Records Committee
Utah Ornithological Society
   
Status & Comments
Year 2017 (records 51 through 77)


2017-51  Zone-tailed Hawk

Evaluator Date Vote Comment
Kathy B. 20 Nov 2017 Acc  

2nd round:  

16 Dec 2017 Acc Description is good enough to support ID especially since observer has experience with this species.
Kenny F. 20 Nov 2017 Acc Well-described and separated from Turkey Vulture.

2nd round:  

15 Dec 2017 Acc The tail bands doesn't seem to be an issue since Zone-tailed Hawks will show multiple tail bands. Look at Sibleys or another guide with good illustrations to see this.

Also Black-hawks fly with mostly flat wings (never a V that I can tell) and won't show two toned underwings.
Stephanie G. 11 Oct 2017 Acc Description seems to rule out other possibilities.

2nd round:  

27 Dec 2017 Acc Still seems like a plausible sighting to me
Dennis S. 31 Oct 2017 Acc Good enough comparison to Turkey Vulture for acceptance -tail banding, head color and shape.

2nd round:  

13 Dec 2017 Acc Minor concern with BLHA, but still enough field mark description for ZTHA.
Steve S. 16 Nov 2017 Acc My only concern is that the submitter states that the bird was "Large Vulture-sized" when it should appear noticably smaller. But without a side by side comparison this can be hard to judge. The rest of the report seems to make this the correct ID.

2nd round:  

15 Dec 2017 Acc Description is good for Zone-tailed Hawk.
Mark S. 18 Oct 2017 Acc Good description eliminates similar species.

2nd round:  

19 Dec 2017 Acc I think Common Black-Hawk can be safely eliminated by the reference to the bird's dihedral, that was noted as being even more pronounced than that of a Turkey Vulture's (COBH soars on flat wings). Also, what COBH would give a first impression as a TUVU, especially to a clearly experienced observer?

Three white tail bands, two sub-terminal and a terminal band, is common in ZTHA, but never the case in COBH.

As far as the location is concerned, I have personally seen ZTHA at Lytle Ranch, and e-Bird has 6 records for the site, 5 of which include photos, including this list by Tim Avery, that shows a ZTHA with 3 white tail bands: http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist/S30385388

So I don't think that the fact that COBH is resident in the wash precludes the fact that ZTHA has been documented to also occur there.
Larry T. 21 Nov 2017 Acc  

2nd round:  

14 Dec 2017 Acc The number of tail bands is off but everything else fits a Zone-tailed much better than a more likely Black Hawk. Since the observer seems to have Experience with the specie I'll stay with my vote.
David W. 4 Oct 2017 No, ID I was initially going to vote to accept, but I am disturbed by the description of three tail bands. What black hawk has that? Broad-winged hawk?? Does the observer mean three bands in black-white-black pattern (like a Common black hawk)?? Other field marks support the Zone-tailed, but this seems inconsistent. It gives me pause that the observer only dealt with a turkey vulture in the Similar Species portion rather than a Black hawk (which is resident there, as we all know). Unfortunately, there is no description of how narrow the wings were.

2nd round:  

6 Dec 2017 No, ID I still believe that the record doesn't eliminate the more commonly seen Common black hawk and is puzzling because of the number of reported tail bands.
Kevin W. 26 Nov 2017 No, ID While the bird observed could have been a Zone-tailed Hawk, I don't think the observer adequately eliminates the possibility of it being a Common Black Hawk, which would be more expected in the area and habitat.

2nd round:  

5 Jan 2017 Acc True enough, the "v-shaped soaring pattern" probably eliminates this being a Black Hawk.

 

2017-52  Black-throated Blue Warbler

Evaluator Date Vote Comment
Kathy B. 20 Nov 2017 Acc  
Kenny F. 20 Nov 2017 Acc Great shot of a beautiful male.
Stephanie G. 11 Oct 2017 Acc Photos clearly show Black-throated Blue Warbler
Dennis S. 9 Oct 2017 Acc Great photos.
Steve S. 16 Nov 2017 Acc  
Mark S. 18 Oct 2017 Acc No doubt on this one.
Larry T. 21 Nov 2017 Acc  
David W. 4 Oct 2017 Acc Photos and description make this clear.
Kevin W. 26 Oct 2017 Acc Photos clearly show distinctive male Black-throated Blue Warlber

 

2017-53  Tennessee Warbler

Evaluator Date Vote Comment
Kathy B. 20 Nov 2017 Acc  

2nd round:  

16 Dec 2017 Acc Even though optics were not used in this observation, I think the observer could see enough at 8 to 12 feet to effectively ID this bird. His description is of a Tennessee Warbler.
Kenny F. 20 Nov 2017 Acc Description matches Tennessee Warbler.

2nd round:  

15 Dec 2017 Acc Even the palest of Orange-crowned Warblers won't show white undertail coverts. No other warblers would fit the description given.
Stephanie G. 11 Oct 2017 No, ID Other species not effectively ruled out.

2nd round:  

27 Dec 2017 No, ID I still don't think the evidence on this one is strong enough to pass. No photos, no optics used.
Dennis S. 31 Oct 2017 Acc Adequate description for acceptance - similar to OCWA but white under tail coverts.

2nd round:  

13 Dec 2017 Acc Even with "odd" viewing procedures, described field marks are for TEWA.
Steve S. 16 Nov 2017 Acc  

2nd round:  

15 Dec 2017 Acc Description is good for Tennessee and rules out Orange-crowned with white under tail coverts.
Mark S. 18 Oct 2017 Acc This is a weak "accept," based upon the scant description and binocular-less views, that cause a bit of doubt.

However, the key field marks were noted, and the date is appropriate for this sighting.

2nd round:  

19 Dec 2017 Acc Holding my nose and covering my eyes . . ..
Larry T. 21 Nov 2017 No, ID 30 Seconds without Binns?

2nd round:  

14 Dec 2017 Acc I'm still not comfortable with this one. It will pass through but there is some doubt about it being a pale OC for me.
David W. 6 Oct 2017 Acc "Naked birding"?? This is a thing? Was there a jacuzzi involved? (I only ask because of the distortive effects of steam)

The description was a bit skimpy, unadorned with much detail, but the important bits were there. Despite my moral outrage at West Valley birding practices, I will vote to accept.

