2013-40 Flamingo
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Kathy B. |
8 Jun 2013 |
No, ID |
This record provided no species identification. |
2nd round: |
10 Aug 2013 |
No, Nat |
I would accept this
record as a flamingo species, except I question their natural occurrence. |
Bob B. |
23 May 2013 |
No, Nat |
I do not question the correct Identification of these birds. The
likelihood that these are naturally occurring seems remote. If only there
was a simple way of chasing down a possible source of missing captive
birds. |
2nd round: |
10 Aug 2013 |
No, Nat |
As I mentiioned, I
don't believe we need to know the specific species of Flamingo to reject
this record as it is most certainly represents birds that did not arrive
here by natural means. |
Rick F. |
11 Jun 2013 |
No, Nat |
Interesting record |
2nd round: |
15 Aug 2013 |
No, Nat |
|
Ryan O. |
21 May 2013 |
No, ID |
Our bylaws do not allow voting on any taxon other than species. Therefore,
since a species was not proposed for voting, all votes should be "Reject,
specific (i.e. species-level) identification not established." This is why
I submitted a proposal to allow voting on records like this. I am
convinced the observer saw two flamingos, but our bylaws explicitly
prohibit voting to accept any record that is not identified to the species
level, and "flamingo" includes six species in the family Phoenicopteridae. |
2nd round: |
13 Aug 2013 |
No, Nat |
I do believe that the observer saw two flamingoes. If we
could be convinced they were American Flamingoes, then I'd be wrestling
much more with the possibility of natural origin of these birds. However,
with recent records of Chilean Flamingo (http://www.utahbirds.org/featarts/2004/UtahsPinkFloyd.htm)
and Lesser Flamingo (photographed within 70 miles of this observation and
about two months later: http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist?subID=S14779398),
both either known to not be or VERY unlikely to be natural vagrants from
established populations, I think the most likely source for these
individuals was that they were escapees. In fact, I wonder if the Lesser
Flamingo photographed later (link above) might be one of the two
individuals reported here, except that the observer described the bill as
black tipped, not black. I contacted the ISIS database of zoo collections
and they report 17 institutions in North America that currently keep a
total of 391 Lesser Flamingoes in captivity. I have not attempted to
contact these institutions to see if any are missing a bird. Regardless, I
appreciate having this record in our archives, accepted or not. |
Terry S.. |
5 Jun 2013 |
No, Int |
Most probably a
flamingo but with no species indicated it difficult to evaluate if this is
a possible valid sighting of a wayward bird. We have had a flamingo
sighting in Utah about 20 years ago but was an escaped Chilean Flamingo
that escaped from Tracy Aviary in Salt Lake City. The bird would appear on
the shore of Great Salt Lake every winter for several years. |
Jack S.. |
13 Jun 2013 |
No, ID |
The species ID for
this record was not established and the possibility of it being an escaped
bird was not excluded. |
Mark S. |
12 Jun 2013 |
No, Nat |
Species not established, and this would be a critical factor for even
beginning to consider the natural occurrence of this individual, unlikely
as it would be for any flamingo sp., it would be prohibitively unlikely
for anything other than American Flamingo. |
2nd round: |
30 Aug 2013 |
No, Nat |
|
David W. |
|
Acc/No, ID |
I am voting to accept this as a flamingo (species unknown), in case that
the vote on how to deal with species groups comes out to affirm that
possibility. If the Committee's vote determines that records need to be
for a particular species, then I vote NO, ID. |
2nd round: |
29 Aug 2013 |
No, Nat |
OK, I am swayed by the sound logic of many of you. The natural occurrence
of the species has not been established. Without knowing the species, we
cannot assign proper probabilities as to the natural occurrence of the
species. I like Mark's logic on this. |
2013-41 Least Tern
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Kathy B. |
8 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
|
Bob B. |
23 May 2013 |
Acc |
|
Rick F. |
11 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
Nice diagnostic
photos |
Ryan O. |
21 May 2013 |
Acc |
Certainly the most likely identification for this individual, but Little
Terns and Saunder's Terns are quite similar and can be difficult to
exclude except by range. Vocalizations are distinct, but no vocalizations
of this bird were heard. Least Terns are slightly smaller than Little
Terns, but description of size as "smaller than other terns" doesn't help
in this regard. Although the written description does not attempt to
eliminate these two very similar species, the photos are conclusive: the
rump appears gray in photo D, not contrasting with lower back, consistent
with Least Tern and ruling out Little Tern. Saunder's Tern can be excluded
by the shape of the white patch on the forehead, projecting back into the
black in a point, rather than a squared-off patch of white. |
Terry S.. |
12 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
|
Jack S.. |
13 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
Good Photographs! |
Mark S. |
12 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
Adequate description and photos. |
David W. |
20 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
The ID is not in question. But is this the same individual as in Lehi? I
cannot be certain, but this individual does appear to be different than
the one seen in Lehi. Perhaps it is just the way it is holding its tail in
the photos, but the the tail seems longer in this bird |
2013-42 Glossy Ibis
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Kathy B. |
6 Jul 2013 |
Acc |
|
Bob B. |
23 May 2013 |
Acc |
I would like to have had a description of the legs and a little more
detailed description of the bill. I don't believe one can completely rule
