican Duck.
Another potential issue for a "pure" bird could be the width of the white
border at the leading edge of the speculum, but after sorting through a
bunch of photos online, I am unconvinced of the reliability of this field
mark for a hybrid.
It is probably impossible to definitively say that this bird has no
(northern) Mallard genes. However, I don't think that the issues that I
noted above are outside of a normal range for Mexican Duck. Therefore, I'm
comfortable accepting, while maintaining an open mind if this record lands
in the second round. |
2nd round: |
18 Jul 2020 |
Acc |
Apparently gene flow between Mallard and Mexican
Duck is more limited than what was previously suspected.
I still think this bird looks good for a Mexican Duck, with a couple of
physical traits that may not be "textbook," but are apparently still well
within range of normal for this species.
Mark's comments are helpful, knowing that this bird wouldn't raise any red
flags if seen in Mexico. |
Bryan S. |
4 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
16 Jul 2020 |
Acc |
I don't see any reason not to accept - it may
have some mallard in it (perhaps even most likely?) but I don't see any
signs of hybridization and every trait appears to be within the normal
range for Mexican Duck.
I tried for this bird a couple of times and could never find it, but it
was quite a while after the initial reports. I did however observe what
appeared to be a it once but then after I got better light I could see
quite a bit of green feathers scattered throughout the head and concluded
it was not the same bird as the photos. That could be what some of the
hybrid reports on ebird were, and maybe some people who reported a Mexican
Duck were seeing this bird as well. Anyway, I don't know about all those
sightings but this record and attached photos seem legit. |
Mark S. |
23 May 2020 |
Acc |
Since we have declined to second-guess the
taxonomic issues here, the only real question is whether or not it's a
hybrid with a Mallard. The answer to that is almost certainly "yes." But
we don't have the tools or evidence to know for sure, so we're limited to
a standard of "phenotypically pure." In that sense I see nothing here to
suggest that this individual is a hybrid. It presents itself as a typical
Mexican Duck.
The only pause I have is the wide and bright white borders to the
speculum, but I don't trust that field mark, because I've seen a number of
Mexican Ducks here with similar marks, in a non-migratory population well
south of the range of Mallard.
I have no problem accepting this record, given the parameters we've
established. |
2nd round: |
7 Jul 2020 |
Acc |
I guess this is now a species-level review.
I still don't see any obvious signs of a hybrid here - no bits of green in
the crown, no extensive white in the tail, no curling upper tail coverts,
generally dark plumage overall. While the speculum and the bordering
coverts show more blue and wider white than Mexican Duck is "supposed" to
have, they are well within the range of what I see for Mexican Duck here. |
Larry T. |
7 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
|
David W. |
10 Jun 2020 |
No, ID |
I'm going to go with hybrid on this one.
Especially with Terry Reid's photos, referenced by the observer in the
first record. I am troubled by the tone of blue in the speculum (though
that can vary with angle to the light, since it is structural), the very
prominent white stripe on the leading edge of the speculum, and the pale
tail (why would that be so contrasting with the rest of the body feathers
if it were a result of wear?)
I recall several other birders started calling it a hybrid on eBird,
though I did not read why they came to that conclusion.
I am eager to read what others on the Committee think. |
2nd round: |
17 Jul 2020 |
No, ID |
I am content to have this vote go down as
accepted with one holdout.
I appreciate all the good comments my fellow Committee members, both sides
the border wall, have presented. The Mallard complex/superspecies is a
sloppy construct, with barely-restrained gene flow between the various
taxa. I still have some doubt, based on the photos, about this individual
being a non-hybrid (see first-round comments). |
2020-19
Magnolia Warbler
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
8 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
Nice work getting photos |
Kenny F. |
5 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
Bird looks good for a female Magnolia Warbler. |
Stephanie
G. |
23 May 2020 |
Acc |
Nice sighting |
Mike H. |
3 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
|
Mike S. |
13 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
Photos show a Magnolia Warbler. Nice record from
an under-birded part of the state. |
Bryan S. |
4 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
23 May 2020 |
Acc |
Photos are unmistakable. |
Larry T. |
7 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
|
David W. |
10 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
Good photos. |
2020-20
White-rumped Sandpiper
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
8 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
Diagnostic photos |
Kenny F. |
5 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
Great documentation of this particular bird.
