2007-01 Scaled Quail
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
18 Feb 2007 |
Acc |
Thorough description
and nice photos. |
Kristin P. |
27 Feb 2007 |
Acc |
|
Ronald R. |
2 Apr 2007 |
Acc |
Very nice record.
Photos convincing, but written description very well done. |
Terry S. |
31 Jan 2007 |
Acc |
Convincing Photos. |
Mark S. |
25 Jan 2007 |
Acc |
A nicely documented
record with good photos. I'm especially impressed with the extensive list
of similar species considered, though I'm a bit puzzled as too why the
most similar species - Elegant Quail - wasn't considered, though the scaly
pattern on the breast would eliminate that species. Of course, all that
scaliness could be Inca Dove ;-) . . . A really nice record. |
Larry T. |
25 Feb 2007 |
Acc |
This is a species
that one had to think was probably in that area of the state with their
close proximity and the reports that
have been made. It's certainly great that someone found what seems to be a
reliable spot to find them. |
David W. |
17 Jan 2007 |
Acc |
Oh yeah, baby! I was going to devote a week in the four corners area in
search of these guys next summer (they HAD to be there, based on the range
maps), but Dennis Shirley saved me alot of sun tan lotion with his
posting. The Canyon towhees must be around there too, and people should
spend some time taping/searching for those in similar habitat. After
Checking the photos: It is interesting that the quails are grayer in the
photos than I remembered. In one picture, which was taken around one of
the few times that I used my binoculars, the quail is showing its buffy
breast with very little gray visible, but overall I must admit my
description seems to have overemphasized the buffiness of these birds. Not
that it changes the ID, but it does remind me of the importance of taking
careful notes in the field instead of relying on quick glances, calls, and
photos. |
2007-02 Lesser Black-backed Gull
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
31 Mar 2007 |
Acc |
Adequate desciption
and elimination of other potential species. |
Kristin P. |
2 Jul 2007 |
Acc |
|
Ronald R. |
30 Jun 2007 |
Acc |
The description is
adequate to describe this species and to eliminate other similar species.
Kelp gull is also a similar species,
but the head streaking would eliminate kelp gull. |
Terry S. |
8 Apr 2007 |
Acc |
A photo would have
been helpful on this sighting but the observers have given a good
description that seems to eliminate other possible species. |
Mark S. |
11 Mar 2007 |
Acc |
Nice description,
though I would have liked something on the bill shape and structure that
would have made it easier to eliminate Yellow-footed Gull. The combination
of eye color, leg color, and bill markings should eliminate all other
possibilities. As a note, I find mantle color to be particularly difficult
in a group of California Gulls, especially in full sunlight. As this
sighting was during overcast, it may be more reliable. |
Larry T. |
1 Jun 2007 |
Acc |
Description is
convincing.
|
David W. |
27 Mar 2007 |
Acc |
Although I would have liked to have seen more discussion of:
1) the underside of the wings in flight (should have been notably darker
near tips and flight feathers) realtive to other gulls near it;
2) the relative size of the wing windows (the second primary should have a
much smaller window, if any, according to Grant and every field guide
picture I looked at); and
3) the shape & size of the bill,
I think the combination of field marks presented is convincing. |
2007-03 Lawrence's Goldfinch
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
7 May 2007 |
Acc |
Nice record |
Kristin P. |
2 Jul 2007 |
Acc |
|
Ronald R. |
14 Jun 2007 |
Acc |
Excellent photos! |
Terry S. |
8 Apr 2007 |
Acc |
Great Photos! |
Mark S. |
2 Apr 2007 |
Acc |
Excellent record and
photos. Nice to have this species so well documented for the state. |
Larry T. |
1 Jun 2007 |
Acc |
Nice record for the
state.
Great photos and nice description. |
David W. |
10 Apr 2007 |
Acc |
Wonderful pictures leave no doubt. |
2007-04 Yellow-bellied Sapsucker
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
7 May 2007 |
Acc |
Description is brief
but adequate and timing is okay for a vagrant YB Sapsucker. |
2nd round |
4 Aug 2007 |
Acc |
|
Kristin P. |
2 Jul 2007 |
Acc |
|
2nd round |
14 Jul 2007 |
Acc |
I believe the
observer correctly identified the review bird as a sapsucker, and that
timing and migration pattern of the Yellow-bellied are appropriate for
this record to be possible.