out a juvenile White-faced, but it might be too early. I suspect this was
a Glossy so I am voting yes. |
Rick F. |
11 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
|
Ryan O. |
21 May 2013 |
Acc |
I'd still prefer a more explicit elimination of potential hybrids, but
description seems entirely consistent with pure Glossy Ibis in breeding
plumage. |
Terry S.. |
12 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
|
Jack S.. |
13 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
12 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
I'm not sure that a possible hybrid was adequately considered, but nothing
in the description suggests a hybrid. |
David W. |
26 May 2013 |
Acc |
|
2013-43 White Ibis
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Kathy B. |
6 Jul 2013 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
10 Aug 2013 |
Acc |
|
Bob B. |
23 May 2013 |
Acc |
This description pretty much rules out anything else. |
2nd round: |
2 Aug 2013 |
Acc |
|
Rick F. |
11 Jun 2013 |
No, ID |
Although the
description is brief it describes a White Ibis pretty well. I'm concerned
that two naturally occurring vagrant White Ibis would be unprecedented.... |
2nd round: |
15 Aug 2013 |
No, ID |
Without photographic
confirmation, I cannot accept an unprecedented record of multiple vagrant
White Ibis. |
Ryan O. |
25 May 2013 |
Acc |
Description is right on, eliminating similar species, and timing is good
for a vagrant. |
2nd round: |
13 Aug 2013 |
Acc |
I scanned around
many of the other peripheral records of White Ibis in eBird and every
observation of 30+ that I looked at reported only a single bird. I checked
in Birds of North America about when pair bonds form, and it was not very
explicit, although it did describe the species as monogamous. My
conclusion is that it is quite unlikely to see a pair of vagrants
together, but plausible that a mated pair could wander together. I did not
see enough evidence to the contrary to convince me to change my vote. |
Terry S.. |
24 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
While no photo the
narrative describes a White Ibis. The only question is the origin of the
bird and if it may be an escapee. At this point I think it is likely an
acceptable sighting. |
2nd round: |
28 Aug 2013 |
Acc |
I agree that 2 White
Ibis showing up together in Utah is extremely unlikely, but the
description given is pretty much unmistakable for this species. |
Jack S.. |
13 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
The structure and
plumage descriptions (White overall, red face, bill, and legs, black wing
tips especially prominent) are certainly right and distinctive for this
species. |
Mark S. |
12 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
Decent description of a nearly unmistakeable species, at least as an
adult. |
2nd round: |
28 Aug 2013 |
Acc |
I don't think that
the i.d. of an adult of this species could be easily mistaken. Given that
it's not a species commonly kept in captivity in this region, I'm not
overly concerned with the idea that this is an escapee. |
David W. |
26 May 2013 |
Acc |
It is unfortunate that this sighting was not reported on one of the rare
species alerts/websites (at least none I am aware of). This is a very rare
species in Utah. |
2nd round: |
28 Aug 2013 |
Acc |
Since birds often travel together in groups, I see no reason why two birds
couldn't get lost together. |
2013-44 Prothonotary Warbler
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Kathy B. |
6 Jul 2013 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
10 Aug 2013 |
Acc |
|
3rd round: |
9 Nov 2013 |
Acc |
I still believe this
was a Prothonotary Warbler. The description, although sparse, indicates
overall coloring of the bird. No wing bars were mentioned meaning to me
they were not observed and therefore were not mentioned in the description
of what was seen. This omission has created concern for other committee
members, but I don't assume not mentioning wing bars means the bird was
seen in poor lighting or not well. |
Bob B. |
23 May 2013 |
Acc |
Very good description. |
2nd round: |
2 Aug 2013 |
Acc |
|
3rd round: |
1 Oct 2013 |
No, ID |
I still suspect that
this bird is a Prothonotary Warbler, but have enough doubts after reading
everyones notes that I too am changing my vote. There definitely are
certain key id features that are not described. |
Rick F. |
11 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
15 Aug 2013 |
Acc |
|
3rd round: |
11 Oct 2013 |
Acc |
|
Ryan O. |
25 May 2013 |
No, ID |
I'm on the fence on this one, and could easily be convinced to vote to
accept, but I'd like to see other's opinions before doing so. My main
concern was with the "Similar Species" section and the lack of an attempt
to eliminate similar yellow songbirds with bluish wings, such as Pine
Warbler, Blue-winged Warbler, and Yellow-throated Vireo. Some evidence
against Yellow-throated Vireo is provided in the description of belly as
yellow (not white) and bill as "sharp, pointed", but on the other hand, a
Yellow-throated Vireo's bill could still be described as sharp and pointed
in comparison to, for example, a House Finch, and the observer states that
the undertail coverts were not seen so perhaps the lower belly was also
not seen. Blue-winged Warbler is eliminated only by the lack of mention of
dark lores or wing bars, but the description also did not describe these
as being absent. Likewise, Pine Warbler is only really eliminated because
wing bars were not mentioned, but the observer did not actually say
whether or not the bird had any wing bars. Description of the back as dark
gray with a bluish tinge indicates that views were brief and obscured. (Prothonotary
Warblers have an olive green back and lesser and median upperwing coverts
that contrast with blue-gray greater coverts and remiges). This, of
course, isn't reason to discredit the record in itself, but if the back
color were not seen well, then perhaps wing bars could have been missed?