Unusual from other Utah records of this species, this bird has stayed for
multiple days. All but two other records of this species have been of the
"one-day wonder" variety. |
Stephanie
G. |
4 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
Nice record! |
Mike H. |
29 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
Well documented rarity. |
Mike S. |
13 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
The excellent photos are diagnostic.
Well-documented by many observers. |
Bryan S. |
4 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
4 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
Record 20-20-20! That'll never happen again.
I see a white rump. Good documentation and excellent photos. |
Larry T. |
7 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
|
David W. |
4 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
Good description. This bird was well seen by
many people after Mr. Hoffman first identified it. Nice record. |
2020-21
Ruby-throated
Hummingbird
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
8 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
well-documented; great photos |
Kenny F. |
7 Jul 2020 |
Acc |
Photos and description match a male
Ruby-throated Hummingbird. |
Stephanie
G. |
11 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
Good photos, other species effectively ruled
out. |
Mike H. |
29 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
I believe the photos show enough to eliminate
the H-word and real time observation only strengthens my thoughts. |
Mike S. |
13 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
Excellent documentation of a very rare species
for Utah. I guess I need to start paying closer attention to my feeder! |
Bryan S. |
16 Jul 2020 |
Acc |
Nice to have an easy one once in a while |
Mark S. |
7 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
When I first saw that a record for Ruby-throated
Hummingbird was posted, I was filled with dread, thinking that we would be
facing a difficult female-plumage bird. Surprise! An adult male, well
described, and with good photos of all the important parts . . .
Maybe the best documentation of this species in Utah yet. No doubt on this
i.d. |
Larry T. |
7 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
|
David W. |
10 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
If there was any doubt before, the new photos of
the forked tail and pointy black wings cinch the case. Color of gorget,
black on face and chin, relative length of wings vs tail, and lack of
ringing trill all confirm this well-documented ID. Excellent record for a
species recorded surprisingly rarely in this state (considering its long
migrations and abundance so near our state). |
2020-22
Eastern Phoebe
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
14 Jul 2020 |
Acc |
Diagnostic photos |
Kenny F. |
7 Jul 2020 |
Acc |
Photos match Eastern Phoebe. |
Stephanie
G. |
11 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
Great find, other species effectively
eliminated. Tail-wagging behavior diagnostic. |
Mike H. |
7 Jul 2020 |
Acc |
|
Mike S. |
6 Jul 2020 |
Acc |
Good photos and description establish the ID of
Eastern Phoebe and rule out similar species. |
Bryan S. |
16 Jul 2020 |
Acc |
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Mark S. |
7 Jul 2020 |
Acc |
Excellent documentation and photos. |
Larry T. |
9 Jul 2020 |
Acc |
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David W. |
11 Jun 2020 |
Acc |
Checks out. I like the photos. |
2020-23
Parasitic Jaeger
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
14 Jul 2020 |
Acc |
I agree this is a Parasitic Jaeger based on a
review of Tim's linked photos |
2nd round: |
16 Aug 2020 |
Acc |
I would have a hard time accepting this as a
Pomarine Jaeger; It appears too slight structurally, with a thin bill and
a small head. There are also a few plumage details that better fit
Parasitic (tail, wings, etc.). |
Kenny F. |
29 Jul 2020 |
Acc |
While some features like the potbelly and
extensive white in the wings seem to favor Pomarine Jaeger, the thinner
bill that doesn't strongly contrast with the face, smaller head with
thinner neck and wings that aren't as broad as a Pomarine seem to more
strongly suggest Parasitic. |
2nd round: |
27 Aug 2020 |
Acc |
I believe the structural details as well of some
of the field marks in the plumage best support Parasitic Jaeger. |
Stephanie
G. |
7 Jul 2020 |
To 2nd |
On the surface, the observer makes a good case
for Parasitic. The apparent minimal barring in the undertail coverts. The
seemingly thin bill. At rest it appears to have a streaked nape,
possibly(?) However, in my view, there are a number of field marks that
weigh on the side of Pomarine Jaeger.
The underwing "double flash" is pretty apparent in more than one photo.
And the crescent on the top side of the primaries seem more like pale
bases and less of the full "crescent" patch that I'd expect to see in a
Parasitic, if that makes sense. I don't know if that's a diagnostic field
mark, but it's something.
At rest, the bird seems to have a rounded and uniformly dark head with no
crest -- that weighs on the side of Pomarine for me.
