2019-26
Nelson's Sparrow
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Kenny F. |
27 Oct 2019 |
No, ID |
A 15 second view of a bird in a marsh for a
possible state 2nd record isn't enough time for a clean view. |
2nd round: |
4 Jan 2020 |
No, ID |
Still not enough detail to rule out other species. |
Stephanie
G. |
11 Sep 2019 |
No, ID |
Another report from this observer who happens to
see all the rarities while others in his birding group do not.
Unfortunately it makes it difficult to accept any of his records without
photographic evidence at this point. |
2nd round: |
31 Dec 2019 |
No, ID |
No photos, no spectogram. Brief view and
observer has a history of unsubstantiated sightings. |
Mike H. |
14 Nov 2019 |
No, ID |
Records of this species that were observed east
of the Sierras and west of the Rockies are very few. When looking for well
documented records that match this criteria there are even fewer
(1-Farmington Bay 2014). Therefore, I feel this is a species that any
sight record for Utah will need to be scrutinized.
Without any concrete documentation, the only subject matter available is
the description by the observer. I feel the description is that of a
Nelson s Sparrow and does eliminate other more common species. So, this
leaves me to evaluate the source of the description. Because of personal
experiences I ve had with this observer in the field and his inclination
to ID unusual species without diagnostic field marks being observed, I don
t believe the record to be strong enough to accept. |
2nd round: |
20 Nov 2019 |
No, ID |
I still feel there isn t enough documentation
for this species. |
Mike S.
2nd: |
3 Jan 2020 |
No, ID |
I don't think there are enough details provided
to establish the ID of this super rare species for Utah. In addition to
lacking some plumage details, there was virtually no mention of structure
(including short tail, etc.). I would also like to see a more thorough
attempt to rule out similar species. |
Dennis S. |
4 Sep 2019 |
No, ID |
A few second look at a maga-rarity like this is
not sufficient. Other closely related Ammodramus sparrows were not
adequately eliminated. |
2nd round: |
24 Nov 2019 |
No, ID |
No change from first round comments. |
Bryan S. |
4 Nov 2019 |
No, ID |
Taking into account how rare this species is
here I am not convinced after reading the report |
2nd round: |
12 Dec 2019 |
No, ID |
Still not convinced |
Steve S. |
15 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
Given the field marks described I don't know
what else it could be. |
Mark S.
2nd: |
24 Nov 2019 |
No, ID |
I think that the view is too brief, and the lack of any evidence beyond a
scant description is insufficient to support a record of this rarity. |
Larry T. |
24 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
Brief sighting but that's about all you get with
this bird most of the time. Description points out important field marks to
eliminate similar species. |
2nd round: |
9 Jan 2020 |
No, ID |
I will change my vote after considering other
comments. |
David W. |
8 Sep 2019 |
No, ID |
That unease alluded to by others in comments to
previous records is beginning to grow in me. However, I need not act on it
because the record offers up enough doubt by itself.
I do not think the record is detailed enough to eliminate conclusively
other members of this notoriously subtle genus. Also, I find it puzzling
as to why a prominent and significant field mark like breast color was
omitted, especially under the excellent light conditions and since the
breast was clearly visible |
2nd round: |
18 Nov 2019 |
No, ID |
I continue to believe that this record
doesn't provide enough details to adequately eliminate its Ammodramus
congeners. |
2019-27
Blackpoll Warbler
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Kenny F. |
27 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
Photos and description match Blackpoll Warbler. |
Stephanie
G. |
11 Sep 2019 |
Acc |
Well documented |
Mike H. |
17 Sep 2019 |
Acc |
|
Dennis S. |
4 Sep 2019 |
Acc |
Good written report covered all bases. Very nice
substantiating photos. |
Bryan S. |
28 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
|
Steve S. |
15 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
|
Larry T. |
24 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
Nice photos. |
David
W. |
4 Sep 2019 |
Acc |
Tail shape & pattern, leg color, eye crescents,
wing bars, extent of yellow with vague streaking--what's not to love? Very
nicely documented. |
2019-28
White-eyed Vireo
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Kenny F. |
27 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
Description, including behavior fit fort
White-eyed Vireo. |
Stephanie
G. |
11 Sep 2019 |
Acc |
Well documented |
Mike H. |
4 Nov 2019 |
Acc |
I feel weird voting on my own sighting, but if I
had any doubt about the species I wouldn t have submitted a record. |
Dennis S. |
9 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
Even with a fairly short observation time, no
tell-telling song heard, and no verifying photos, the 6 described
characters fit the sum of its parts for this bird. I'm not sure anything
else does. |
Bryan S. |
28 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
|
Steve S. |
15 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
|
|
|
Larry T. |
24 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
Good description of a distinct bird. |
David W. |
11 Sep 2019 |
Acc |
Field marks sound convincing. Nice record, Mike. |
2019-29
Ruddy Ground-Dove
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F.
2nd: |
11 Jan 2020 |
No, ID |
I'm skeptical due to limited description of
ground-dove diagnostic features based on very brief viewing of bird in
flight, behavior associating with flock of larger doves, and timing is
also also suspect for vagrant Ruddy Ground-Dove (vagrant RuGD do not
typically move north until late fall or early winter). |
Kenny F. |
27 Oct 2019 |
No, ID |
Only male Ruddy Ground-Doves show rufous in the
uppertail, however the description of "gray/brown back with little
contrast to head" seem to indicate a female bird. Given the contrasting
field marks, I have to vote against the record.