In addition, of the possible hybrids, nowhere can I find that a S. varius
hybrid could show both a complete white chin/throat bordered in black
along with a white nape (not in Kaufman, 1990, Devillers, 1970, or Howell,
1952 and 1953). I don't have access to Pyle, 1997; I hope another
committee member can check that reference. My research validated that the
observer correctly focused on the white throat and understood the
sigificance of that field mark for a female S. varius.
Despite the fact that a white nape could be produced from wear and that
April is far enough past a Red-naped's late summer/early fall molt for the
nape to be worn, I don't think the combination of white throat and white
nape is likely enough either for S. nuchalis or for a S. varius x S.
nuchalis (or any other varius combination) not to accept this record.
The other varius-group characters I would like to have reviewed (back
pattern and extent of white/gold on back), width of white vs. black
stripes across face, extent of black upper breast) are less significant in
my mind than are the pure white throat and white nape for a female
Yellow-bellied Sapsucker.
My previous vote stands. |
Ronald R. |
30 Jun 2007 |
No, ID |
I don't feel the
throat characteristic is sufficient to rule out red-naped or a hybrid.
Other characteristics would help make this
a more convincing record. |
2nd round |
26 Jul 2007 |
Acc |
I am still not happy with this record as it does not describe many of the
supporting field marks. But, I will defer to the
literature on this record and accept it based on the pure white throat. |
Terry S. |
24 May 2007 |
No, ID |
While this sounds
like a good record I am a little hesitant to accept it without more
description of the bird other than the throat area. Is there a possibility
of a hybrid? |
2nd round |
18 Jul 2007 |
Acc |
After reading other comments and studying this record, I agree this looks
like an acceptable sighting. |
Mark S. |
30 Jun 2007 |
Acc |
This is a tough
call, as the observer didn't see all the useful field marks, and I'm not
sure exactly how definitive the white
throat is by itself. It would certainly be an unusual Red-naped. The
hybrid question is also significant. I'm open to discussion on this one,
and hope somebody is uncomfortable about this record so we go to another
round. On the other hand, if everyone feels o.k. about this record, I'm
o.k. with it, too. |
2nd round |
23 Jul 2007 |
Acc |
Thanks for the thorough review by Kris. I think this would be odd as a
Red-naped, and although it would be nice if other features were noted
(such as back pattern), I think the white throat with complete black
border is definitive. I don't have much faith in the lack of red on the
nape, and only have concern that a very small amount of red in the throat
could have been missed, but will trust the observer's description.
For the record, my original vote should have been recorded as "accept," at
least that's what I indended to vote if I made a mistake, but I'm glad to
have the discussion. |
Larry T. |
1 Jun 2007 |
Acc |
The lack of red on
the throat that was bordered in black sounds pretty good for a YB. |
2nd round |
30 Jul 2007 |
Acc |
|
David W. |
21 May 2007 |
Acc |
The literature supports the observer's claim about the significance of the
lack of red on throats of females. |
2nd round |
17 Jul 2007 |
Acc |
I stand with Kristin on this. The literature I checked also says the white
throat is definitive. |
2007-05 California Condor
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
7 May 2007 |
Acc |
I really don't think
the options available are appropriate for this record. I'd like to vote
"Accept (they are definitely Condors!), establishment of introduced
population questionable". There are always some condors present at Lava
Point / Kolob Canyon (since 2003). They move back and forth regularly
between Lava Point and the Vermilion Cliffs. |
2nd round |
4 Aug 2007 |
No, Nat |
|
Kristin P. |
2 Jul 2007 |
No, Int |
Two of the "No"
possibilities cover this species, No, Nat and No, Int. I don't believe the
introduced population would continue to survive without significant
intervention by the reintroduction team: first, by constant monitoring of
blood lead levels and retrapping for chelation therapy, and by providing
carcasses around the Vermillion Cliffs introduction site in Arizona where
most of the population winters. The population continues to grow due to
consistent new introductions and
not because the previously introduced birds are reproducing successfully.