2nd round:  

6 Dec 2017 Acc 30 seconds is a long time for an observation at 8-12 feet. That's so close I would almost have to put on my reading glasses and try to swat it out of my face!
Kevin W. 26 Nov 2017 Acc Description fits Tennessee Warbler and eliminates Orange-crowned Warbler.

2nd round:  

5 Dec 2017 Acc No additional comments.

 

2017-54  Broad-billed Hummingbird

Evaluator Date Vote Comment
Kathy B. 20 Nov 2017 Acc  
Kenny F. 20 Nov 2017 Acc Good shots of a Broad-billed Hummingbird. Cool that there are 2 in the state.
Stephanie G. 11 Oct 2017 Acc Clear photos.
Dennis S. 9 Oct 2017 Acc Nice photos.
Steve S. 16 Nov 2017 Acc  
Mark S. 18 Oct 2017 Acc Odd to see one perched in a juniper.
Larry T. 21 Nov 2017 Acc  
David W. 6 Oct 2017 Acc You had me at Photo A. (Though I did greatly enjoy the effort to establish this was a hummingbird at all, especially the fact that it came to a hummingbird feeder). Wonderful to have two in the state at the same time.
Kevin W. 26 Nov 2017 Acc Photos clearly show distinct Broad-billed Hummingbird Male.

 

2017-55 Eastern Phoebe

Evaluator Date Vote Comment
Kathy B. 28 Nov 2017 Acc  

2nd round:  

16 Dec 2017 Acc Even though the tail wagging behavior is not diagnostic, the description fits an Eastern Phoebe. I also agree with Mark that the location and date are good for this species.
Kenny F. 20 Nov 2017 No, ID Record doesn't adequately rule out Gray Flycatcher which will dip its tail in a phoebe-like fashion.

2nd round:  

15 Dec 2017 No, ID The description would also seem to match Gray Flycatcher, especially the tail wagging. The observer didn't try to rule out Gray Flycatcher.
Stephanie G. 11 Oct 2017 Acc Description seems to fit for Eastern Phoebe, with distinctive tail-wagging.

2nd round:  

27 Dec 2017 No, ID I agree with the comments about not ruling out Gray Flycatcher
Dennis S. 2 Nov 2017 No, ID Not convincing enough report to eliminate other flycatchers.Description fits EAPH but not exclusively from others. Tail wagging also occurs commonly in other flycatchers also. Report needs to address other possibilities more thoroughly..

2nd round:  

18 Dec 2017 No, ID Questions arose by committee members on the last round about Say's Phoebe, Gray Flycatcher, and Black Phoebe,so how can we be convinced it was an Eastern Phoebe?
Steve S. 16 Nov 2017 Acc  

2nd round:  

15 Dec 2017 Acc Still think the description best fits Eastern Phoebe.
Mark S. 18 Oct 2017 Acc I have some reservations about this record, but will vote to accept. The location and date is good for this species.

However, the description is scant, and I'm not sure it adequately eliminates a young Say's Phoebe, that can exhibit similar tail-wagging behavior. But the observer seems familiar with Say's Phoebe, so likely can recognize the differences between these species.

2nd round:  

19 Dec 2017 Acc I still think that the combination of darker head, and tail-wagging, fits Eastern Phoebe best.
Larry T. 14 Dec 2017 Acc  

2nd round:  

21 Dec 2017 Acc I can see why there could be a problem with the description. As David's comments explain there is enough to eliminate other similar species.
David W. 6 Oct 2017 Acc I'm a bit hesitant because there was no mention of eyering deficit, but I'll grit my teeth and vote in the affirmative. Everything else sounded good for an Eastern phoebe.

2nd round:  

18 Dec 2017 Acc I am intrigued by some of the arguments against. It made me go back and reexamine the (unfortunately sparse) record. Here are some thoughts:
1) Gray flycatcher, to my mind, is eliminated by "two faint wingbars"and "darker head" (darker bill don't match too well either)
2) Black phoebe juveniles attain adult-like plumage very early on and look black not dark on the head (and flanks don't have a grayish tinge). This report implied a contrastingly darker head & tail, not uniformly black above.
3) Says phoebe juveniles are the hardest of the presented alternatives for me to eliminate. They can certainly have faint wing bars when very young. But the late date seems to eliminate the likelihood of a plumage with wing bars unless I am missing something (the Washington County folks would know better than I do). Also, if it had contrastingly darker head, it would have been farther along in its molt to the point where I would have thought the salmony belly would have been mentioned (especially if grayish tinge along sides of breast are noted).

I don't know, it just seems like you have to work pretty hard to to turn this into anything else than an Eastern phoebe, even with the lack of some desired evidence. Although I share in the discomfort of others, I still think there's enough here to vote to accept.
Kevin W. 26 Nov 2017 No, ID The reporter did not eliminate Black Phoebe as a possibility, which also wags it's tail. Young Black Phoebes would also have "faint" wing-bars, as described.

2nd round:  

5 Jan 2017 Acc D. Wheeler's comments make sense to me. It seems that other possibilities are ruled out, although the submitter didn't contribute much to convince me.

 

2017-56  Yellow-bellied Sapsucker

Evaluator Date Vote Comment
Kathy B. 16 Dec 2017 No, ID The progress of the molt on this bird appears to me to be too advanced for the date for a YBSA, but I'm certainly not an expert on this species, so I'd like to see what everyone else has to say.

2nd round:  

8 Jan 2017 No, ID As others have noted, this bird has characteristics which indicate Red-naped Sapsucker. These characteristics rule out Yellow-bellied Sapsucker.
Kenny F. 20 Nov 2017 Acc Photos look good for a pure Yellow-bellied Sapsucker.

2nd round:  

19 Dec 2017 No, ID Looking closer at this bird, it does appear to have some traits more consistent with a hybrid- mainly the back showing a strong pattern of two lines of barring.

Some Red-naped can still show juvenile plumage at this date which doesn't prove it is a Yellow-bellied unlike if it were still showing juvenile plumage in a month or two.
Stephanie G. 27 Nov 2017 Acc Ugh. The timing of the molt is really funky, but the bird looks fine for Yellow-bellied.