The observer also doesn't mention whether he has any previous experience
with the potentially similar species. The report is mostly consistent with
Prothonotary Warbler and probably describes that species, but I'd be much
more comfortable with this record if similar species were excluded more
explicitly. |
2nd round: |
13 Aug 2013 |
No, ID |
It seems I'm not the
only one with reservations about accepting this record. As mentioned in
the first round, the description does not completely eliminate Pine
Warbler, Blue-winged Warbler, or Yellow-throated Vireo, and is not
entirely consistent with Prothonotary Warbler. |
3rd round: |
5 Nov 2013 |
No, ID |
Concerns from
previous rounds remain, and third-round "Accept" votes cast so far make no
attempt to address those concerns. |
Ron R. |
|
|
|
Terry S.. |
12 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
While no photos the
description adequately identifies the bird |
2nd round: |
10 Sep 2013 |
No, ID |
While I still
believer this is a prothonotary warbler I agree there are some field marks
that were not mentioned to adequately eliminate the possibility of similar
species. |
3rd round: |
29 Sep 2013 |
No, ID |
Key field marks not
noted that would exclude possibility of similar warblers |
Jack S.. |
13 Jun 2013 |
No, ID |
I'm hesitant to vote
yes on this record because of some of the narrative. In particular the
observer did not observe (and does point this out) the contrast between
the pure white undertail coverts and bright yellow of the chest to head.
My experience is that this is very obvious with a good view of the bird.
I'd like to hear discussion from other committee members regarding this
record. |
2nd round: |
23 Sep 2013 |
No, ID |
Same comments as
above. |
3rd round: |
7 Nov 2013 |
No, ID |
Same comments as
above. |
Mark S. |
12 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
Not the best description, but definitive markings were noted. |
2nd round: |
28 Aug 2013 |
No, ID |
I'm going to change
my vote, based upon the concerns of others stated here, and a closer
review of the record. The description is too sketchy to completely
eliminate other species, including even Yellow Warbler, and the behavior
doesn't even sound much like Prothonotary Warbler, that usually forages
lower. The bill color was not noted, and the dark wings/tail, etc. could
have been from poor lighting, etc. Apparently the colors were weak enough
that a female was suspected, and that, too, adds to the idea that certain
characters were perhaps poorly seen or over-stated. |
3rd round: |
19 Nov 2013 |
No, ID |
|
David W. |
4 Jun 2013 |
No, ID |
I could go either way on this record, so I'll push it towards the second
round. The things that make me pause are the following:
1) There is no mention of whether the bird had wing bars. This is
important because the Blue-winged warbler was not dealt with in the
similar species section.
2) Likewise, the size was mentioned but the observer did not explain how
the size was determined. Were there Yellow warblers and Robins in the same
tree for comparison?
3) The greenish back is not mentioned (though the blue-gray wings can be
seen as the "back" when folded.
4) The tail pattern was not noted, though distinct.
As I said, these troubling points do not necessarily disqualify the ID,
but I was curious what the rest of you thought. |
2nd round: |
28 Aug 2013 |
No, ID |
My concerns remain. |
3rd round: |
22 Oct 2013 |
No, ID |
|
2013-45 Glossy Ibis
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Kathy B. |
6 Jul 2013 |
Acc |
|
Bob B. |
2 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
|
Rick F. |
11 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
Nice record |
Ryan O. |
26 May 2013 |
abst |
[submitted the record] |
Terry S.. |
12 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
|
Jack S.. |
13 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
12 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
Good description, adequate photos. |
David W. |
4 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
|
2013-46 Glossy Ibis
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Kathy B. |
6 Jul 2013 |
Acc |
|
Bob B. |
2 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
I am a bit concerned about how pink the legs are. Rest of description and
photos look ok for Glossy. In the back of my mind I have to wonder if this
couldn't be a hybrid, but I suspect it is a true Glossy. |
Rick F. |
11 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
|
Ryan O. |
26 May 2013 |
abst |
[submitted the record] |
Terry S.. |
12 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
|
Jack S.. |
13 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
12 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
|
David W. |
4 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
This individual may be, to some small degree, a hybrid, based on the
amount of pink in the legs. But it displays by far more Glossy ibis
characteristics than White-faced. |
2013-47 Glossy Ibis
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Kathy B. |
6 Jul 2013 |
Acc |
|
Bob B. |
2 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
Wish the legs could be seen, but everything else fits with Glossy Ibis.