Very few wild-hatched chicks have survived to adulthood. Classifying this
population as naturally occurring is something I hope for, but I believe
that status is still a long way off. |
2nd round |
8 Aug 2007 |
No, Int |
|
Ronald R. |
30 Jun 2007 |
No, Int |
While California
condors were certainly observed, these birds are from recent introductions
and do not meet the criteria for
natuarally occurring or sustainable populations. |
2nd round |
4 Aug 2007 |
No, Int |
(see my previous comments) |
Terry S. |
24 May 2007 |
No, Int |
I don't think we can
consider this an established species. |
2nd round |
11 Aug 2007 |
No, Int |
|
Mark S. |
30 Jun 2007 |
No, Int |
Nice photos and
record, but unfortunately not a clearly established population. |
2nd round |
21 Aug 2007 |
No, Int |
|
Larry T. |
30 Jul 2007 |
No, Int |
|
2nd round |
22 Aug 2007 |
No, Int |
|
David W. |
5 May 2007 |
No, Int |
The number tags are a dead givaway, eliminating any similar species.
This species is present in Southern Utah for much of the year (with a
retreat to southern climes in the winter months by most of the
individuals), especially in the Kolob area of Zion. However, the species
is not yet established and won't be considered so for years to come.
Currently the population of this generally long-lived species is breeding
in the wild but also suffers from high mortality and hospitalization rates
due to lead poisoning caused by ingestion of lead bullets (from deer shot
by hunters--a double-edged sword). The population has until very recently
been supplemented by captive-bred birds, and is, indeed, comprised mostly
of such birds. The existing birds are periodically rounded up for
veterenary care--hardly a truly wild population. They are there, they are
beautiful, they are a hope for a future with truly established wild
condors. However, right now they are an experiment in undoing what man and
climate change has wrought upon this once proud paleolithic holdover.
There is an organization (I believe it is the Peregrine Fund) which tracks
and husbands these beasts, and collects data on them. Therefore it serves
no purpose I can see for us to vote on sightings of condors. I say we
don't waste time voting on these in the future until the AOU determines
that they are once again an official member of the North American
avifauna.
Good night, gentlemen and gentle lady. |
2nd round |
1 Aug 2007 |
No, Int |
|
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2007-06 Vaux's Swift
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
7 Jun 2007 |
Acc |
Excellent photos. |
Kristin P. |
2 Jul 2007 |
Acc |
|
Ronald R. |
30 Jun 2007 |
Acc |
Good description and
photos. Nice review of differences from chimney swift. |
Terry S. |
24 May 2007 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
30 Jun 2007 |
Acc |
Excellent record and
photos; but the observer failed to note perhaps the strongest piece of
evidence separating this species from Chimney Swift in the section on
similar species. The birds were silent. I can't remember ever watching a
Chimney Swift for two hours without numerous vocalizations. |
Larry T. |
1 Jun 2007 |
Acc |
|
David W. |
21 May 2007 |
Acc |
remarkable photos. The rump shot was especially useful. |
2007-07 Painted Redstart
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
7 Jun 2007 |
Acc |
|
Kristin P. |
17 Jul 2007 |
Acc |
|
Ronald R. |
26 Jul 2007 |
Acc |
Convincing photo. |
Terry S. |
28 May 2007 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
30 Jun 2007 |
Acc |
Nice record, photo.
Well established occurrence in that location in recent years. |
Larry T. |
30 Jul 2007 |
Acc |
|
David W. |
30 May 2007 |
Acc |
Nice photo. |
2007-08 Hudsonian Godwit
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
7 Jun 2007 |
Acc |
Nice spring record.