Also doesn't the chest pattern or if the scapulars are marked or not which
are two other strong field marks to rule out the two ground-doves species
and are usually pretty obvious. |
2nd round: |
4 Jan 2020 |
Acc, NAS |
While this may have been a ground-dove, conflicting field marks don't make
a convincing case for either species. |
Stephanie
G. |
24 Sep 2019 |
No, ID |
Something's not quite adding up for me. If it
had a gray brown back with little contrast to head, it sounds like it
would be a Western subspecies female. But that wouldn't have a bright
rufous tail. In order to have the rufous tail as described, I'd expect the
description to include a ruddy overall appearance contrasting with the
head. So that doesn't seem to make sense to me. I wonder about some kind
of domestic pigeon or dove... |
2nd round: |
31 Dec 2019 |
No, ID |
Standing by my previous comments. |
Mike H. |
4 Nov 2019 |
No, ID |
I ve seen this species many, many times in
Mexico. The field mark that I found most noticeable is the wing coloration
in flight. The apparent red-ish wings are not even mentioned. |
2nd round: |
20 Nov 2019 |
No, ID |
Let me start by revising my above comment. I m
getting my neotropic birding mixed up. The RUGD I observed in Ecuador were
the individuals with the more rufous wings and the Mexico birds were much
more gray and muted. However, as I ve looked through numerous photos, In
western subspecies I m having trouble finding a more muted plumage that
has an upper tail that stands out from the rest of the back. The
individuals that have a distinctly rufous upper tail also have a rufous
back that contrasts with the head. The easternmost and least likely to
occur subspecies, are the only individuals that appear to have the plumage
described by the observers. I feel that they saw something rare in
comparison to the more common doves it accompanied, but there isn t enough
definitive documentation to say it was a RUGD. |
Dennis S. |
11 Oct 2019 |
No, ID |
This is a Toss-Up! Question is most likely which
of the small doves - CGDO, INDO. RGDO? The "bright rufous tail makes one
think Ruddy, but back color, juvenile/adult, short observation time
(flight only), clouds the the issue.Will be anxious to see what others
think on next round. |
2nd round: |
24 Nov 2019 |
No, ID |
The confusing coloration comments still leaves
considerable doubt as to which small dove it may have been. |
Bryan S. |
4 Nov 2019 |
No, ID |
Feel like the observer is basing the id primarily on tail color when the
bird flew, but not a satisfactory description of the bird to eliminate
other, more likely species. On a bird this rare I admit I am very
skeptical and the report didn't convince me |
2nd round: |
12 Dec 2019 |
No, ID |
nothing has changed from my comments in round
one. Not enough here to accept a mega-rarity like this |
Steve S. |
15 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
rufous tail should eliminate similar Common
Ground-Dove. |
Mark S.
2nd: |
25 Nov 2019 |
Acc, NAS |
I see this i.d. situation literally hundreds of
times each year, and sometimes many times in a single day. I can't usually
separate with confidence Ruddy and Common Ground-Doves by the color of the
tail/rump on a bird flying away, even in good light. The difference just
isn't that great.
I'm willing to believe that a ground-dove was seen, but not that it was
identifiable to species by the view described. |
Larry T. |
24 Oct 2019 |
No, ID |
I'm not able to accept this very rare bird
without a more detailed description from a longer observation or pics. Not
enough to eliminate a Common. |
2nd round: |
9 Jan 2020 |
No, ID |
As before. After looking back at the record and
reading other comments I haven't changed my thoughts. |
David W. |
13 Sep 2019 |
Acc |
This is a barely adequate record, lacking key
field marks like color of bill and underwing coverts, but I guess I will
vote to accept in this round, if only to get this to the second round for
some discussion. |
2nd round: |
18 Nov 2019 |
Acc |
I very much appreciate the argument about
back vs tail color made by some of the other voting members. It gave me
great pause and caused me to revisit my field guides and the internet.
Here is what I found:
1) Without resorting to some very distant species from South America (and
excluding quail-doves because of their other field marks), I am at a loss
to find a species of small dove with a gray/brown back and rufous tail.
2) Many drawings/photos of females of this species do show dull tails, but
some show considerable rufous coloration (though most also show varying
degrees of rufous in the folded wings, especially toward the bottom).
--"Pigeons and Doves: A Guide to the Pigeons and Doves of the World"
(Gibbs, et al) shows females with rufous upper tail coverts.
-- Howell & Webb's Mexico guide illustrates females with a brown back and
contrastingly rufous tail
-- The IBC website shows a beautiful photo of a female with a browish/gray
back and rufous tail (though one might argue against "bright rufous"):
https://www.hbw.com/ibc/photo/ruddy-ground-dove-columbina-talpacoti/female-fence-llanos-de-curundu
-- There are quite a few photos out there (Google "Ruddy ground-dove
female") showing females with dull gray/brown mantles but very bright
rufous rumps and rufous-washed tails, which one might certainly describe
as having a "bright rufous tail" if one were not intimately familiar with
the difference between rumps and tails. Just one of the many examples is
the oiseaux-birds website
http://www.oiseaux-birds.com/card-ruddy-ground-dove.html
So, I agree this is a troubling record , but I think it is troubling
because of its paucity of field marks rather than contradicting field
marks. I will continue to vote in the affirmative, bolstered by my further
study. I just don't see what other dove it could be, |
2019-30
Veery
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Kenny F. |
27 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
Great documentation for the longest staying
Veery recorded in Utah. |
Stephanie
G. |
24 Sep 2019 |
Acc |
Well-documented Western Veery |
Mike H. |
17 Sep 2019 |
Acc |
|
Dennis S. |
9 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
Good description and a host of good photos by
several observers leaves no doubt. I must be the only one who didn't see
this state lifer. So much for traveling!! |
Bryan S. |
28 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
|
Steve S. |
15 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
|
|
|
Larry T. |
24 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
Nice description with photos ( 2nd set ) do not
leave any questions for me on what can be a difficult Catharus I.D. |
David W. |
20 Sep 2019 |
Acc |
After seeing the photos from Terry Reid and
James Loveless (soon to be appended to the record), I am convinced this is
a Veery. The photo provided by James showing the back color was the
evidence I was missing to make my final decision.
-- The spots are on the heavy side for a Veery, but within the bell curve
for the Western race. I've seen Hermit thrushes with spots at least as
small as these.
-- The face is good for either a Veery or Hermit thrush (though the
eyering is better for Veery), but definitely rules out Swainson's.
-- The back is too rufous for Eastern Catharus thrushes, borderline for a
Faxoni Hermit thrush.
-- The tail was not contrastingly more rufous than the back, ruling out
Hermit thrush.