Good photo. |
Rick F. |
11 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
|
Ryan O. |
26 May 2013 |
abst |
[submitted the record] |
Terry S.. |
12 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
|
Jack S.. |
13 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
12 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
|
David W. |
4 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
|
2013-48 Western Gull
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Kathy B. |
6 Jul 2013 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
10 Aug 2013 |
Acc |
I think this
description is adequate for a Western Gull. The "light legs" do not bother
me in that Slaty-backed and Yellow-footed Gulls typically have bright pink
and bright yellow legs respectively. For a Western Gull, the pink color
should be distinguishable in good light, but it is not always bright. In
dimmer light the legs could appear light without being able to distinguish
between a tinge of pink, yellow, green, etc. |
Bob B. |
2 Jun 2013 |
No, ID |
I suppose this is most likely a Western Gull. However I am troubled by
what are called light colored legs. Western Gull legs are distinctly pink.
I don't think Slaty-backed Gull can be completely ruled out. Or for that
matter, even Great Black-backed Gull. Perhaps even a Lesser Black-backed
Gull could be described as having light colored legs. The former two of
course are extremely unlikely, but I would like to see what others say on
this bird. |
2nd round: |
2 Aug 2013 |
No, ID |
|
Rick F. |
11 Jun 2013 |
No, ID |
The description is
rather scant for a record without accompanying photos. Perhaps others on
the field trip took photos? |
2nd round: |
2 Aug 2013 |
No, ID |
The description is
not conclusive for a Western Gull; other dark-backed gulls are not
adequately eliminated. |
Ryan O. |
29 May 2013 |
No, ID |
Several things just don't quite add up for this record. First, legs are
described as "light colored" but Yellow-footed Gull is eliminated because
the legs were not yellow, and Slaty-backed Gull was eliminated because the
legs were not pink, so I don't know what color the legs were except that
they were light and not pink or yellow. Regardless, this is at odds with
identification as a Western Gull, because an adult Western Gull should
have pink legs. Second, although this gull was observed in mid-May, it was
described as being in non-breeding plumage, but all adult northern
hemisphere gulls should be in breeding plumage in mid-May. Therefore,
elimination of Glaucous-winged Gull and Slaty-backed Gull for the lack of
head streaking is not supported: these gulls also lack head streaking in
breeding plumage in May. Several large, dark-backed gulls are then
eliminated in part by location, which is not a feature to use to rule out
vagrant species of gulls: Western Gull could likewise be "ruled out" by
location. Finally, nothing is presented to eliminate other large, dark,
pink-legged gulls (except that the legs may not have been pink?) such as
Great Black-backed Gull. |
2nd round: |
13 Aug 2013 |
No, ID |
Description does not
eliminate other large, dark gulls with pale legs such as Great
Black-backed Gull, Kelp Gull, "Olympic Gull," and Slaty-backed Gull. |
Terry S.. |
12 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
10 Sep 2013 |
No, ID |
I agree that other
large gulls were not adequately ruled out and weakens the record for
acceptability. |
Jack S.. |
13 Jun 2013 |
No, ID |
The description of
this bird is marginal in my opinion and many details are not present. A
photograph would have been extremely useful. I'm open to what other
committee members suggest. |
2nd round: |
23 Sep 2013 |
No, ID |
same as above and
others have similar concerns |
Mark S. |
12 Jun 2013 |
No, ID |
I'd like to have some discussion on this record. The distance and the
weather both provided less than ideal viewing conditions. I'm concerned by
the lack of clarity regarding the leg color - a critical field mark.
Apparently they were neither yellow nor pink. "Light colored" isn't very
helpful. Neither Kelp Gull nor Great Black-backed Gull were considered,
nor was Lesser Black-backed, though that would presumably be eliminated by
bill shape.
Lots of questions about this record to have much confidence in the i.d. |
2nd round: |
30 Aug 2013 |
No, ID |
.As per my first
round comments.