Definitive photo. |
Kristin P. |
17 Jul 2007 |
Acc |
Description of back
color as dark rufous is not consistent with this species; however, a
combination of diagnostic characters
appeared in both the written description and image. |
Ronald R. |
26 Jul 2007 |
Acc |
Good photo and
description. |
Terry S. |
28 May 2007 |
Acc |
Convincing narrative
and photo |
Mark S. |
30 Jun 2007 |
Acc |
Nice record and
photo. |
Larry T. |
30 Jul 2007 |
Acc |
|
David W. |
30 May 2007 |
Acc |
Nice photo. |
2007-09 Philadelphia Vireo
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
7 Jun 2007 |
Acc |
This is an excellent
record. Outstanding photograph. |
2nd round: |
4 Aug 2007 |
Acc |
I believe this is a
very clean record of a Philadelphia Vireo. There is nothing in the
description or the photograph to suggest a Red-eyed Vireo or a hybrid. The
songs of these two species and very similar and distinguishing them by
song is very difficult. |
Kristin P. |
18 Jul 2007 |
Acc |
|
2nd round: |
8 Aug 2007 |
Acc |
I think the record
is comprehensive enough to eliminate the Red-eyed Vireo. Although the
narrative doesn't address separating the two by song, the photo clearly
establishes that the bird is a Philadelphia Vireo.
Regarding hybrids, Cornell's BNA species account uses the succinct words
"Hybrids unknown" to address the issue, although the remainder of the
paragraph is devoted to comparisons with the Warbling Vireo. I have not
found any other information to indicate that a hybrid is a possibility. |
Ronald R. |
26 Jul 2007 |
Acc |
Nice photo and
description. The song clinches the ID as it is very different from
warbling vireo. |
2nd round: |
5 Sep 2007 |
Acc |
My comments from
before still apply. This bird does not have the look of a red-eyed vireo
-- too much yellow in underparts, and lack of fine black line over white
eye stripe below gray cap. I appreciate this being sent to the second
round as it made me look at the record again. |
Terry S. |
15 Jun 2007 |
Acc |
The observer has
done a good job in identifying this species. I think the photo helps a
lot. |
2nd round: |
11 Aug 2007 |
Acc |
I believe the photo
clearly shows a Philadelphia Vireo. |
Mark S. |
30 Jun 2007 |
Acc |
Maybe the best
record we have yet of this species - with an excellent photo of an
individual at the extreme of variability for this species, making i.d.
easy. |
2nd round: |
21 Aug 2007 |
Acc |
I appreciate David's
comments and have taken a closer look at this record, but still find it to
fit Philadelphia Vireo better than other contenders. Red-eyed really never
shows that much yellow on the underparts, and I think the overall length
and bill size too short for what I would expect for a Red-eyed. Looks like
a bright alternate-plumage Philadelphia Vireo to me. |
Larry T. |
30 Jul 2007 |
Acc |
Nice photo of what
looks like a pretty bright spring philadelphia Vireo. The crown contrasts
with the nape.Bright yellow throat and dark eyeline. |
2nd round: |
22 Aug 2007 |
Acc |
|
David W. |
17 Jul 2007 |
No, ID |
Mr. Avery did a fine job of eliminating Tennessee warbler and Warbling
vireo, the usual suspects, as possibilities. His photo
was outstanding. I was, however, disappointed by his decision not to
consider the Red-eyed vireo in the Similar Species section. After all, the
song was like a Red-eyed, the bill seems a bit too long for a Philadelphia
(though shorter than I would expect for a Red-eyed), and the black eyebrow
is very distinct as in a Red-eyed.
Could we be dealing with a hybrid of some sort?