2nd round:  

27 Dec 2017 No, ID Upon closer inspection, I agree that the back stripes do seem to be too well-defined for a YBSA. I don't think we can effectively rule out RNSA.
Dennis S. 2 Nov 2017 No, ID Again the decision for this difficult separation of these two species (RNSA and YBSA) with overlapping characters almost comes down to a crap shoot. Does the bird in question have enough of a complete black border around its red throat patch, or is the bird still in the process of molting and clouding the issue. Does the back have enough distinct barring and not separated into two areas? Is the molting complete enough for the red nape area to distinctly show up? Also, my main concern rests once again with the early advancing of the juvenile molting to adult, which is characteristic of RNSA and not YBSA. Lastly, most (18 of 19) all RNSA records are later in the year and in extreme southern Utah.

2nd round:  

18 Dec 2017 No, ID No additional comments.
Steve S. 16 Nov 2017 No, ID With the more restricted white pattern on the face and what appear to be two vertical stripes of white spotting on the back this appears to be a Red-naped Sapsucker.

2nd round:  

17 Feb 2018 No, ID I still think this is a Red-naped Sapsucker
Mark S. 7 Nov 2017 No, ID I don't think immature plumage is diagnostic at this date, and see plenty to doubt that this is a Yellow-bellied. Most obvious is the back pattern, that looks strongly divided - a Red-naped characteristic. Also, the amount of red on the crown, and it's placement on the fore-crown, seems wrong for YBSA. I also get a hint of red coming in on the nape in photo A.

I believe that this bird is at least a hybrid, if not a pure RNSA, so I can't accept it as a YBSA..

2nd round:  

19 Dec 2017 No, ID As per my first round comments..
Larry T. 14 Dec 2017 No, ID I difficult time of year to separate Sapsuckers. This bird looks a little to much in Adult plumage for my taste in September..

2nd round:  

21 Dec 2017 No, ID As before.
David W. 22 Nov 2017 No, ID I am troubled by the back pattern, which appears more like a Red-naped to me. Also, the blackish border around the red throat in the malar area dos not appear to exclude juvenile Red-naped sapsuckers. Perhaps a hybrid?.

2nd round:  

18 Dec 2017 No, ID I stand by my first round comments.
Kevin W. 26 Nov 2017 Acc The photos and description show traits that I think show good Yellow-bellied id vs. Red-naped or Hybrid.

2nd round:  

5 Jan 2017 No, ID I concur with others that some traits, particularly the barring, may not be defined enough to rule out a hybrid (or maybe a Red-naped).

 

2017-57  Dusky-capped Flycatcher

Evaluator Date Vote Comment
Kathy B. 16 Dec 2017 Acc  

2nd round:  

8 Jan 2017 Acc I have no doubt that this is a Dusky-capped Flycatcher..
Kenny F. 20 Nov 2017 Acc Limited rufous on tail mostly on the edges, lack of contrasting wingbars, brighter yellow belly and more contrasting head favor Dusky-capped Flycatcher over Ash-throated or any other Myiarchus flycatcher.

2nd round:  

19 Dec 2017 Acc Great documentation for a state first...
Stephanie G. 27 Nov 2017 No, ID I think there are some good points here, but this record needs much scrutiny, so I'm voting no to push it through to the next round.

2nd round:  

30 Dec 2017 Acc Well, I've tried to look at this as a molting or juvenile Ash-throated, but I just can't. Those wing-bars are so dull, the bill so small. The rufous edging to the secondaries, the rusty uppertail coverts all lead to Dusky-capped...
Dennis S. 20 Nov 2017 Acc I'm tentatively voting to accept but am anxious to see what others have to say. The report is thorough and touches all the right buttons for DCFL but a ATFL is a close second. Of interest, there have been a number or recent first time records in Nevada(Las Vegas), Arizona(Flagstaff area) and along the Pacific coast. So maybe the "global warming" is causing a northern expansion.

2nd round:  

18 Dec 2017 Acc I still think everything fits for a Dusky-capped...
Steve S. 15 Dec 2017 No, ID This may very well be a Dusky-capped Flycatcher,but all the late Myiarchus flycatcher records I could find ended up being Ash-throated. Without a photo of the undertail or having heard or recorded any sound I don't think this bird can difinitively be called a Dusky-capped.

2nd round:  

17 Feb 2018 Acc This is an easy one to change my vote on as I was leaning to acceptance in the 1st round.
Mark S. 7 Nov 2017 Acc Excellent documentation.

Although this species is long overdue for Utah, and the date would favor Dusky-capped over other Myiarchus, I initially was skeptical before looking at the record, and the photos.

I see lots of these (photographed one just three days ago), along with many of the alternative species - Ash-throated, Nutting's, and Brown-crested (though not many Great Crested in recent years). Myiarchus identification is something that we get lots of practice with here, and Dusky-capped is the most common of all.

This is unequivocally a Dusky-capped Flycatcher. The bill shape alone is only appropriate for that species, and the overall structure of large head and slight body also eliminates other Myiarchus. As noted in the write-up, and comments from others, the rufous edgings on the upper tail are reduced, and restricted to the proximal end of the rectrices, that only fits DCFL. Also, the rusty edges on the primaries and (especially) extending well into the secondaries, eliminates Ash-throated and Brown-crested.

Although it would be nice to have a vocal confirmation for a first state record, I don't think it is at all necessary for this species, or with these photos.

I can say with utmost confidence that this is a Dusky-capped Flycatcher..

2nd round:  

19 Dec 2017 Acc It's still clearly a Dusky-capped Flycatcher..
Larry T. 14 Dec 2017 Acc Great pics that clearly show a Dusky-capped. Well documented. Very glad that the observer was able to get such nice photos otherwise this would have been a difficult one.

Great bird for Utah! One I've been looking for every fall for years.

2nd round:  

221 Dec 2017 Acc I can see everything I need from the photos to eliminate other Myiarchus Flycatchers.
David W. 8 Nov 2017 Acc I went into this review with skepticism, but the more I studied my field guides and internet, the more I became convinced this really is a Dusky-capped. The record is well written with amazing photos.

2nd round:  

17 Dec 2017 Acc I stand by my first round comments.
Kevin W. 26 Nov 2017 Acc This is a challenging ID, and I'm curious to see what others think. I had seen the photos prior to the record submission, and decided that they didn't show any definitive traits of Dusky Flycatcher (and I wondered about a Nutting's); but, based on identification information included from other authorities, I'd accept this record as a first for Utah.