-- If my memory serves right, the Mesoamerican Catharus thrushes do not
have breast spots.
-
That leaves Veery as the only viable option in my mind. An excellent
record by Kenny! I am grateful for the documentation by him and others he
allowed into his yard to see and photograph this bird.
It seems like these used to be reported more commonly within Utah in the
past, even singing in Heber Valley, if I recall. |
2019-31
Tennessee Warbler
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Kenny F. |
27 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
Yellow undertail coverts distinguish this
species from the similar Orange-crowned Warbler. |
2nd round: |
4 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
Tennesee Warblers can show whitish undertail coverts and even a hint of
yellow, however Orange-crowned Warblers will never have undertail coverts
that look whitish. |
Stephanie
G. |
14 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
Wish there was a picture, but the description
seems pretty clear |
2nd round: |
31 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
Still seems to match description for Tennessee
Warbler |
Mike H. |
18 Nov 2019 |
Acc |
Description of bill would eliminate similarly
patterned vireos. Undertail color eliminates Orange-crowned Warbler. |
2nd round: |
8 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
I still feel the observation in question is a
TEWA. The whitish undertail coverts in the description could be describing
a first year bird or reflection from leaves. |
Mike S.
2nd: |
3 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
The description is fairly short but gets to the
point and I believe adequately rules out orange-crowned. I see no issues
with "whitish" undertail coverts for a hatch-year Tennessee warbler. Also
helpful is that the observer has extensive prior experience with OCWA and
at least some experience with TEWA. Timing also lines up with past
Tennessee warblers reported in Utah. |
Dennis S. |
11 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
All parts fit for TEWA. Good comparison with
OCWA. |
2nd round: |
4 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
Based on written description still believe it
was a TEWA. |
Bryan S. |
4 Nov 2019 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
13 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
|
Steve S. |
15 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
25 Nov 2019 |
Acc |
Description fits and adequately eliminates
similar species. |
2nd round: |
4 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
I think the description is good enough to
support this i.d. |
Larry T. |
24 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
Important field marks noted on a annual eastern
Warbler. |
2nd round: |
8 Jan 2010 |
Acc |
I still think the description fits. |
David W. |
24 Oct 2019 |
No, ID |
Again, I would like some discussion, so am
bouncing this bird into the second round. There are some very convincing
field marks mentioned for this bird, but two things that make me
uncomfortable:
1) The undertail coverts are described as whitish rather than white
2) The comparison to an Orange-crowned warbler
mentions wing bars to differentiate the two species. Neither has prominent
wing bars (and both can have subtle ones), so does that mean this one did
have prominent wing bars?? |
2nd round: |
12 Jan 2010 |
Acc |
I still think this description is a bit
troubling, but I will vote to accept in the second round. |
2019-32
Blackpoll Warbler
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Kenny F. |
27 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
Great shots of a Blackpoll Warbler. |
Stephanie
G. |
14 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
Nice sighting |
Mike H. |
22 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
|
Dennis S. |
11 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
Nice photos, written description, and comparison
with other similar species. |
Bryan S. |
4 Nov 2019 |
Acc |
|
Steve S. |
15 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
25 Nov 2019 |
Acc |
|
Larry T. |
24 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
Nice photos make it easy. |
David W. |
26 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
Very good photos and description indicate this
species. Good job on similar species portion. I think the photos clearly
show pinkish legs, consistent with this species. |
2019-33 Red
Phalarope
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Kenny F. |
27 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
Pictures and description rule out Red-necked. |
Stephanie
G. |
14 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
RIP |
Mike H. |
14 Nov 2019 |
Acc |
Good photo. |
Dennis S. |
8 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
Nice full frame photos! |
Bryan S. |
28 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
|
Steve S. |
15 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
25 Nov 2019 |
Acc |
|
Larry T. |
27 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
Photos look good to me. |
David W. |
26 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
Excellent photos and description indicate this
species. |
2019-34
Reddish Egret
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Kenny F. |
27 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
Nice shots of a immature Reddish Egret. |
Stephanie
G. |
14 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
Nice find |
Mike H. |
22 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
|
Dennis S. |
11 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
Not sure about some noted comparisons with LBHE
but photos and multiple observations over time are convincing. |
Bryan S. |
28 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
|
Steve S. |
15 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
4 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
Good description and photos. |
Larry T. |
12 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
|
David W. |
24 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
Photos and write-up are convincing. Body
proportions and bill shape also support this species. |
2019-35
Tropical Kingbird
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Kenny F. |
27 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
Photos rule out the similar Couch's Kingbird as
well as the description of the vocalizations. |
Stephanie
G. |
4 Nov 2019 |
Acc |
Cool stuff! |
Mike H. |
18 Nov 2019 |
Acc |
This is a species I ve spent a fair amount of
time studying in the past. I agree that pattern of wings and shape/size of
bill favors Tropical |
Dennis S. |
28 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
Nice photos. |
Bryan S. |
12 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
|
Steve S. |
30 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
4 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
Good documentation. My assessment regarding
Tropical v. Couch's is in line with the quoted experts - bill size and
wing formula favor Tropical, in spite of lack of vocalizations. I couldn't
hear anything on the audio. |
Larry T. |
12 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
From the photos I don't have a problem calling
this Kingbird a Tropical and not a much more unusaul Couch's. |
David W. |
24 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
Excellent photos. Both Mr. Holden's write-up
here and Mike Schiff's write-up on eBird are very convincing. |
2019-36
Fulvous Whistling-Duck
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F.