I've changed my vote to NO in hopes of sending this record to the second
round for further discussion. |
2nd round: |
5 Sep 2007 |
Acc |
Thank you to the
rest of the Committee for indulging my desire to discuss this record. I
have not seen any photos/illustrations of Philadelphia vireos showing such
a prominent moustachial stripe, so I was puzzled. Clearly, though,
everything else about this bird points to Philadelphia vireo, and I cannot
see any other possibility. |
2007-10 Dickcissel
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
7 Jun 2007 |
Acc |
another excellent
spring record and a nice photograph. |
Kristin P. |
18 Jul 2007 |
Acc |
|
Ronald R. |
26 Jul 2007 |
Acc |
Good photo and
description. |
Terry S. |
15 Jun 2007 |
Acc |
Convincing Photo and
description |
Mark S. |
30 Jun 2007 |
Acc |
Even the female in
this species is distinctive. Good photo. |
Larry T. |
30 Jul 2007 |
Acc |
Great photo. |
David W. |
30 May 2007 |
Acc |
Nice photo. It is unfortunate, but not more, that the crown is not
visible. |
2007-11 Black-billed Cuckoo
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
7 Jun 2007 |
No, ID |
I believe this
sighting was too brief to support a Black-billed Cuckoo. It is unfortunate
that Tim was unable to get better looks at this cuckoo. I don't think a "2
second" flyby is enough to definitively distinguish Yellow- and
Black-billed Cuckoos. Many times in the midwest, I have had a quick
glimpse at a flying cuckoo(including two this May) that I thought was a
Black-billed because I didn't notice the rufous in the wings, only to find
the perched bird and confirm it was a Yellow-billed. And I'm not sure it's
possible in a two second look at a flying bird, to distinguish tail
pattern, and whether the belly was snow white or creamy white. Also timing
is right on early stages for YB Cuckoos to be passing through so. Utah,
and I believe most BB Cuckoo sightings in the west are later in June. |
Kristin P. |
23 Jul 2007 |
No, ID |
The shortness of
this observation concerned me and caused doubt when combined with the
greater likelihood of the Yellow-billed Cuckoo, the need to see the
species longer to see it well and the observer's limited experience with
the Black-billed. |
Ronald R. |
26 Jul 2007 |
No, ID |
Unfortunately,
without the two most distinctive field marks not being observed (bill
color, tail spotting pattern), it is difficult
to accept this record. |
Terry S. |
15 Jun 2007 |
No, ID |
I don't think the
brief observation can support with any certainty that this was a
Black-billed Cuckoo. A photo along with a
better chance for more detailed observation is needed to accept a record
such as this. |
Mark S. |
30 Jun 2007 |
No, ID |
While this is a
tantalizing sighting, and I'm sure it was frustrating to not see it
better, or to not have been able to find it
again, I don't think there's enough to go on here for such a rare
sighting. The colors could be poorly represented in morning light, and the
brief nature of the sighting would make it hard to know for sure. The most
definitive field mark - the tail pattern - was not seen at all. While
suggestive, I'm not sure it's enough to be positive on the i.d. |
Larry T. |
30 Jul 2007 |
No, ID |
A 2 second in flight
view could make it very difficult to see the wings well. The bird sounds
like it was a Cuckoo but to be sure it wasn't a Yellow-billed I would want
a better look at it. |
David W. |
30 May 2007 |
No, ID |
Though I think it likely the observer saw a Black-billed cuckoo, I am
troubled by the brief view. The only real field mark relied upon to
eliminate a Black-billed is the color of the flight feathers, and I worry
that the glimpse obtained by Mr. Avery may not have been adequate to
preclude that species. |
2007-12 Northern Parula
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
7 Jun 2007 |
Acc |
|
Kristin P. |
27 Jul 2007 |
Acc |
|
Ronald R. |
26 Jul 2007 |
Acc |
Adequate photos and
good description. |
Terry S. |
28 May 2007 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
30 Jun 2007 |
Acc |
Good description,
which helps eliminate Tropical Parula, something I can't do for sure from
the photos, although the wing bars seem a bit too prominent, and the upper
breast color too orange. |
Larry T. |
30 Jul 2007 |
Acc |
|
David W. |
30 May 2007 |
Acc |
Putting aside the dubious comment about the uniqueness of the bill
pattern, the description is convincing. The photos are helpful. |
2007-13 White-rumped Sandpiper
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
7 Jun 2007 |
Acc |
Great record! |
Kristin P. |
29 Jul 2007 |
Acc |
|
Ronald R. |
26 Jul 2007 |
Acc |
Good detailed
description and convincing photos. |
Terry S. |
15 Jun 2007 |
Acc |
Excellent write-up
and convincing photo |
Mark S. |
30 Jun 2007 |
Acc |
Guess I'd better
vote for my own record. |
Larry T. |
1 Aug 2007 |
Acc |
|
David W. |
8 Jun 2007 |
Acc |
As Mark noted, at first I was reluctant to agree to his identification
(just on principle) because I did not have a field guide
handy and had confounded my memory of a Sharp-tailed sandpiper with that
of a White-rumped. Thus I was looking for a much brighter bird than we
saw. But even before the white rump cinched the case, the pattern of
breast striping had eliminated the Baird's. When I got back to the field
guide in the car, everything else fell into place as well--the rufous
wash to crown & cheek, eyebrow, back/wing color, streaks & chevrons on
flanks.