I really doubt that this was seen well enough to be at all certain about
the i.d. |
David W. |
4 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
I was troubled by this record because of the timing (Western gull
migration should end by early April, per the Cornell BONAOL site) and the
statement that the legs were NOT pink. But I suppose, despite the lateness
of the season, this could be a very pale-pink-legged individual. |
2nd round: |
29 Aug 2013 |
No, ID |
I'm going to switch my vote on this to NO. The record is just not
convincing enough for me to be certain. |
2013-49 Least Tern
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Kathy B. |
6 Jul 2013 |
Acc |
|
Bob B. |
2 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
What great photos. |
Rick F. |
11 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
Great record |
Ryan O. |
29 May 2013 |
Acc |
As with the two other recent Least Tern records, no attempt is made to
eliminate the very similar (but much less likely) Saunder's Tern or Little
Tern, and this written record does not provide sufficient detail to rule
out these two closely-related Old World species. Fortunately, the details
in the photos are sufficient to make this distinction. Saunder's Tern is
eliminated by two (not three or four) black outer primaries and the shape
of the white forehead patch, and Little Tern is eliminated by the grayish
rump (not white) that does not contrast with the lower back. |
Terry S.. |
12 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
|
Jack S.. |
13 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
Excellent
description and spectacular photographs! |
Mark S. |
12 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
Excellent photos, decent description. |
David W. |
4 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
Great photos. |
2013-50 Scaled Quail
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Kathy B. |
6 Jul 2013 |
No, Nat |
Although the description in this record is sparse, I would accept it as a
Scaled Quail. However, the natural occurrence of this bird at this
location is questionable. I think it's more likely an escapee. |
2nd round: |
10 Aug 2013 |
No, Nat |
My concern for
natural occurrence of the bird at this location is unchanged. |
Bob B. |
10 Jul 2013 |
No, ID |
This record is difficult for me on two accounts. First, it is difficult to
be absolutely certain of identification with a brief observation while
driving at speed on the highway, although the description certainly sounds
good. Second, one has to wonder a bit about the provenance of any game
bird that is clearly seen this far out of it's expected range. This may
well have been a Scaled Quail, but for the above reasons I would like to
see what others have to say. |
2nd round: |
10 Aug 2013 |
No, Nat |
|
Rick F. |
|
|
|
2nd round: |
15 Aug 2013 |
No, Nat |
|
Ryan O. |
11 Jun 2013 |
No, Nat |
I believe the observer saw a Scaled Quail, and I think the description,
although brief, eliminates similar species. However, given the distance to
other accepted records of this species in Utah (all in San Juan County, so
far); the lack of a pattern of vagrancy in this species; the commercial
availability of Scaled Quail eggs (a current eBay listing, for
example: ); and the fact that it is legal to use pen-raised
Scaled Quail for training hunting dogs in Utah (link
), I think it is too likely that this is an escaped or released domestic
bird and not a natural vagrant from established populations. |
2nd round: |
13 Aug 2013 |
No, Nat |
Concerns from the
first round about the origin of this bird (potentially captive) remain. |
Ron R. |
|
|
|
Terry S.. |
24 Jun 2013 |
No, Int |
The observer had a
quick view of the bird as it flew across the road but is familiar with the
species since he had hunted them in Colorado. Most likely the observered
bird is a scaled quail but I have concerns with a circleville sighting.
This some distance from known populations of the species as is more likely
to be an introduced bird. |
Jack S.. |
13 Jun 2013 |
No, ID |
I'm hesitant to accept this
record in the first round without some discussion. Although the 'cottontop'
tuft is quite distinctive on a running bird (this is often the view I've
had of this species), the few seconds of observation time from a speeding
vehicle makes me wonder how well this bird was observed. |
Mark S. |
12 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
Amazing record for the location, but the description fits, and the
description of the scaly pattern and crest are distinctive. |
2nd round: |
30 Aug 2013 |
No, Nat |
Funny, I didn't even consider the possibility of a game-farm bird, and
although I see that Scaled Quail are not a commonly kept bird, they are
kept, so the possibility that these were escapees exists. This raises an
issue even for the SE Utah records, especially as I see that Colorado has
questioned the origin of records in the SW part of Colorado. With photos,
there might be some help, as the form that seems to be most traded in
captivity, the "Blue Scaled Quail," can be easily identified, and is
different from the expected wild forms. |
David W. |
8 Jul 2013 |
No, Nat |
I do not doubt this was a Scaled quail. However, this is so far out
of that species' natural range, and, as a game bird, likely to be bred in
some local hunting club. |
2nd round: |
28 Aug 2013 |
No, Nat |
People report Bobwhites in Utah on a regular basis, yet the consensus is
that they are escapees from game farms (or unharvested denizens thereof). |
2013-51 Northern Parula
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Kathy B. |
6 Jul 2013 |
Acc |
|
Bob B. |
11 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
Would like to have seen a photo, but the description is adequate for ID. |
Rick F. |
11 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
There really isn't
much to go on here, but the limited description provided fits... |
Ryan O. |
11 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
|
Terry S.. |
24 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
|
Jack S.. |
13 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
The description was
not complete, but it was sufficient in my opinion to identify this
species. |
Mark S. |
12 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
Description fits this species. Observed eye-arcs eliminate Tropical Parula,
Crescent-chested Warbler. |
David W. |
11 Jul 2013 |
Acc |
I am not convinced that this was a female from the description, but,
despite there being no mention of the back, I believe this was a Northern
parula. |
2013-52 Baltimore Oriole
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Kathy B. |
6 Jul 2013 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
13 Aug 2013 |
Acc |
|
Bob B. |
11 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
13 Aug 2013 |
Acc |
|
Rick F. |
11 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
limited description,
but described key diagnostic characters |
2nd round: |
15 Aug 2013 |
Acc |
I really don't have
a problem with this record.