Color seems to be brown, not cinnamon. Although from the different
exposures and lighting conditions, the color is a bit hard to tell.
(Better for Pomarine)
Seems to have a sharply bi-colored bill. Bill size and shape is difficult
to tell at the distance of the photos.
The central tail feathers seem to barely extend past the tail, and appear
to have a blunt shape. (Pomarine trait)
The body seems to be quite bulky. I would think that an inland bird would
be emaciated -- to have that bulky of a belly, he had to be pretty bulky
to start out with. That barrel-chested look makes me think Pomarine.
Additionally, the wingspan, when compared to the Ring-billed it was
harassing, seemed better for Pomarine. I would expect a Parasitic to be a
touch smaller.
It's a difficult one. Right now I'm leaning more toward Pomarine as the
ID. But I'm interested to see what other committee members say. |
2nd round: |
25 Aug 2020 |
No, ID |
I'm going to stick by my original notes. The
discussion in ID frontiers was not a foregone and unanimous conclusion. In
most cases an inland jaeger would be emaciated; a bird with that extent of
a barrel-chest would be better for Pomarine.
Link
Along with the other field marks and impressions noted in my original
comments. The ID is questionable enough for me to continue to vote NO. |
Mike H. |
1 Aug 2020 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
12 Aug 2020 |
Acc |
|
Mike S. |
18 Jul 2020 |
Acc |
I'm in agreement with the observer, and the
eventual consensus reached by the experts who weighed in on the ID. I
believe the points in favor of Parasitic outweigh the concern of the
"double flash" underwing pattern (a characteristic which some immature
Parasitic can show). The observer does a good job of summarizing the
points in favor of Parasitic in the Similar Species section. |
2nd round: |
4 Aug 2020 |
Acc |
I still believe this is a Parasitic Jaeger for
all the reasons outlined by the observer. |
Bryan S.
2nd round: |
31 Aug 2020 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
7 Jul 2020 |
Acc |
The structure of this bird appears to fit
Parasitic better than Pomarine. I think Ryan's descriptions make a
convincing case. |
2nd round: |
4 Aug 2020 |
Acc |
As per my first round comments. I think the
identification is well-reasoned in the documentation submitted. |
Larry T. |
9 Jul 2020 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
24 Aug 2020 |
Acc |
I don't have any issues with this one being a
Parasitic. |
David W. |
17 Jul 2020 |
No, ID |
This is one of those records that makes me wish
we had an option to abstain. I haven't seen a jaeger in far too many years
to offer anything but book experience to this discussion.
When I look at this bird, I get a Parasitic vibe, based on the thin wings
and bill. According to the write-up's description of the opinion of
experts, my calibration on this vibe is off, but so be it. I'll let those
more familiar with this genus carry the water on this one. |
2nd round: |
29 Aug 2020 |
Acc |
Sorry, I got confused during the first round by
the back & forth aspect of this vote. I was voting against Pomarine.
As my comments suggest, I think it was a Parasitic.
That being said, I sure wouldn't bet any money on that. |
2020-24
Rivoli's Hummingbird
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
14 Jul 2020 |
No, ID |
This is an intriguing sighting, but I don't
believe there's enough documentation to establish this record as a
Rivoli's Hummingbird |
2nd round: |
16 Aug 2020 |
No, ID |
|
Kenny F. |
29 Jul 2020 |
Acc |
The lack of a prominient white eyestripe and
longer bill favor Rivoli's over Blue-throated Mountain-Gem.
Timing is good for Rivoli's with 3 previous June records on ebird. |
2nd round: |
27 Aug 2020 |
No, ID |
I still think that the observer may have had a
Rivoli's, the strength of the observation and notes aren't adequate for a
record with no photo documentation. |
Stephanie
G. |
29 Jul 2020 |
No, ID |
With it being such a brief
encounter, with the bird being too fast for a photo, and with size being
the primary field mark which can be a subjective perception, I'm going to
decline to accept this record. |
2nd round: |
25 Aug 2020 |
No, ID |
Size can be a subjective field mark. Other field
marks not adequately described. "greenish back and grayish chest" could be
Annas, Black-chinned, etc. |
Mike H. |
1 Aug 2020 |
No, ID |
I don t feel there is enough documentation or
description to eliminate similar species. |
2nd round: |
12 Aug 2020 |
No, ID |
I still feel that the documentation isn t
adequate. |
Mike S. |
18 Jul 2020 |
No, ID |
I really think that there is a decent chance the
observer did in fact see a Rivoli's Hummingbird. The timing is consistent
with previous records in Utah, and the observer's impression of size and
bill length definitely seem like they could be describing this species.