I apologize for the poor quality of my photos. However, if the Committee
buys me a stabilized 700 mm lens, I promise to do better next time.
Really. |
2007-14 Eastern Meadowlark
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
4 Aug 2007 |
No, ID |
Distinguishing the
meadowlarks is very difficult. I'm concerned that the definitive
characteristics to distinguish Eastern from
Western Meadowlarks were not observed (call note and white of outer tail
feathers - 2 vs. 3+ feathers). The pale southwest subspecies, lilianae, is
the most likely Eastern Meadowlark candidate, particularly in the summer.
However, this bird is very dark overall, and similar to a Western
Meadowlark. The primary characteristics the observer is basing the id on
is the apparent lack of yellow in the malar and streaking on the sides. I
don t think either of these features (visible in the photo)
are out of the range of variation for a Western Meadowlark; many W.
Meadowlark females have very little yellow showing on the malar region,
and the streaking /spotting on the sides is highly variable (in fact the
streaking appears too heavy and dark for a Lilian s meadowlark). Another
reason I don t think this is an Eastern Meadowlark is the dark cheek
visible in the photo. A summer breeding Eastern Meadowlark should show
clean white cheeks, bold dark post-ocular stripes, a sharply
contrasting white supercilium, and bold dark crown stripes (rather than
brownish, mottled postocular and crown stripes visible in the photo). With
all that said, I think this is a great record and I'd like to see some
discussion on this one. |
2nd round |
16 Sep 2007 |
No, ID |
In addition to the
concerns expressed about the lack of vocalizations, I really believe the
dark cheek area of this bird is
consistent with a Western Meadowlark. Particularly during the summer, an
Eastern Meadowlark should have clean white cheeks and a much more strongly
contrasting face pattern. |
Kristin P. |
29 Jul 2007 |
No, ID |
A first-state record
of this species needs validation of the voice. The photo is excellent and
displays the important plumage
characters, however, every reference I checked (Nat'l Geo 2d. ed., Sibley
2000, Kaufmann 1996, Cornell's BNA species account and Pyle 1997) state
words to the effect that the Eastern and Western Meadowlarks are best
distinguished by voice. Most convincing is this statement in Pyle: "From
Western Meadowlark with caution; this is one of the most difficult
in-hand species identification problems." If banders have great difficulty
distinguishing the two species when they're holding one of them, I don't
think it's appropriate to accept this record without at least a written
description of the voice. Unfortunately, of course, the bird didn't call
or sing. |
2nd round |
26 Aug 2007 |
No, ID |
This species is at a
disadvantage due to the challenge of identifying it visually. To fulfill
what seems to be the committee's
preference for physical evidence with a first state record of this nature,
we need a voice recording. Even a careful written description of
distinctive call notes or song would go a long way toward distinguishing
between like species that are best identified by voice. Birders who carry
digital cameras continue to make records committee work easier, but the
percentage of birders who carry audio recording equipment, such as a video
camera, is small. The need for voice validation puts certain
species and record submittals at a disadvantage, but I don t know a way
around the problem. |
Ronald R. |
26 Jul 2007 |
Acc |
This is a tough one
even with the photo. I feel the clean white malar stripe, long streaks on
the flanks, and somewhat bold face pattern (although not outside range of
variability of western) indicate an eastern meadowlark. The observation of
extensive white in the tail also helps, although the observation was not
totally convincing. I certainly would entertain additional discussion of
this record. |
2nd round |
17 Sep 2007 |
No, ID |
I appreciate the
depth of the review by others for this record. I am changing my vote based
on the lack of important evidence, primarily the tail pattern (although it
was briefly observed and described, but not convincingly) and lack of
vocalization. |
Terry S. |
11 Jul 2007 |
No, ID |
This is a difficult
Bird to evaluate. The photo sure looks like an Eastern Meadowlark. I would
expect, however, that an Eastern Meadowlark seen in this area would be the
Lilian's which to me would be paler and not with such bold markings and
look more like a Western. Most reviews I have read suggest that
vocalization of the call should be utilized in separating the species
where they overlap. I am voting not to accept but could readily change my
vote after further discussion. |
2nd round |
17 Sep 2007 |
No, ID |
I still don't think
this record is acceptable without the vocalization |
Mark S. |
30 Jun 2007 |
No, ID |
I guess I'll go out
on a limb here, because I'd like to see some discussion on this record.