2nd round:  

23 Jan 2018 Acc I still think this is good documentation for a state first.

 

2017-58  Red-necked Grebe

Evaluator Date Vote Comment
Kathy B. 16 Dec 2017 Acc  
Kenny F. 20 Nov 2017 Acc Photos look good for a Red-necked Grebe
Stephanie G. 27 Nov 2017 Acc  
Dennis S. 20 Nov 2017 Acc No question. Photo is clincher.
Steve S. 16 Nov 2017 Acc  
Mark S. 12 Nov 2017 Acc Good documentation.
Larry T. 14 Dec 2017 Acc  
David W. 12 Nov 2017 Acc Yep.
Kevin W. 26 Nov 2017 Acc Photos show Red-necked Grebe.

 

2017-59  Red-necked Grebe

Evaluator Date Vote Comment
Kathy B. 28 Nov 2017 Acc  
Kenny F. 20 Nov 2017 Acc Photos look good for a Red-necked Grebe
Stephanie G. 27 Nov 2017 Acc  
Dennis S. 20 Nov 2017 Acc Again no problems. Photos always help.
Steve S. 16 Nov 2017 Acc  
Mark S. 16 Nov 2017 Acc Photos show Red-necked Grebe. How close are these to being too common for the review list?
Larry T. 14 Dec 2017 Acc  
David W. 16 Nov 2017 Acc Nice photos and meticulous write-up.
Kevin W. 27 Dec 2017 Acc Good description, later photos show Red-necked Grebe.

 

2017-60  Brown-capped Rosy-Finch

Evaluator Date Vote Comment
Kathy B. 16 Dec 2017 Acc  
Kenny F. 20 Nov 2017 Acc The non-contrasting gray on the forehead looks good enough for a Brown-capped Rosy-finch.
Stephanie G. 27 Nov 2017 Acc  
Dennis S. 20 Nov 2017 Acc Good photos leave little question.
Steve S. 15 Dec 2017 Acc  
Mark S. 21 Nov 2017 Acc This is always a tough call, and one that I would almost want to vote against just to send it to the second round for discussion. But I honestly think that this looks good for Brown-capped Rosy-Finch. To me the head markings are perhaps inconclusive, but the overall tan coloration, cold, with no reddish cast, along with the extensive pink on the belly argue against an immature Gray-crowned.
Larry T. 14 Dec 2017 Acc  
David W. 22 Nov 2017 Acc This Brown-capped rosy-finch record is further down my comfort scale because it combines the head pattern with a distinct pink wash to the underparts. This eliminates juvenile plumage confusion and narrows the possibility of confusion with other species of rosy-finch more often found in our area. I wouldn't bet my life on it, but this record looks pretty good.
Kevin W. 27 Dec 2017 Acc Good description and photos. The comments from Michael Hilchey are useful.

 

2017-61  Eastern Phoebe

Evaluator Date Vote Comment
Kathy B. 16 Dec 2017 Acc  
Kenny F. 20 Nov 2017 Acc Photo looks good for Eastern Phoebe.
Stephanie G. 17 Dec 2017 Acc Seems to be a pretty clear record of Eastern Phoebe. The contrast seems to rule out Say's Phoebe.
Dennis S. 27 Dec 2017 Acc Report gives most of the connecting characters, addresses similar species and provides a good photo. Time frame for a migrant is compatible with other records.
Steve S. 15 Dec 2017 Acc  
Mark S. 21 Nov 2017 Acc Looks like an Eastern Phoebe.
Larry T. 14 Dec 2017 Acc  
David W. 20 Nov 2017 Acc Looks good.
Kevin W. 27 Dec 2017 Acc Photos clearly show Eastern Phoebe.

 

2017-62  Yellow-bellied Sapsucker

Evaluator Date Vote Comment
Kathy B. 16 Dec 2017 Acc  
Kenny F. 20 Nov 2017 Acc Juvenile plumage this late in the season as well as the white on the forehead look good for Yellow-bellied Sapsucker.
Stephanie G. 17 Dec 2017 Acc Clearly documented, molt timing seems right, thick messy banding on back.
Dennis S. 27 Dec 2017 Acc As was pointed out in the report one of the juveniles photographed has a much less prominent (dusky) eye stripe than the other. This is consistent with a YBSA as is the late retention of the juvenile plumage in both birds.
Steve S. 15 Dec 2017 Acc  
Mark S. 21 Nov 2017 Acc Such strong juvenile plumage in November is unlikely to be Red-naped. The back markings in the one photo where they are visible are also more Yellow-bellied type, and not divided into two parts like Red-naped.
Larry T. 14 Dec 2017 Acc  
David W. 20 Nov 2017 Acc Very juvie, very late, very cool.
Kevin W. 23 Jan 2018 Acc Traits seem good for Yellow-bellied Sapsucker, particularly the messy mottling on the back.

 

2017-63  Common Redpoll

Evaluator Date Vote Comment
Kathy B. 16 Dec 2017 Acc  
Kenny F. 15 Dec 2017 Acc Nice shot of a Common Redpoll.
Stephanie G. 17 Dec 2017 Acc Clear photo eliminates other species
Dennis S. 27 Nov 2017 Acc No problems.
Steve S. 15 Dec 2017 Acc  
Mark S. 17 Dec 2017 Acc Should we consider removing this species from the review list?
Larry T. 14 Dec 2017 Acc  
David W. 21 Nov 2017 Acc Sounds like an eruption year for this species.
Kevin W. 23 Jan 2018 Acc Photos show distinctive Common Redpoll.

 

2017-64  Brown-capped Rosy-Finch

Evaluator Date Vote Comment
Kathy B. 16 Dec 2017 Acc  

2nd round:  

20 Feb 2018 Acc I still accept this as a Brown-capped Rosy-finch due to the sooty gray crown markings.

3rd round:  

10 Feb 2018 Acc My vote is unchanged with no further comments.
Kenny F. 15 Dec 2017 Acc Paler gray-brown plumage and nonconstrasting gray on the head look good for a BCRF.

2nd round:  

17 Feb 2018 Acc I'm not sure where others are looking, but I am having trouble finding any pictures of immature Gray-crowned Rosy-finch that show this body coloration.

Also I don't know if others in the committee missed the note from the ebird checklist, but it says "Photos sent to Rosy-Finch Banders in New Mexico and confirmed as a Brown-capped."

I don't know how anyone here could disagree with people who band hundreds of all three species of Rosy-finch. I don't have much experience with this species so I will trust that the experts made the correct identification on the great photographs of this bird since they know much more than I do.