2nd: |
11 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
Species is not in question, and with no obvious
reason to suspect otherwise, I support this as a naturally occurring
vagrant Fulvous Whistling-Duck |
Kenny F. |
27 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
This species has shown to be prone to vagrancy
in the west in the fall with numerous records in Arizona and California. 3
other records of this species in more northerly areas of Utah have been
accepted in the past as well so I think that it is unlikely this bird was
an escapee. |
2nd round: |
4 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
This species has shown to be prone to vagrancy
in the west in the fall with numerous records in Arizona and California. 3
other records of this species in more northerly areas of Utah have been
accepted in the past as well so I think that it is unlikely this bird was
an escapee. |
Stephanie
G. |
4 Nov 2019 |
Acc |
Seems pretty clear |
2nd round: |
4 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
Continuing to accept; unless we have evidence
that it's an escapee, I agree to accept. |
Mike H. |
18 Nov 2019 |
Acc |
Species can t really be questioned here. The
only real doubt on this bird would be provenance. As far as that goes, I
ve always felt that if there isn t proof of where the bird originated, the
record should stand. However, there are exceptions to this, but I don t
feel this species would fall into that category. |
2nd round: |
5 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
With no new information to prove provenance, I
still vote to accept. |
Mike S.
2nd: |
5 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
As others have stated, the photos leave no doubt
about the ID. The timing is consistent with other western records of this
species.
In terms of the possibility of this being an escapee - Although I knew it
would be a long shot, I emailed Best Friends Animal Society in Kanab
(about 10 miles north of Jackson Flat Reservoir). I was informed that they
are not missing any ducks, and they are not aware of anybody who is. |
Dennis S. |
28 Oct 2019 |
Acc |
Great find!! |
Bryan S. |
12 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
13 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
|
Steve S. |
30 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
4 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
The i.d. is not in question - this is a Fulvous
Whistling-Duck. The only question would be of origin, and I think that
this location, as well as the history of this species as a vagrant
(including to Utah), do not cause me to think this to be of captive
origin. |
2nd round: |
19 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
No reason to suspect an escapee |
Larry T. |
12 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
9 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
I understand the concern of the origin for this
bird but with no reason to believe anything but a natural occurring bird
in this area I will vote to accept. |
David W. |
24 Oct 2019 |
No, Nat |
The photos eliminate other very similar
whistling ducks (esp the Lesser whistling-duck). I am bouncing this to the
second round ONLY because I want to see whether anyone has checked
zoos/aviaries/private collections in the area to see if any of their
charges have recently fled. I have seen this species in too many
collections to dismiss that idea.
I wish we had the option to pass without judgement to the second round. |
2nd round: |
13 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
OK, if no one has heard any suggestion of this
species having escaped in our region, I will drop my concern. |
2019-37
Black Scoter
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Kenny F. |
4 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
Photos match Black Scoter. |
Stephanie
G. |
4 Nov 2019 |
Acc |
Seems pretty clear |
Mike H. |
4 Nov 2019 |
Acc |
Good photo! |
Dennis S. |
24 Nov 2019 |
Acc |
|
Bryan S. |
12 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
|
Steve S. |
30 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
4 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
Photos show a female Black Scoter. |
Larry T. |
12 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
|
David W. |
5 Nov 2019 |
Acc |
The photos tell the tale.
This is a species that definitely should be taken off our review list, in
my opinion. I didn't even realize it was on the list. |
2019-38
Black Scoter
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Kenny F. |
4 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
Nice photos of a Black Scoter. Above average
fall for them this year. |
Stephanie
G. |
31 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
Photo clearly shows Black Scoter. Good year for
them it seems. |
Mike H. |
14 Nov 2019 |
Acc |
|
Dennis S. |
24 Nov 2019 |
Acc |
|
Bryan S. |
17 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
|
Steve S. |
30 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
30 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
Good photos. |
Larry T. |
12 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
|
David W. |
4 Nov 2019 |
Acc |
Yup. Saves me the trouble of writing this one up
with my inferior photos. Again, the excellent photos with this record tell
the tale. |
2019-39 Gila
Woodpecker
| resubmission comments (2021) |
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
11 Jan 2020 |
No, ID |
Description is inadequate to accept such an
exceptional vagrant record. |
2nd round: |
13 Feb 2020 |
No, ID |
Again, this would be an unprecedented record for
a species that is almost never observed outside of it's range. While I
suppose it is remotely possible that a Gila Woodpecker could make such an
unprecedented movement, in such a case, one might assume a non-migratory
vagrant would stay in the area for awhile. So, based on the lack of
vagrancy patterns, the failure by subsequent observers to relocate or
corroborate this sighting, as well as the lack of supporting photos /
physical evidence, I believe the "actual evidence we have before us"
suggests something other than a Gila Woodpecker was observed. |
Kenny F. |
4 Jan 2020 |
No, ID |
This species shows virtually no vagrancy and
essentially no records north of I-40 in Arizona, over 125 miles away.
Without a photograph for an exceptional state first record like this, I
assume was a mistaken Ladder-backed Woodpecker which shows many similar
field marks. |
2nd round: |
9 Mar 2020 |
No, ID |
The lack of optics used in viewing this bird
makes me think the bird was misidentified and was a different species of
woodpecker due to the lack of vagrancy exhibited by this species. Even
birds viewed at a close distance can be misidentified with a lack of
optics for close study. |
Stephanie
G. |
4 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
I was on the fence about this because there were
no pictures or recordings, but it's a really strong description that seems
to rule out other species. And with the observer's experience with
woodpecker specimens in the hand, I was swayed in favor of accepting the
record. |
2nd round: |
15 Feb 2020 |
No, ID |
Been on the fence so much with this one. His
description really does seem to fit Gila, and his extensive experience
with birds in the hand tipped me in his favor in the first round. However,
reading the comments of the Washco eBird reviewer, noting that he visited
the area with no signs of the bird, and the lack of physical evidence, and
that this species is not prone to vagrancy, and it would be quite an
exceptional record, a state first, there's enough question with the record
to vote no. |
Mike H. |
5 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
Well written report. The observer s experience
with more likely, similar species helped in eliminating other options. |
2nd round: |
20 Feb 2020 |
No, ID |
Every vagrant that has been observed in Utah was
once a First State Record. However, I do agree that such an exceptional
record would require more evidence than what was provided to be accepted. |
Mike S.