Ryan describes three characters that might be associated with a hybrid:
black hood, no black on tail, and Baltimore Oriole like song. While these
characters can be expressed on some hybrid orioles, they are found on all
Baltimore Orioles. |
Ryan O. |
11 Jun 2013 |
No, ID |
Probably a Baltimore Oriole but I'd prefer to see more explicit
elimination of hybrids. Some hybrids (possibly backcrosses) can fit the
description given including the solidly dark hood and lack of black on the
end of the tail,
like this: Also, in a study
of the songs of hybrid Baltimore x Bullock's Orioles, song was found to
not be intermediate, but rather to strongly resemble Baltimore Oriole (Edinger
1985, as cited in the Birds of North America account), possibly because
song was learned from a pure Baltimore father. I'm convinced the bird
reported was at least partly Baltimore Oriole, but without photos or notes
describing the wing coverts in detail I don't think a hybrid could be
eliminated. |
2nd round: |
13 Aug 2013 |
No, ID |
This identification
is made on three points: black hood, no black on tail tip, and Baltimore
Oriole-like song. However, all three of these can be expected in hybrids,
therefore, Bullock's x Baltimore hybrid was not sufficiently eliminated
here. It can be quite difficult to eliminate hybrids for some species
pairs, but I believe it is important to do so to keep our records
accurate. |
Terry S.. |
7 Jul 2013 |
Acc |
While more
description would be desirable for such a rare sighting for Utah I vote to
accept this record. This is a distinctive species and enough basic
description was given. Also the observer was able to match the song with
the bird app. Song |
2nd round: |
10 Sep 2013 |
Acc |
As with my first
round comments the description given, though not complete, makes me
believe this is a Baltimore Oriole. I see no indication this may have been
a hybrid. |
Jack S.. |
13 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
23 Sep 2013 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
12 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
Good description of a distinctive (males, at least) species. |
2nd round: |
30 Aug 2013 |
Acc |
While a hybrid might not be entirely eliminated by this description,
there's nothing that actually suggests a hybrid individual. Given that
hybrids are rare relative to the "pure" individuals, I think that unless
there's some evidence to suggest a hybrid, it doesn't make sense to reject
a record from the mere possibility that it might be a hybrid. |
David W. |
11 Jul 2013 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
13 Aug 2013 |
Acc |
|
2013-53 Least Flycatcher
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Kathy B. |
6 Jul 2013 |
Acc |
|
Bob B. |
11 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
Excellent description. Diagnostic song description. |
Rick F. |
15 Aug 2013 |
Acc |
|
Ryan O. |
10 Jun 2013 |
abst |
[submitted record] |
Terry S.. |
7 Jul 2013 |
Acc |
Excellent
documentation. |
Jack S.. |
13 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
Nice Record! |
Mark S. |
12 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
Excellent documentation, recording cinches the i.d., but the description
and photos both support it as well. |
David W. |
11 Jul 2013 |
Acc |
Bill is on the large side, but everything else matches. |
2013-54 Glossy Ibis
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Kathy B. |
10 Jul 2013 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
14 Sep 2013 |
Acc |
I still think the description is sufficient to accept this as a Glossy
Ibis. |
Bob B. |
19 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
Would like to have had a description of the legs also, especially with
this close a look, but I believe this was a Glossy Ibis. |
2nd round: |
11 Sep 2013 |
Acc |
I still feel comfortable voting yes on this bird. |
Rick F. |
15 Aug 2013 |
No, ID |
Without supporting
photos, description is too scant to eliminate possible hybrid. |
2nd round: |
18 Sep 2013 |
No, ID |
Still believe we cannot rule out a possible hybrid with only a limited
discription |
Ryan O. |
20 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
Again, I'd prefer to see WFIB x GLIB hybrids more explicitly eliminated in
the elimination of similar species, but the description seems to fit pure
GLIB and exclude most or all examples of hybrids. |
2nd round: |
5 Sep 2013 |
Acc |
While certainly concise, I believe the description of the face as blue,
eye as black, and white edges of face stopping at the eye is sufficient to
rule out identifiable hybrids. If the description were less clear (eye as
"dark", facial skin as "dark" or "not red"), I would be voting to not
accept. |
Ron R. |
24 Aug 2013 |
Acc |
Minimal description,
but saw at very close range and described distinct facial pattern. |
Terry S.. |
13 Jul 2013 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
10 Sep 2013 |
Acc |
The good description of the facial pattern does not hint of a hybrid
possibility. |
Jack S.. |