3rd round:  

26 Feb 2018 Acc The gray on the bird doesn't strongly contrast on the head and the body is a lighter brown color than what Gray-crowned with show.

Additionally prebasic molt in juvenile Gray-crowned Rosy-finches takes place from July- Sept. After this they will have the same head pattern as adult birds would and the gray on the head would be contrasting like found in adults. The birds here don't show that contrasting gray crown.

Also who am I to disagree with the experts who band hundreds of rosy-finches each winter of all 3 species in NM.
Stephanie G. 17 Dec 2017 Acc Seems to be good for Brown-capped. Brownish cap and overall dull bird.

2nd round:  

18 Feb 2018 Acc Continuing to accept record.

3rd round:  

9 May 2018 Acc Continuing to accept based on drab appearance
Mike H.  3rd. 27 Apr 2018 No, ID I m 50/50 on this bird. Each time I go back to it I talk myself out of my previous decision. I feel it s best to side with caution
Dennis S. 27 Nov 2017 Acc A real drab bird. How do other 1st year Rosy-Finches compare?

2nd round:  

27 Dec 2017 No, ID I'm glad to see others have concerns when separating 1st year Rosy-Finch, and even though I voted for acceptance in the first round I was right on the edge. I not convinced it isn't a GCRF. I'm not sure we would accept this record as a BCRF if we hadn't ever recorded it in the area before or for sure in the State.

3rd round:  

14 Mar 2018 No, ID I'm sticking with my 2cd round decision. This drab bird shows too  much questionable immature characters too safely go one way or the other.
Steve S. 15 Dec 2017 Acc  

2nd round:  

17 Feb 2018 Acc Even with this tough ID in immature birds I think this bird falls on the side of Brown-capped

3rd round:  

19 Apr 2018 Acc Even with the tough ID I still think this bird falls on the Brown-capped side.
Mark S. 17 Dec 2017 Acc This can be a tough i.d. in immature birds, so I have reservations about this record, but pale overall color, and lack of any blackish feathers in the fore-crown support Brown-capped Rosy-Finch.

2nd round:  

24 Feb 2018 No, ID I was torn on the vote in the first round, and am swayed by the doubts others have expressed. Best to err on the side of caution. I can't say with confidence that immature Gray-crowned Rosy-Finch can be eliminated.

3rd round:  

12 Mar 2018 No, ID Still have my doubts on this one, and will err on the side of caution.
Larry T. 14 Dec 2017 Acc  

2nd round:  

20 Feb 2018 Acc Everyone seems to agree about the difficulty of separating HY females. I don't see anything wrong with it not being a Brown-capped. If the experts aren't having a problem with the ID I'll accept it.

3rd round:  

17 May 2018 No, ID If experts are calling the bird a Brown it was good enough for me. I wouldn't feel comfortable calling it that myself. So I'm changing my vote on this birds after hearing all the concerns about it from others.
David W. 22 Nov 2017 No, ID I am inclined to believe this may well be a Brown-capped rosy-finch. However, a hatch year female is a very difficult ID in rosy-finches. There are many rosy-finch photos on the internet of immature female Gray-crowned and (to a lesser degree) Black rosy-finches which show drab heads with vague gray streaks and a frosty/buffy wash to the body. It is a difficult ID unless combined with the pink of the adult.

I am interested to see what people say, and am eager to revisit this in the second round (though my term is likely to expire prior to getting a second chance to vote on this record).

2nd round:  

27 Dec 2017 No, ID I will stick with my NO vote because I think this particular individual is not safely separable from a hatch-year female Gray-crowned rosy-finch. The lack of strong pink coloration suggests an immature.
Kevin W. 16 Dec 2017 Acc I'm tentative about this ID, as I can't find much info that separates immature Brown-caps from Gray-crowns, but the photos of this bird I think lean toward Brown-capped, based on the amount of brown (and lack of gray) in the crown.

2nd round:  

23 Jan 2018 No, ID As others have also indicated, this is a tough identification, and I have had a hard time finding anything that would differentiate this from a young Gray-crowned.

3rd round:  

4 Apr 2018 No, ID Sticking with my round 2 decision.

 

2017-65  Philadelphia Vireo

Evaluator Date Vote Comment
Kathy B. 16 Dec 2017 Acc It's not clear if the late evening lighting is causing the yellow to seem more prominent in the photos. However, the bird does appear to have a dark cap and dark line through the eye. I wish the description given had more detail about what was observed, but with it being 10 years ago...

2nd round:  

14 Mar 2018 No, ID I agree that this is most likely a Warbling Vireo which appears more yellow in the late evening light.
Kenny F. 15 Dec 2017 No, ID The lores don't seem dark or broad enough and the brightest yellow on the bird should be on the center of the throat, not the flanks.

2nd round:  

17 Feb 2018 No, ID No additional comments.
Stephanie G. 17 Dec 2017 No, ID Appears to be a Warbling Vireo in low warm light, making it appear to be more yellow than it really is. The lores are too pale for Philadelphia.

2nd round:  

18 Feb 2018 No, ID Bright yellow coloration appears to be the result of low/warm lighting. Lores too pale for Philadelphia.
Mike H.  2nd. 16 Feb 2018 No, ID Same reasons as listed by predecessor. [David W.]
Dennis S. 27 Dec 2017 No, ID Not sure it isn't a warbling vireo. Bill appears too long and stout, loreal stripe not pronounced enough, and crown not distinctly set apart as dark enough. However, extent of yellowish underparts does favor a PHVI.

2nd round:  

29 Jan 2018 No, ID No additional comments. Still not convinced it isn't a Warbling Vireo.
Steve S. 15 Dec 2017 Acc With the dark lores and what appears to be a yellow throat I will tentatively accept this record although I really don't like the what else can it be theory.

2nd round:  

17 Feb 2018 No, ID I'll agree that this bird is probably a bright Warbling Vireo.
Mark S. 17 Dec 2017 No, ID Looks like a bright Warbling Vireo to me. Specifically, the structure is wrong for PHVI, and the eye line too faint in front of the eye. Overall coloration consistent with fresh-plumage WAVI of eastern or Pacific NW subspecies.

2nd round:  

27 Feb 2018 No, ID As per my first round comments.
Larry T. 14 Dec 2017 No, ID This bird looks like a Warbling to me. It's a little difficult to see the yellow in the pics but it doesn't look like it's in the throat and upper breast like a Philly but more in the belly and undertail like a Warbling Vireo..