2nd : |
13 Jan 2020 |
No, ID |
As the Washington County eBird reviewer, I
emailed the observer immediately after seeing this report. I suggested
other (more likely) possibilities and explained to him the unlikelihood of
a Gila woodpecker occurring in Utah. In his reply, he communicated a high
level of confidence that a Gila woodpecker is what he observed. That
confidence also appears to be reflected in this sight record, which seems
to rule out other, more likely species that may appear vaguely similar.
Despite this, I maintain my doubts for the following reasons, most of
which were already stated by other voting members in the first round:
1. No optical equipment was used. To me this is a red flag even if the
bird was seen at close range.
2. This species is not prone to vagrancy. I can only find one record (from
the San Francisco area) that is any significant distance outside of its
usual range.
3. The observer was not with anyone else to back up the ID. Others (myself
included) visited this location in the days following the initial report
and were unable to locate anything that resembled a Gila woodpecker.
4. There is no photo, audio recording, etc.
I think that any one or two of those concerns would not necessarily be a
dealbreaker here. But when combined, I cannot bring myself to accept such
an exceptional vagrant and first state record. My interpretation of this
committee's bylaws is that potential first state records should be held to
a very high standard for acceptance. When I take all factors into
consideration, I think this record falls just a notch below that standard.
|
Bryan S. |
12 Jan 2020 |
No, ID |
I can't accept a first of state record when the
observer didn't have binos, even if it was only seven feet away. |
2nd round: |
13 Jan 2020 |
No, ID |
Brief view with no binos of a sedentary species
way out or range |
Steve S. |
30 Dec 2019 |
No, ID |
Can't accept on this report, not without other
witnesses or photos for someone not familiar with this bird. |
Mark S. |
30 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
The description is very thorough, and
establishes the i.d. of this very distinctive woodpecker. No other bird
fits the description given. |
2nd round: |
19 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
The description more than adequately eliminates
similar species. There is literally no other woodpecker with an entirely
plain gray head.
So if it's not a Gila Woodpecker, then either the observer didn't see it
well (and at 7 feet distance, binoculars would have been useless), or he's
lying.
Both of those possibilities are why there's a "hypothetical" category for
exactly cases like this. But voting to reject involves making judgements
for which we have no evidence regarding the observer, and ignoring the
actual evidence we have before us. |
Larry T. |
9 Jan 2020 |
No, ID |
|
2nd round: |
8 Mar 2020 |
No, ID |
I still don't feel good about accepting this
record with what we got to work with. A photo or binns would have helped
me. |
David W. |
16 Nov 2019 |
Acc |
I don't see what else could have the combination
of field marks reported. It is unfortunate no photos were taken. I would
therefore vote to add this species to the hypothetical list. |
2nd round: |
13 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
The very detailed description of the face, head,
neck, extent of red on crown, and breast eliminates a Ladder-backed. I
really cannot see what other species could fit this set of field marks.
As for this being a first-state record, we've had a lot of those lately. I
am sympathetic to the argument about it being a pity the observer did not
take a photo, but that is a separate argument. I encourage all who are making
that argument to read bylaw #11 under the section entitled "C. Voting and
Acceptance Criteria." That discusses how to handle state firsts.
I personally think that this record qualifies under subparts (1) and (2)
of that bylaw, and vote to put it on our hypothetical list as "accepted
but not verified with physical evidence." |
2019-39r Gila
Woodpecker
Resubmission
comments, (23 Feb 2021) with "on its merits" bylaws change (IV.C.11)
| original comments |
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
10 Apr 2021 |
No, ID |
I support the UBRC's previous decision on
this record. |
2nd round: |
24 May 2021 |
No, ID |
As I stated before I will stand by the UBRC's
original decision on this record. I still believe this process of
re-reviewing a few handpicked records (and let's be clear they were not
"re-submitted") is completely arbitrary, lacks in process, and ultimately
undermines the UBRC's credibility. I understand there were some slight
changes in the committee's bylaws, but if we are going to apply these
changes retrospectively, than we should use a systematic process.
Re-reviewing a few records hand selected by the secretary appears
desultory at best.
Specifically regarding the Gila Woodpecker sighting this would be an
unprecedented record for a species that is almost never observed outside
of it's range. While I suppose it is marginally possible that a Gila
Woodpecker could make such an unprecedented movement, in such a case, one
would assume a non-migratory vagrant would stay in the area for awhile.
So, based on the lack of vagrancy patterns, the failure by subsequent
observers to relocate or corroborate this sighting, this coming from an
unknown observer with no previous or subsequent track record observing or
reporting birds, as well as the lack of supporting photos / physical
evidence, I believe that "on it's merits" the "actual evidence we have
before us" suggests something other than a Gila Woodpecker was observed. |
Stephanie
G. |
28 Mar 2021 |
Acc |
Observer seemed to have extensive experience
with the species in the hand. Even though there's no photo, the experience
plus detailed description have me convinced. |
2nd round: |
24 May 2021 |
Acc |
As unlikely of a sighting as it is, I'm still
convinced of this record. Observer had hands-on experience with other
species, a very clear view of the bird, and a detailed description ruling
out other species. |
3rd round: |
12 Jul 2021 |
Acc |
I like David's comments in the second round --
I'm not happy about it but there aren't any other species that would match
the description. |
Mike H. |
11 Apr 2021 |
Acc |
I feel this record does a better job of
eliminating other species than describing why it is a GIWO. As a first
state record I still feel photos or audio should be required. |
2nd round: |
20 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
I still fell there is enough to accept according
to the bylaw language. |
3rd round: |
7 Aug 2021 |
No, ID |
I've softened quite a bit on my previous accept
vote on this record. I've probably been given too much time to think about
it and now I m just indecisive. |
Max M.
3rd: |
20 Aug 2020 |
No, ID |
Without optics? I'm very skeptical of such a
rare sighting for a species not known to wander. |
Bryant
O. |
23 Feb 2021 |
No, ID |
I'm not convinced they didn't just see a
Ladder-backed, which often have a brownish buff breast. Gila are not known
to wander out of habitat and we are well north of their range. |
2nd round: |
26 May 2021 |
No, ID |
With only a naked eye view of the bird, I'm
still hesitant to believe they saw what they describe and this would be a
very far out of range for a species not known to wander |
3rd round: |
2 Jul 2021 |
No, ID |
Its all to easy to get false impression and
colors off birds naked eye with a 30 second look, without confirming with
better optics I have a hard time accepting this unlikely species. The lack
of field experience of the observer is also troubling, examining specimens
in the hand and looking at wild living birds in the field are entirely
different things. |
Mike S. |
4 Apr 2021 |
Acc |
I am just as skeptical about this record now as
I was when we first voted on it, and I stand by my previous comments.