Though the recordis well documented, and with a good photo, the lack of
any vocalizations makes it difficult to be sure on the i.d. of this bird
for a first state record. I'm not sure that any of the visual field marks
are reliable enough, and after looking at dozens of photos of both EAME
and WEME, am even more doubtful. Although the white on the malar, and the
flank streaking may suggest EAME, the darkness of the cheeks, the paleness
of the scapulars, tertials and the rectrices visible in the photo are more
consistant with WEME. I personally would like to see a more definitive
record for a state-first of this species, but look forward to the
discussion with an open mind. |
2nd round |
26 Aug 2007 |
No, ID |
I can't be confident
about this i.d. without a vocalization. |
Larry T. |
22 Aug 2007 |
No, ID |
The photo looks like
it could be an Eastern Meadowlark. But for a first state record of this
species I would like to have a vocal bird. |
2nd round |
30 Sep 2007 |
No, ID |
|
David W. |
16 Jul 2007 |
No, ID |
Let me just say before I continue further that I applaud Mr. Avery for
submitting record of a species so difficult to ID. I wish
more birders had his courage.
Second, I voted NO because the record had one conflicting field mark and
others which were not addressed. I think there is much about this bird
which suggests an Eastern meadowlark (in fact more than a Western), but
not quite enough to be certain.
Here are some field marks I consider to be important:
1) Extent of white on the outer rectrices: dealt with only briefly,and not
visible in the photo. The Lilian's race/species has almost no dark
patterning on the outermost four rectrices, while the other two have more
(amount varies depending on the subspecies).
2) Amount of yellow in malar stripe and in cheek: None--a strong argument
for an Eastern or Lilian's, especially in the breeding season (apparently
the only season when this field mark is reliable). It should be noted that
females have less yellow than males in the throat/side of face. Still, I
consider this to be the best field mark presented in the record for
supporting Eastern/Lilian's.
3) The color of the greater coverts: seems rather buff-toned, though not
strongly. This suggests Eastern, as the Western should be more gray
(though the photo is not entirely satisfactory due to angle of light).
This field mark seems to vary in illustrations from field guide to field
guide. Lilian's is intermediate between E & W.
4) Color of flanks and undertail coverts: White rather than buffy. This
suggests, Western meadowlark (according to Jaramillo & Burke's "New World
Blackbirds"). Lilian's has "pale creamy-buff" flanks, with a brown spot at
the tip of each feather.
5) Barring on top of tail (R1): Not visible. Eastern should have the
parallel bars merge along shaft, while Western's are separate. Lilian's
are intermediate.
6) Voice, the most obvious differentiating field mark, was not noted by
the observer.
Again, I think this bird appears more like an Eastern meadowlark than a
Western in most respects. However, I don't feel comfortable voting to
accept such a subtle species without also seeing better photos/
description of the white in rectrices R3-6 and the barring pattern on R1,
or a description of the voice, either a song or call. That being said, I
think all of us will keep a sharper eye out for Eastern meadowlarks from
now on thanks to Tim's heads-up.
I noted that in his submission, Mr. Avery said he would send in "another
picture". Has he? If so, I would like to see it. If not, I would like to
have the secretary encourage him to do so. It could be important to our
analyses and votes. |
2nd round |
16 Sep 2007 |
No, ID |
|
2007-15 Chestnut-sided Warbler
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
4 Aug 2007 |
Acc |
A very limited
description, but adequate photos. |
Kristin P. |
29 Jul 2007 |
Acc |
|
Ronald R. |
26 Jul 2007 |
Acc |
Adequate photos. |
Terry S. |
7 Jul 2007 |
Acc |
Good photo |
Mark S. |
5 Jul 2007 |
Acc |
Scant record, but
nice photos of an unmistakeable bird. |
Larry T. |
1 Aug 2007 |
Acc |
|
David W. |
6 Jul 2007 |
Acc |
Another one of those records relying exclusively on photos. But, until we
decide as a group on an official policy, I am going todefer to the fine
photos. |
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