2nd round:  

20 Feb 2018 No, ID Same as before.
David W. 12 Dec 2017 No, ID I think the yellow undersides on this bird fall within the range of the highly-variable Warbling vireo, as does the dark cap. The lack of dark eyeline and long bill are also consistent with a Warbling vireo.
Kevin W. 23 Jan 2018 No, ID White throat and light lores seem more indicative of Warbling Vireo.

2nd round:  

7 Mar 2018 No, ID I still think this is more likely a Warbling Vireo.

 

2017-66  Brown-capped Rosy-Finch

Evaluator Date Vote Comment
Kathy B. 16 Dec 2017 Acc  

2nd round:  

24 Mar 2018 Acc Photos do show Brown-capped.
Kenny F. 15 Dec 2017 Acc Paler gray-brown plumage and nonconstrasting gray on the head look good for a BCRF.

2nd round:  

17 Feb 2018 Acc Birds still look good for BCRF. It's only in some cases that immature Brown-capped can't be distinguished from Gray-crowned and in birds like this they look fine for BCRF.
Stephanie G. 29 Jan 2017 Acc  

2nd round:  

18 Feb 2018 Acc Kind of a convoluted record because we have several different sightings all lumped in to one. But there appears to be at least one Brown-capped Rosy Finch in the record so I suppose I'll accept.

Mike H.
     2nd round:

8 Apr 2018 Acc Kind of a convoluted record because we have several different sightings all lumped in to one. But there appears to be at least one Brown-capped Rosy Finch in the record so I suppose I'll accept.
Dennis S. 13 Dec 2017 Acc Nice comparative photos. Written report lacks a lot of detail though. But enough!

2nd round:  

3 Feb 2018 Acc Additional photos of flocked birds show BCRO's and since same area and flocks, this should substantiate first records submitted.
Steve S. 15 Dec 2017 Acc  

2nd round:  

17 Feb 2018 Acc To me the photos show that there are at least some Brown-capped in the mix.
Mark S. 17 Dec 2017 No, ID I'd like to see some discussion on this record. The lack of rosy underparts indicates another immature bird. Also, I believe the photos are not all of the same bird. In at least some of the photos, a blackish fore-crown and grayish above and behind the eye suggest Gray-crowned. Photo "A" seems like the best candidate for Brown-capped.

2nd round:  

12 Mar 2018 Acc At least a couple of the photos that have been submitted since I reviewed this record in December are of adult Brown-capped Rosy-Finch, so I'll vote to accept this record, even though most of the photos can't be definitively identified as such.
Larry T. 14 Dec 2017 Acc  

2nd round:  

20 Feb 2018 Acc I don't have a problem calling some of these birds Brown-capped. The Jan. Kunz ebird pics.
David W. 17 Dec 2017 No, ID Again, the lack of pink in these individuals suggest immature birds. My reasoning for voting NO on these birds is the same as for Record 2017-64. I do not believe one can safely eliminate immature female Gray-crowned rosy-finches from these photos. It is my opinion that, of the three recent records submitted for this species, only 2017-60 is definitively that species because it combines distinct pink coloration (indicating an adult) with the other fieldmarks. As for the other two records, sometimes, as with empids, one just has to admit that one isn't 100% certain.
Kevin W. 27 Dec 2017 Acc Good description and photos. I don't know if the documenting photos indicate that there were 30 Brown-capped in the mixed flock with Blacks and Gray-Crowns, but I think some of them are Brown Caps.

2nd round:  

6 Apr 2018 Acc No additional comments.

 

2017-67  Common Redpoll

Evaluator Date Vote Comment
Kathy B. 16 Dec 2017 Acc  
Kenny F. 15 Dec 2017 Acc Nice shots of a Common Redpoll.
Stephanie G. 17 Dec 2017 Acc Clear photos show Common Redpoll
Dennis S. 13 Dec 2017 Acc Not much question, easy decision. Many observers and photos.
Steve S. 15 Dec 2017 Acc  
Mark S. 17 Dec 2017 Acc  
Larry T. 14 Dec 2017 Acc  
David W. 3 Dec 2017 Acc Lovely photos. This one is quite a way down toward the Hoary end of the redpoll spectrum. The ID has been made a lot simpler by the lumpers.
Kevin W. 23 Jan 2018 Acc Photos show distinctive Common Redpoll.

 

2017-68  Rusty Blackbird

Evaluator Date Vote Comment
Kathy B. 16 Dec 2017 Acc  

2nd round:  

14 Mar 2018 Acc The photos clearly show a Rusty Blackbird.
Kenny F. 15 Dec 2017 Acc Brownish tinged upperparts look good for a Rusty.

2nd round:  

17 Feb 2018 Acc No additional comments.
Stephanie G. 17 Dec 2017 Acc Slightly curved bill and facial markings good for Rusty.

2nd round:  

18 Feb 2018 Acc Other species effectively ruled out.
Mike H.  2nd. 16 Feb 2018 Acc Prior to being a voting member of the UBRC I spoke publicly on my thoughts of this individual. Here is one of those: ‘In the photo that has been lightened (B1) I believe you can see the pale tipped undertail coverts....’ Combined with other characteristics, I feel this is definitely a RUBL.
Dennis S. 27 Dec 2017 No, ID I'm at a loss for this strange looking bird. Maybe its just the photos, but for the life of me I can't come to the conclusion that this is a Rusty BB. But I'm not sure what else it could be though. The light colored "hooded" appearance with a totally black breast, belly and upper parts is not a typical of a non-breeding fall/winter bird. Is it still molting? Where are the characteristic brownish/rusty colored wing tertials and overall body color? Additionally, to me the head shape and stout bill are not quite right and look more like a typical grackle rather then a BB.

2nd round:  

29 Jan 2018 Acc OK, I renege! What else could it be!
Steve S. 15 Dec 2017 Acc  

2nd round:  

17 Feb 2018 Acc Photos show a Rusty Blackbird.
Mark S. 19 Dec 2017 Acc Structure, coloration, and behavior all support this identification.

2nd round:  

12 Mar 2018 Acc  
Larry T. 14 Dec 2017 Acc  

2nd round:  

20 Feb 2018 Acc  
David W. 6 Dec 2017 Acc I accept this on the basis of the photos, which eliminate Brewer's & Red-winged blackbirds & Great-tailed grackles.
Kevin W. 23 Jan 2018 Acc Photos show good traits for Rusty Blackbird, particularly the short decurved bill, pale eyes and eyebrow. I'd like to see rufous tertials, but I think the other traits point to Rusty Blackbird.