However, given the Bylaws changes, here is my rationale for accepting this
time around:
If we are only paying attention to the description itself, Gila Woodpecker
is definitely the best match. I cannot use vagrancy timing as a criteria
since there is virtually no precedent for Gila Woodpecker vagrancy.
However, the timing is consistent with vagrancy patterns exhibited by many
other species. If a vagrant Gila Woodpecker were to show up in Utah
(however unlikely that may be), this date may well fall within the range
one might expect.
This feels like an uncomfortable "accept" vote, but I'll live with that
decision for now. |
2nd round: |
4 Jun 2021 |
No, ID |
I'm reverting back to my original vote on this
record, which I believe is the correct call after further reflection.
The observer is clearly sincere in his belief that he saw a Gila
Woodpecker. If we are only basing this record off of the written
description and nothing else, then I have to admit that Gila Woodpecker
appears to be the best match.
However, in his 30-second binocular-less view, I cannot rule out the
possibility that the observer may have seen a Ladder-backed Woodpecker,
which is common at this location, and much of the description seems to fit
(back pattern, crown color, breast color seems inconclusive). The tan/gray
head with no other markings seems to be the most compelling feature for a
Gila Woodpecker. However, the circumstances of the observation are
concerning to me (particularly no optical equipment and the fact that this
species virtually never wanders out of range). There are even very few
eBird records of this species from the far southern tip of Nevada, which
is not far out of range.
When considering everything, I believe this is an intriguing observation,
and the observer MAY have seen a Gila Woodpecker. However, given that this
would be a truly exceptional record, I am simply not confident enough to
accept based on the information we have. |
3rd round: |
1 Jul 2021 |
No, ID |
No changes from my second round comment. |
Bryan S. |
11 Apr 2021 |
No, ID |
I am skeptical that the observer was able to
observe everything he describes in the report. It is very detailed for not
having binoculars even if the bird was only 7 feet away. He mentions
comparing specimens and I wonder how much actual birding experience he has
because things appear different in the field than in hand |
2nd round: |
19 May 2021 |
No, ID |
I just can't make myself believe that this
observer really saw what they think they did |
3rd round: |
4 Jul 2021 |
No, ID |
|
Steve S.
2nd: |
26 Jan 2020 |
No, ID |
No experience, no optics, no way. |
Mark S. |
14 Mar 2021 |
Acc |
The description rules out any other woodpecker
species. |
2nd round: |
6 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
The description of the head rules out any other
US woodpecker, and even any Mexican ones. |
3rd round: |
28 Jul 2021 |
Acc |
The only possibilities for rejecting this record
is to doubt what the observer saw, or his honesty. I have no information
to support either of those conclusions. |
David W. |
23 Feb 2021 |
Acc |
I cannot think of another North American
woodpecker this might have been. The limited extent of the red on the
crown, the description of the breast down to the tail area. It all
matches. |
2nd round: |
19 May 2021 |
Acc |
I'm not happy about it, but I still can't find a
better substitute for this species based on that description. |
3rd round: |
27 Jul 2021 |
Acc |
I did not check my field guide to the birds of
the Caribbean to bolster Mark's comment, but I still cannot turn this bird
into anything more local other than a Gila. |
Kevin W.
3rd: |
27 Aug 2021 |
No, ID |
There are far too many questions to accept this
record without photo or corroboration of some other sort. Inexperience
with the species, lack of optics, lack of other witnesses, unlikelihood of
vagrancy of the species - all lead me to question the sighting. It may
have been a Gila Woodpecker, but the observer fails to prove it. |
2019-40
McCown's Longspur
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Kenny F. |
4 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
Photos show the diagnostic plain face and tail
pattern. |
Stephanie
G. |
4 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
Nice sighting |
Mike H. |
8 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
Other than the tail pattern, photo A shows
everything you could ask for to ID this bird to species. |
Mike S. |
5 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
Excellent write-up by Mike H and nice photos by
Taylor leave no doubt about the ID. |
Dennis S. |
4 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
Good written description and supporting photos
leave no question. If only all records were this easy! |
Bryan S. |
17 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
30 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
Excellent photos and description. |
Larry T. |
9 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
|
David W. |
15 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
Excellent photos. |
2019-41
Boreal Owl
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Kenny F. |
4 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
This area has been known for Boreal Owl
sightings in the past and the timing corresponds with the description and
recording of the diagnostic call. |
Stephanie
G. |
10 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
Seems right for the juv call |
Mike H. |
4 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
I ve spent quite a bit of time searching audio of both Boreal Owl and the
more likely Saw-whet. The first audio recording from the observers (https://ebird.org/checklist/S60355073 )
has a chip call ~6 seconds in to the recording, and Xeno-canto has a
Boreal Owl recording from 10-02-2019 ( https://www.xeno-canto.org/500412 )
containing a chip call just after the 9 second mark that is nearly
identical when compared on a spectrogram. I could not find anything from a
NSWO that matched or was anywhere close. |
Mike S. |
8 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
I located a
Boreal owl call recording on xeno-canto that matches up very well with
part of Kenny's audio recording. See:
https://www.xeno-canto.org/110185
I will note that I don't think this is the juvenile call, as the
recordings I found that were labeled as juvenile calls sounded quite
different.