13 Aug 2013 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
24 Aug 2013 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
30 Aug 2013 |
Acc |
|
David W. |
11 Jul 2013 |
Acc |
It would have been nice to see a discussion of the legs, but the face
description is adequate. |
2nd round: |
11 Sep 2013 |
Acc |
|
2013-55 Neotropic Cormorant
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Kathy B. |
8 Feb 2014 |
Acc |
|
Bob B. |
18 Dec 2013 |
Acc |
We are dealing with rather poor photos and no description, and certain
portions of the report seem to differ from what I see in the photos. The
report notes that 1 bird is sitting. The photos show birds both sitting
and flying. In the flying photos it appears to me that there are 2
probable Neotropic Cormorants, not one. The face pattern and size
comparison with the other flying cormorant, in spite of the above problems
with the report, cause me to vote yes. |
2nd round: |
11 Feb 2014 |
Acc |
I still feel the flying photos are adequate for identification, although
certainly less than ideal. |
Rick F. |
8 Jan 2014 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
17 Mar 2014 |
Acc |
Photos are diagnostic |
Ryan O. |
18 Dec 2013 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
20 Feb 2014 |
Acc |
To refresh our memories, these Neotropic Cormorant records had to go back
to the first round because some of the photos were assigned to the wrong
records the last time we voted. I think the in-flight photos with this
record are completely convincing, showing brown lores, long tails, etc. |
Terry S.. |
28 Dec 2013 |
No, ID |
Without narrative
description I believe the photos are not adequate to accept this record |
2nd round:
|
2 Mar 2014 |
No, ID |
I am still not comfortable accepting this record. The quality of the
photos, I believe, do not adequately show identification. The birds are
not labeled and I am not sure the observer is indicating 2 Neotropic
Cormorants or showing comparison with a Double-crested Cormorant. |
Dennis S. |
13 Jan 2014 |
Acc |
Enlarged photos show
pointed border of gular pouch at bill base of two immature birds. |
2nd round: |
25 Feb 2014 |
Acc |
|
Jack S.. |
22 Dec 2013 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
3 Mar 2014 |
Acc |
The photograph
showing side-by-side comparison of DCCO and NECO in flight is distinctive. |
Steve S. |
29 Jan 2014 |
Acc |
Virtually no description, but the photos seem to show Neotropic
Cormorants. |
2nd round: |
24 Feb 2014 |
Acc |
|
David W. |
24 Jan 2014 |
No, ID |
I thought we'd already voted on these. Photo A1 is the one where the
branch behind the tail makes the tail look longer. |
2nd round:
|
25 Feb 2014 |
No, ID |
When I look at the proportions of this bird, especially visible when
flying, it is identical to the DC cormorant behind it. In the sitting bird
photo, which is of a hunched bird next to an erect one the tail looks
longer than it is because there is a branch directly behind it. I'm
sticking to NO. |
2013-56 Least Flycatcher
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Kathy B. |
10 Jul 2013 |
Acc |
|
Bob B. |
19 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
Great audio is definitive. |
Rick F. |
15 Jul 2013 |
Acc |
Nice record |
Ryan O. |
20 Jun 2013 |
Acc |
|
Ron R. |
24 Aug 2013 |
Acc |
Audio sufficient and
photos helpful for ID. |
Terry S.. |
13 Jul 2013 |
Acc |
Great documentation |
Jack S.. |
13 Aug 2013 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
24 Aug 2013 |
Acc |
Audio recording cinches this record. Photos, though less conclusive, are
consistent with this species. |
David W. |
11 Jul 2013 |
Acc |
|
2013-57 Least Flycatcher
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Kathy B. |
10 Jul 2013 |
Acc |
|
Bob B. |
10 Jul 2013 |
Acc |
Thanks for the definitive call note heard on the video. |
Rick F. |
15 Jul 2013 |
Acc |
|
Ryan O. |
17 Jul 2013 |
Acc |
|
Ron R. |
24 Aug 2013 |
Acc |
Video clearly
displays distinct song of this species. |
Terry S.. |
13 Jul 2013 |
Acc |
|
Jack S.. |
23 Aug 2013 |
Acc |
song description,
recordings, and photographs supportive |
Mark S. |
24 Aug 2013 |
Acc |
Good documentation, as with the previous record, the audio is conclusive. |
David W. |
11 Jul 2013 |
Acc |
Bill is a bit on the large side, but audio unmistakable. |
2013-58 Neotropic Cormorant
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Kathy B. |
8 Feb 2014 |
Acc |
|
Bob B. |
18 Dec 2013 |
Acc |
I am hesitant to vote yes on any bird with no description and with photos
this poor. I don't think we can make any definitive id from the head and
face pattern on this bird as the photos are just not adequate. However in
viewing the overall profile I really believe this is a Neotropic
Cormorant. The tail is just too long for a Double-crested and the observer
notes that a nearby Double-crested was much larger. So I am voting yes. |
2nd round: |
27 Feb 2014 |
Acc |
I will continue to vote yes on this bird, not because I am happy with the
poor photos or the essentially nonexistent description, but because it is