2nd round:  

7 Mar 2018 Acc No additional comments

 

2017-69  Dickcissel

Evaluator Date Vote Comment
Kathy B. 3 Feb 2018 Acc  
Kenny F. 19 Dec 2017 Acc Nice documentation for this rarity. Let's hope it sticks around for a bit.
Stephanie G. 31 Jan 2018 Acc  
Dennis S. 19 Dec 2017 Acc Simply written report but photo leaves little doubt.
Steve S. 17 Feb 2018 Acc  
Mark S. 19 Dec 2017 Acc Unmistakable.
Larry T. 21 Dec 2017 Acc Nice pics. Good winter bird in Utah.
David W. 19 Dec 2017 Acc Photos literally say it all.
Kevin W. 23 Jan 2018 Acc Photos show distinct characteristics of Dickcissel.

 

2017-70  Red-breasted Sapsucker

Evaluator Date Vote Comment
Kathy B. 19 Feb 2018 Acc  

2nd round:  

10 Apr 2018 No, ID I'm changing my vote. Hybridization cannot be ruled out.
Kenny F. 19 Dec 2017 No, ID Looks to have too much black in the face and better for a hybrid with Red-naped..
Stephanie G. 19 Dec 2017 No, ID Sheesh I'm on the fence about this one.

I just don't think we can rule out hybridization here. It's undoubtedly got Red-breasted heritage, and it may indeed be mostly Red-breasted, but it seems like there is a little bit of Red-naped in there.

There is black on the nape as well as on the breast, but as the article mentions, that can be ok for worn dagetti.

However, the thing that makes me question it is the white malar stripe just doesn't seem to have enough red "bleed" through it, even for a dagetti. It just doesn't seem to have quite enough red in there. Compare with this Red-breasted the UBRC accepted in 2015: https://flic.kr/p/qrzdYp

Additionally the red on the nape doesn't seem to be quite extensive enough for a "pure" Red-breasted.

I will be interested to see what others say.

2nd round:  

27 Feb 2018 No, ID  
Mike H.
     2nd round: 
8 Apr 2018 No, ID Hybridization seems to be likely.
Dennis S. 19 Dec 2017 Acc Detailed hybridization examination of this woodpecker complex helps to lend credibility to this observation. But still always a consideration and leaves shadows of doubt.

2nd round:  

14 Mar 2018 No, ID The shades of doubt have darkened, after reading other first round comments. A hybrid it looks to be.
Steve S. 17 Feb 2018 No, ID I think this is not a pure bird as I see what seems to be black coloring on the sides of the throat and on to the upper breast.

2nd round:  

19 Apr 2018 No, ID Still looks like a hybrid to me.
Mark S. 19 Dec 2017 No, ID It looks to me like there are signs of a hybrid here, with vestiges of a continuing white post-ocular stripe, extensive black in the head, and black in the chest.

2nd round:  

13 Mar 2018 No, ID As per my first-round comment.
Larry T. 21 Dec 2017 Acc I'll accept it even though I'd like to see a better pic of the breast.

2nd round:  

20 Feb 2018 No, ID I'll change my vote on this one. Other comments have made it clear that there is plenty of doubt in this record.
David W. 21 Dec 2017 No, ID I think this bird displays many characteristics of a hybrid, including distinct black on the hindcrown & breast, extensive white moustachial stripe, clear black & white neck pattern on the hind neck/nape connecting to eyebrow stripe.

I have often lamented the blurry boundaries between the taxons ("species") within the sapsucker complex (superspecies) on past records, and it has often been documented that there is much gene flow between the various forms. I do not know what constitutes a "pure" Red-breasted sapsucker individual, but this individual just seems to be too intermediate. It is doubtful that feather wearing can explain this much Red-naped sapsucker patterning on a non-hybrid, especially since both juveniles and adults of the species molt between June and October, and should therefore not have worn plumage in mid December.
Kevin W. 23 Jan 2018 No, ID Great documentation for this bird, but I think photos show a couple traits that, as indicated in the Sapsucker Identification article referenced, would indicate hybridization with Red-naped Sapsucker. This bird shows dark feathers showing through on the back of the head, as well as a continuation of the white malar extending through the red.

2nd round:  

5 Apr 2018 No, ID I still believe this is likely a hybrid.

 

2017-71  Red-throated Loon

Evaluator Date Vote Comment
Kathy B. 19 Feb 2018 Acc  
Kenny F. 19 Dec 2017 Acc Good description for this species.
Stephanie G. 19 Dec 2017 Acc I wish there were photos but the description seemed to rule out other species.
Dennis S. 19 Dec 2017 Acc Adequate.
Steve S. 17 Feb 2018 Acc  
Mark S. 19 Dec 2017 Acc Good description from an experienced observer.
Larry T. 21 Dec 2017 Acc  
David W. 19 Dec 2017 Acc Interesting choice of field marks to make the point.
Kevin W. 23 Jan 2018 Acc Description seems good for a juvenile Red-throated Loon, specifically documenting the streaky neck, white cheek without streaks, scalloped back, and tilted head.

 

2017-72  McCown's Longspur

Evaluator Date Vote Comment
Kathy B. 19 Feb 2018 Acc  
Kenny F. 19 Dec 2017 Acc Looks good for a McCown's Longspur.
(2017-72a - 17 Feb 2018):
Photos look good for McCown's. I think this and 72b should just be combined with 72 since I think all these birds are just from the same flock.
(2017-72b - 17 Feb 2018): Looks good for a McCown's. This record should get combined with the other 2.
Stephanie G. 19 Dec 2017 Acc Photos show black breast crescent that seems to rule out other species.
Dennis S. 21 Dec 2017 Acc Adequate.
Steve S. 17 Feb 2018 Acc  
Mark S. 19 Dec 2017 Acc The photos are marginal at best, but are consistent with McCown's Longspur, and thus support the detailed description.
(2017-72a - 17 Feb 2018): 
Good documentation.
(2017-72b - 25 Feb 2018):  Photos are diagnostic.
Larry T. 21 Dec 2017 Acc  
David W. 21 Dec 2017 Acc I think the bill shape is compelling.
(2017-72a - 25 Dec 2017)  May be the same bird as 2017-72 or not. It's hard to tell how much black is on its breast in the stubble.
(2017-72b - 27 Dec 2017): Impressive photos for a species hard to get close to. Although my name appears associated with this record, I came several hours later in the afternoon and only saw two or three McCowns (it was cold, I'd already spent hours hiking nearby, and I just got lazy observing the ever-mixing flocks).
Kevin W. 24 Jan 2018 Acc The big black crescent eliminates other species.
(2017-72a - 25 Dec 2017) Thick pink bill,light auriculars and brow, and rufous median coverts point to this being McCown's.
(2017-72b - 24 Jan 2018): The black crescent on the back individual of photo A, as well as the pink bill, light auriculars and brow, and rufous median coverts of the front individual point to these being McCown's Longspurs.