In any case, there is evidence for at least one bird, and a good
description of a separate male advertisement call (two separate birds). If
Kenny is confident that there were three different individuals then I am
comfortable accepting this record. |
Bryan S. |
4 Feb 2020 |
Acc |
Not sure about the juvenile call (my own lack of
study) but accepting since they also heard adult winnowing vocalizations
|
Mark S. |
30 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
Recorded call matches Boreal Owl call, as does
the description of the male call. |
Larry T. |
9 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
|
David W. |
7 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
Known location |
2019-42
McCown's Longspur
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Kenny F. |
4 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
Photos show the diagnostic tail pattern. |
Stephanie
G. |
4 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
Wow! All the way down in Enterprise! |
Mike H. |
8 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
Good photos. The longspur is shown well in photo
I , tail patterned black inverted T is shown in photo K , and the
diagnostic rusty median coverts are most evident in photo A & D . |
Mike S. |
5 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
|
Dennis S. |
21 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
|
Bryan S. |
13 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
30 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
Excellent description and photographs. |
Larry T. |
9 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
|
David W. |
7 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
Photos of tail diagnostic. |
2019-43
Eastern Bluebird
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F.. |
11 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
Eastern Bluebird flock still present through
1/11/2020 |
Kenny F. |
4 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
Great photos of Eastern Bluebirds. Looks to be
of the eastern subspecies. |
Stephanie
G. |
4 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
Nice find and pictures! |
Mike H. |
15 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
Good photos showing diagnostic field marks. |
Dennis S. |
21 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
|
Bryan S. |
17 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
30 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
Excellent documentation. |
Larry T. |
9 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
|
David W. |
16 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
Good photos and writeup leave little doubt. |
2019-44
Black Scoter
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F.
2nd: |
13 Feb 2020 |
No, ID |
Agree with David and Mike's first round
comments: Description does not match adult male Black Scoter. The
description is better, but still limited for immature/ female type Black
Scoters. |
Kenny F. |
4 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
Description matches Black Scoter. Irruption fall
for this species. |
2nd round: |
9 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
I believe that the observer had 4 Black Scoters
but just got the age/sex wrong on some of them. |
Stephanie
G. |
10 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
15 Feb 2020 |
Acc |
I believe Mr. Webb's description and experience
are pretty straightforward. |
Mike H. |
12 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
Description of rounded head would eliminate a
similarly patterned sub-adult Surf Scoter. |
2nd round: |
29 Feb 2020 |
Acc |
I still feel the description is still adequate
for this species during a banner Winter for them. |
Mike S. |
13 Jan 2020 |
No, ID |
I believe this is an experienced observer who
likely saw 4 black scoters, but I would to see some discussion on this
record.
The description of nondescript ducks with a light gray neck and cheek
doesn t sound like adult male black scoters to me. Although the
description could fit adult females or (more likely) juveniles, I am not
sure we are left with enough to definitively establish the ID, and rule
out other possibilities.
I am curious to see if anyone else has any similar concerns. |
2nd round: |
10 Mar 2020 |
No, ID |
Since I'm not the only one who expressed some
concerns with this description, I will stick with my "No" vote in the
second round. I would feel better about this record if ruddy duck was
mentioned in the similar species section, especially since the description
is not a match for adult male black scoters. |
Dennis S. |
21 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
Big year for Black Scoters it seems |
Bryan S. |
4 Feb 2020 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
12 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
30 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
Adequate description eliminates similar species;
experienced observer. |
2nd round: |
12 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
I guess I'll rely mostly on the observer's
experience, in spite of the shortcomings/inconsistencies of the write-up.
With at rarer species or more unusual date, greater caution might be
warranted, but this sighting is consistent with past occurrences of Black
Scoter. |
Larry T. |
9 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
24 Mar 2020 |
No, ID |
I shouldn't accept the record just because of
the observers experience or the regularity of this species. So because of
the lacking write up I'll change my vote. |
David W. |
29 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
It seems a bit presumptuous for me to critique a
record submitted by a man with a lifetime of such experience (Google
article entitled "G. Merrill Webb Bird Specialist Extraordinaire"), but
such is the task before us.
I have little doubt that Merrill saw four black scoters, but I am
accepting this record with some hesitation because it focuses on expert
minutia while being very vague about some of the more obvious field marks.
I especially wish that the extent of the light gray on the neck and cheek
was recorded. Does he mean like on a female or an immature male? It is the
omission made by a man who quickly dispenses with the obvious and moves on
to nuance, but it leaves the reviewer having to make assumptions. Also, a
less confident birder might have taken a moment to assuage the niggling
concerns of this reviewer by dispensing with Ruddy ducks or something more
exotic like Red-crested pochards as a possibility in the Similar Species
section.
Perhaps most importantly, I am confused by the choice of adult male as the
age & sex. With light gray on the neck and cheek? Maybe I need to take one
of Merrill's classes, but I was not aware that adult males of this species
in any plumage had this combination of field marks. The All About Birds
website has an excellent photo of an immature male with pale blotches on
cheek and neck, which one could cram into this description with a bit of
effort, and the National Geographic guide shows a 1st winter male
illustration that is a good fit, so I will take that as the intended
plumage.
I am curious what others think. Again, I wish I could have the option of
choosing "Bump to second round" rather than "Accept" or "No". |
2nd round: |
18 Feb 2020 |
Acc |
I stand by my reservations and comments from
first round. Unlikely an adult male, unless I am missing something. |
2019-45
Bronzed Cowbird
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
11 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
This is a very sparse record of an old
observation; however if there are no standards for records without
supporting media, than I suppose "a black bird with red eyes" is
diagnostic for a Bronzed Cowbird. |
2nd round: |
13 Feb 2020 |
Acc |
|
Kenny F. |
4 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
Description include humpbacked look and red eye
seemingly rule out all other species of blackbird. |
2nd round: |
9 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
Adequate enough details for this species to rule
out other blackbird species. |
Stephanie
G. |
10 Jan 2020 |
No, ID |
Ugh I'm so on the fence with this one. His
description seems to match Bronzed Cowbird perfectly with that red eye.