However, I do have some concerns. I think that size would be a more
reliable field mark if it was seen at a feeder near other hummingbirds.
The fact that this bird was perched on a barbed wire fence (presumably
alone with nothing to compare it to) makes me somewhat concerned about the
size impression.
Also, even if the size description was very convincing, I would like to
see a detailed description of the tail and underparts to help rule out a
Blue-throated Mountain-gem.
Looking forward to seeing what other committee members think of this one.
It's too bad this bird didn't return after it was initially reported. |
2nd round: |
4 Aug 2020 |
No, ID |
There are simply not enough details provided to
be confident about the ID. |
Bryan S.
2nd round: |
31 Aug 2020 |
No, ID |
Interesting record, but size is tricky and I
don't feel that there is enough to accept this record |
Mark S. |
7 Jul 2020 |
To 2nd |
Hey, I just wanted to use the new "To 2nd"
button, since I haven't yet.
Seriously, though, I have some problems with this record. The only things
we have to go on with this record is a large size and a long bill. The bill
size is relative to the body size, so if the bird was smaller than the
observer thought, it could easily be a female Black-chinned from that
description, since they, too, are greenish on the back and grayish on the
chest, and have a long bill in proportion to their body size. The
Black-chinned bill size in proportion to the head is virtually identical
to that of Rivoli's.
There is no note of the scaly appearance of the underparts that is a
fairly obvious feature of female Rivoli's.
So all we really have here is the observer's impression of size as being
"at least 5 inches."
I'm not sure I'm ready to approve a record based upon that alone. I'll
wait to see if any of you have similar concerns. |
2nd round: |
4 Aug 2020 |
No, ID |
Easy to switch to a "no" vote. I don't think
there's nearly enough to go on for such a rare sighting. Size alone won't
do it. |
Larry T. |
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2nd round: |
24 Aug 2020 |
No, ID |
Certainly not enough for me to accept this
record. |
David W. |
7 Jul 2020 |
No, ID |
I went into this record thinking I would vote to
accept, but I have reconsidered upon closer examination. I am
uncomfortable in basing the entire ID for such a rarity on size:
1) size of bird to eliminate all but the Blue-throated (assuming some
Central American beauty hadn't come for a visit), and
2) size of bill eliminate the Blue-throated. This seems a bit nuanced...
I would have liked a discussion of upper tail color and face pattern to
buttress this ID. Was it a smooth gray or speckled gray on the underparts?
How much white was there on the tips of the tail? I agree this was likely
the claimed species, but am not 100% convinced. |
2nd round: |
3 Aug 2020 |
No, ID |
I agree with Kenny that it was unlikely to be a
Mountain-gem, but I still don't believe the record adequately establishes
that it was a Rivoli's. |
2020-25
Cassin's Sparrow
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
14 Jul 2020 |
Acc |
Nice record with both photos and audio! |
Kenny F. |
29 Jul 2020 |
Acc |
Great documentation of the two Cassin's Sparrows
there. |
Stephanie
G. |
29 Jul 2020 |
Acc |
Well-documented sighting. |
Mike H. |
1 Aug 2020 |
Acc |
Well documented. |
Mike S. |
3 Aug 2020 |
Acc |
Excellent photos and diagnostic audio leave no
doubt. |
Bryan S. |
13 Aug 2020 |
Acc |
Awesome record and good job to the original
observer to pick this one out of all the other sparrows in the area |
Mark S. |
17 Jul 2020 |
Acc |
Come on folks, this is clearly just a female
House Sparrow lost in the desert . . .
Just kidding.
The excellent documentation, with top-notch photos and even audio make
this the best-documented occurrence of Cassin's Sparrow in Utah, and helps
establish a pattern that might lead someday to documented breeding here,
or at least regular vagrancy. |
David W. |
17 Jul 2020 |
Acc |
A superbly documented bird, seen and heard by very many birders in Utah.
Based on their range, this species likely passes through our state in much
larger numbers than reports would indicate. They are likely dismissed as
"drab sparrow sp." by most of us. |
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