probably a Neotropic Cormorant and in the overall scheme of things this
bird is common enough now in the state that this vote really makes no
difference. I must say that I am most happy to not have to vote on this
species again.. |
Rick F. |
8 Jan 2014 |
Acc |
No description, but
photos are conclusive |
2nd round: |
17 Mar 2014 |
Acc |
I'm disappointed in the lack of written description, however, the photos
are definitive. |
Ryan O. |
5 Feb 2014 |
Acc |
Tail length looks strikingly different between these two birds, although
they are both reported as Neotropic Cormorants. Including the
Double-crested in the photo would have been helpful. The lack of mention
of lore color, gape shape, and other diagnostic features in the written
record is not helpful. I'm giving the benefit of the doubt here, because I
think I can see a relatively shorter bill and more compact body than I'd
expect for a Double-crested Cormorant, but could be convinced otherwise. |
2nd round: |
20 Feb 2014 |
Acc |
I'm on the fence on this one, but leaning to accept. I think the
photo shows a comparison of Double-crested and Neotropic in the same shot,
and if so, the size difference seems to be apparent. However, the
narrative is scant, and doesn't mention any of the other field marks to
identify these two species. |
Terry S.. |
28 Dec 2013 |
No, ID |
Without narrative
description I believe the photos are not adequate to accept this record |
2nd round: |
4 Mar 2014 |
No, ID |
As with my first round comments, there is no narrative to help describe
which bird is which. Is the shorter tailed bird which appears smaller than
the longer tailed bird suppose to be a Double-crested? I could take a stab
at identifying the birds by profile but I don't believe that is our role
as reviewers. The record should provide enough narrative to describe what
is being seen in the photo, especially given the poor quality of the photo
and the chance of misinterpreting the image. |
Dennis S. |
13 Jan 2014 |
Acc |
Photos and report
does leave some things to be desired though. |
2nd round: |
25 Feb 2014 |
Acc |
|
Jack S.. |
11 Jan 2014 |
No, ID |
I voted "no"
on the original submission of this record and I continue to be uncertain
of the ID. The written description is sparse and I'm not even confident of
what's shown in photograph A; two NECOs? or one DCCO and one NECO? I would
like to hear what other committee members write about this record before
reconsidering my vote.
I'm assuming the observer thinks the right-most bird is a Neotropic
Cormorant(NECO) while on the left is a DCCO.(?) The putative NECO does
have a slightly smaller build and the bill appears thinner. The supraloral
area also appears dark but this is hard to judge from the photos. The DCCO
tail however appears relatively long and the NECO appears short.(?) The
gular area is not described and the photographs do not show this area well
enough to determine the shape and brightness. |
2nd round: |
3 Mar 2014 |
No, ID |
I'm still voting "no" on this record for the same reasons as above. |
Steve S. |
29 Jan 2014 |
Acc |
As with record 2013-55 absolutely no description, but the photos, though
not very good, seem to show Neotropic Cormorants. |
2nd round: |
18 Mar 2014 |
Acc |
same reasons as second round |
David W.
2nd round: |
25 Feb 2014 |
Acc |
The write-up on this record is not only "sparce," but also doesn't seem to
match the photo it addresses. The apparently larger bird has the
apparently longer tail, contrary to the write-up! I didn't even want to
vote on this the first round because I found it so confusing (then the
deadline snuck up on me--sorry). In order to make any sense of this
record, I'm just going to ignore the write-up and vote on the photos.
Personally, I'd like to see it binned, especially since we have so many
good reports of this species in the state now anyway. |
2013-59 Glossy Ibis
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Kathy B. |
10 Aug 2013 |
Acc |
|
Bob B. |
10 Jul 2013 |
Acc |
|
Rick F. |
15 Aug 2013 |
Acc |
No description but
photos are diagnostic. |
Ryan O. |
17 Jul 2013 |
Acc |
|
Ron R. |
24 Aug 2013 |
Acc |
Nice photos show
distinct facial pattern. No suggestion of hybrid. |
Terry S.. |
23 Jul 2013 |
Acc |
|
Jack S.. |
13 Aug 2013 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
27 Aug 2013 |
Acc |
Good documentation and excellent photos. I also observed this bird in the
field, and had excellent views. The description as written is accurate,
and I fully concur with the i.d. |
David W. |
8 Jul 2013 |
Acc |
|
2013-60 Least Flycatcher
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Kathy B. |
10 Aug 2013 |
Acc |
|
Bob B. |
10 Jul 2013 |
Acc |
|
Rick F. |
15 Aug 2013 |
Acc |
nice photos |
Ryan O. |
17 Jul 2013 |
Acc |
|
Terry S.. |
23 Jul 2013 |
Acc |
|
Jack S.. |
23 Aug 2013 |
Acc |
song description
supportive; photographs supportive |
Mark S. |
27 Aug 2013 |
Acc |
Excellent documentation - distinctive call was heard. |
David W. |
11 Jul 2013 |
Acc |
|
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