 

2017-73  Common Redpoll

Evaluator Date Vote Comment
Kathy B. 19 Feb 2018 Acc  
Kenny F. 19 Dec 2017 Acc Clearly a redpoll. Should this species be on the review list?
Stephanie G. 19 Dec 2017 Acc Clear photo/ID
Dennis S. 21 Dec 2017 Acc Unquestionable photo.
Steve S. 17 Feb 2018 Acc  
Mark S. 19 Dec 2017 Acc  
Larry T. 21 Dec 2017 Acc  
David W. 21 Dec 2017 Acc Photo looks good for this species.
Kevin W. 24 Jan 2018 Acc Photos clearly show distinctive Common Redpoll.

 

2017-74  Common Redpoll

Evaluator Date Vote Comment
Kathy B. 19 Feb 2018 Acc  
Kenny F. 17 Feb 2018 Acc Description matches CORE.
Stephanie G. 6 Jan 2018 Acc  
Dennis S. 27 Dec 2017 Acc  
Steve S. 17 Feb 2018 Acc  
Mark S. 25 Feb 2018 Acc Red forehead and black throat distinctive. Hoary Redpoll not eliminated, but unlikely.
Larry T. 20 Feb 2018 Acc  
David W. 25 Dec 2017 Acc Another invasion year.
Kevin W. 24 Jan 2018 Acc Description fits Common Redpoll well.

 

2017-75  Common Redpoll

Evaluator Date Vote Comment
Kathy B. 19 Feb 2018 Acc  
Kenny F. 17 Feb 2018 Acc Description matches Common Redpoll.
Stephanie G. 6 Jan 2018 Acc  
Dennis S. 27 Dec 2017 Acc  
Steve S. 17 Feb 2018 Acc  
Mark S. 25 Feb 2018 Acc Good description.
Larry T. 20 Feb 2018 Acc  
David W. 27 Dec 2017 Acc Good write-up.
Kevin W. 24 Jan 2018 Acc Description fits Common Redpoll

 

2017-76  Northern Parula

Evaluator Date Vote Comment
Kathy B. 20 Feb 2018 Acc  
Kenny F. 17 Feb 2018 Acc Great documentation of this species.
Stephanie G. 6 Jan 2018 Acc Seems pretty straightforward
Dennis S. 8 Jan 2018 Acc Under tail pattern matches a Parula and I seriously doubt it's a Tropical. Good written description also.
Steve S. 17 Feb 2018 Acc  
Mark S. 27 Feb 2018 Acc Remarkable date; good documentation.
Larry T. 20 Feb 2018 Acc  
David W. 30 Dec 2017 Acc Good description.
Kevin W. 24 Jan 2018 Acc Photos clearly show field marks for Northern Parula.

 

2017-77  Philadelphia Vireo

Evaluator Date Vote Comment
Kathy B. 20 Feb 2018 No, ID This bird appears to be a Warbling Vireo. The coloring on the underparts don't seem to be particularly yellow, and the dark eyeline is separated from the bill.

2nd round:  

10 Apr 2018 No, ID No further comments.
Kenny F. 17 Feb 2018 No, ID Lores aren't dark enough and the bird looks most yellow in the flanks, not the throat.

2nd round:  

17 Mar 2018 No, ID No additional comments.
Stephanie G. 6 Jan 2018 No, ID Lores do not appear to be dark enough for Philadelphia. Warbling Vireo no effectively ruled out.

2nd round:  

8 Apr 2018 No, ID Bright Warbling Vireo cannot be eliminated. Lores aren't dark enough to be Philadelphia. .
Mike H.. 9 Jan 2018 Acc I m going to look past the coloration of the underside of this individual as the reflection of lighting off the green leaves is misleading. I do like what appears to be a smaller billed, shorter tailed, chunkier bird than I would expect with WAVI. Photos C, D, and F all show the narrowing of the supercillium behind the eye. Photos C and D shows what appears to be the post ocular stripe as well. .

2nd round:  

26 Feb 2018 No, ID I really thought this one would be much tighter of a vote than it was. Although I still feel PHVI is a potential ID here, I also feel that WAVI can t be ruled out. If I would ve taken coloration of the bird into account, I would have voted no in the first, but after reading other s opinions on this individual (Combined with my not strong initial opinion) I have no problem in saying there isn t enough there to call this a PHVI.
Dennis S. 8 Jan 2018 No, ID This is a close call, but I'm concerned with the photos showing a more stout and longish bill than is characteristic of a PHVI. A bright WAVI is not out of the question.

2nd round:  

14 Mar 2018 No, ID Still same concerns as first round. No change in thoughts.
Steve S. 17 Feb 2018 No, ID This looks like another bright Warbling Vireo.By submitters admission bird wasn't bright yellow on throat as it should be to be a Philadelphia.

2nd round:  

19 Mar 2018 No, ID No further comments, still looks like a Warbling Vireo to me.
Mark S. 27 Feb 2018 No, ID I'd like to have some discussion on this record. I'm not sure that a bright Warbling Vireo can be ruled out.

2nd round:  

13 Mar 2018 No, ID Looks like the consensus is WAVI for this bird.
Larry T. 20 Feb 2018 No, ID From the description and photos it sounds and looks like a Warbling Vireo.
Kevin W. 24 Jan 2018 No, ID Photos don't show a lot of detail, but this bird appears to have pale lores and longish bill, leading to identification as a Warbling Vireo. The throat looks yellow in some pics, but I think that's a factor of lighting.

2nd round:  

6 Apr 2018 No, ID I still believe this birds is more likely a Warbling Vireo.