Trying to think of what else it could be. But without pictures, it's hard
to accept such a rarity in the first round. Voting no to push through for
further discussion. |
2nd round: |
15 Feb 2020 |
Acc |
I suppose the description doesn't fit anything
else. Wish there were pictures, but what else is new. |
Mike H. |
5 Feb 2020 |
Acc |
Soft accept, but would be happy to see other s
comments. One thing that stood out to me when I ve observed BRCO is the
grosbeak-ish bill. I like that the observer made note of this. |
2nd round: |
20 Feb 2020 |
Acc |
After reading everyone s comments in the first
round, I don't feel there is any reason to change from my first round
acceptance. |
Mike S. |
8 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
The combination of field marks described,
including bill and body structure, red eye, and iridescent blue-green
wings all point to a male bronzed cowbird. |
2nd round: |
7 Feb 2020 |
Acc |
I stand by my first round comments.
I would be more hesitant to accept if the description was based on memory
2+ years later. However, I believe that the reporting of field notes
strengthens the documentation. |
Bryan S. |
4 Feb 2020 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
12 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
Hard to accept since I am so skeptical about
everything, but the description fits perfect |
Mark
S. |
30 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
Although I have some reservations given the age
of the sighting, the description is good enough to eliminate other
species. The date and location are logical for a sighting like this. |
2nd round: |
12 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
As per my first round comment. |
Larry T. |
25 Jan 2019 |
Acc |
Description eliminates other species. |
2nd round: |
24 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
As before. |
David W. |
26 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
Hunchbacked, thick-billed, iridescent of wing,
and red of eye. Nailed it. |
2nd round: |
18 Feb 2020 |
Acc |
Still think this is a clear record -- bit sparse but diagnostic. |
2019-46
Pomarine Jaeger
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
11 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
Another marginal record with a very sparse
description and no photos, but I suppose the 'twisted tail' is sufficient
to separate from other jaeger spp. |
Kenny F. |
4 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
Field marks reference several diagnostic field
marks for this species including the tail shape that an adult would show
in May. |
Stephanie
G. |
10 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
|
Mike H. |
8 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
The description of the tail would eliminate
other Jaeger sp. |
Mike S. |
12 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
The description of the twisted tail projections
matches an adult pomarine jaeger and rules out the similar parasitic
jaeger. Since this field mark was seen well, I have no problem accepting
this older record. |
Bryan S. |
4 Feb 2020 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
30 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
In spite of the age of this sighting, the
description is adequate to establish identity. |
Larry T. |
25 Jan 2019 |
Acc |
Pretty distinct plumage. |
David W. |
29 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
Seems a bit immodest to vote to accept my own
record from so long ago, but I did see the twist in the tail clearly. |
2019-47
Yellow-bellied Sapsucker
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
11 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
Clearly a juvenile Yellow-bellied Sapsucker.
(This bird was first reported by Steve and Cindy Sommerfeld on 12/03/2019;
still present as of 1/11/2020). |
2nd round: |
13 Feb 2020 |
Acc |
I don't see anything about this bird that would
suggest hybridization. I'm very comfortable supporting this as a
first-winter Yellow-bellied Sapsucker. |
Kenny F. |
4 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
Only Yellow-bellied Sapsuckers will still be in
juvenile plumage at this time of year and photos match Yellow-bellied. |
2nd round: |
9 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
There is no indication of hybridization in this
particular bird and a potential hybrid most likely wouldn't be in juvenile
plumage at this date. |
Stephanie
G. |
4 Jan 2020 |
No, ID |
Although many traits do lead us to
Yellow-bellied, a hybrid cannot effectively be ruled out. It's likely that
it's a "pure" YBSA but hybrid can't be ruled out by the photos. From
Stephen Shunk:
"From these images, it's not possible to completely rule out a YB x RB
hybrid, but they are rare, so the likelihood is a pure YBSA."
The *likelihood* is that it's pure YBSA but we can't rule out hybrids, so
I have to vote no. |
2nd round: |
15 Feb 2020 |
Acc |
Fiiiine, I'll accept it as a YBSA. I do think
that *from what we can see* in the photos, most traits fit for YBSA. I do
think the photos are lacking and there still is some doubt, but if it IS a
hybrid, it's likely a cross-back hybrid, due to the extensive back marking
and the timing of the moult. So, close enough genetically to be close
enough to accept. |
Mike H. |
5 Feb 2020 |
Acc |
Plumage for time of year combined with other
noted field marks are enough to rule out a hybrid or other species. |
2nd round: |
8 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
My opinion hasn't changed |
Mike S. |
12 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
Photos show a sapsucker with extensive buffy
plumage. Back pattern appears rather "messy" (not aligned in two neat
rows). I can't tell if there is a tinge of red on the nape in one of the
photos, but it may just be an artifact of the photograph.
Nevertheless, most of what I see matches a juvenile yellow-bellied
sapsucker, which is the only sapsucker still in juvenile plumage during
late December. I see no red flags that may indicate hybridization.
[On a side note, I found the commentary in the notes interesting regarding
RNSA not occurring during winter in Utah. This is certainly not the case
in Washington County, as they are relatively common here during winter.] |
2nd round: |
7 Feb 2020 |
Acc |
Without any specific features that indicate
hybridization, I am still comfortable accepting this as a yellow-bellied
sapsucker. |
Bryan S. |
4 Feb 2020 |
Acc |
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2nd round: |
12 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
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Mark S. |
30 Dec 2019 |
Acc |
Juvenile plumage at this time of year should be
good for Yellow-bellied; markings on the back and head support
Yellow-bellied as well, and don't present any obvious signs of a hybrid |
2nd round: |
12 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
With due respect to the caution of my friend
Stephen Shunk, it's probably true that a hybrid could never be "ruled
out," but this individual shows no obvious signs of being a hybrid. I
don't think we should be ruling according to hypothetical possibilities. |
Larry T. |
25 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
Looks like a juv. YB. |
2nd round: |
24 Mar 2020 |
Acc |
I see no reason to not accept the record. |
David W. |
13 Jan 2020 |
Acc |
I think the date is late enough on this juvenile
bird to support the ID. I also appreciate the discussion under the Similar
Species section. I'll let others address the crown molt. |
2nd round: |
18 Feb 2020 |
Acc |
I still think the date is late enough to
be diagnostic for a juvenile. |
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