2006-31 Great Gray Owl
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
25 Sep 2006 |
Acc |
I think this is an
exceptional record and I like the idea that this Great Gray Owl irruption
event was finally documented almost 60 years after the event. I think we
should look up the old newspaper files, as suggested, and get the
approximate locations of the Owls observed during this event. |
2nd round |
7 Dec 2006 |
No, ID |
Anyone in the Salt Lake area up for checking the Deseret News archives for
this story and photos? If not, there clearly isn't
enough documentation in the record itself. I very much appreciate the
observer taking time to document this record. |
Ronald R. |
23 Oct 2006 |
No, ID |
While the owl
observed was likely a Great Gray, the description is not sufficient to
rule out great horned owl. |
2nd round |
5 Dec 2006 |
No, ID |
My comments still apply. |
Terry S. |
22 Sep 2006 |
No, ID |
While I appreciate
the observer wanting to submit an old sighting of a notable species I
think this record is too old to consider. There really is no discription
given and memory of a sighting over 50 years ago is difficult to consider. |
2nd round |
7 Dec 2006 |
No, ID |
As per my first round comments |
Mark S. |
20 Nov 2006 |
No, ID |
Interesting record,
and I really don't doubt its veracity, but the details are too sketchy and
the record too old for me to accept based upon the data. It would be an
interesting data-point to check what the news reports of the day were. |
2nd round |
9 Dec 2006 |
No, ID |
I, too, would like to thank Steve for submitting this very interesting
record, even if it falls out of the realm of acceptable
records for this committee. |
Larry T. |
30 Sep 2006 |
No, ID |
I would accept this
one if there was any type of description. |
2nd round |
22 Dec 2006 |
No, ID |
As before. |
Merrill W. |
29 Sep 2006 |
No, ID |
I respect Steve Carr
as a very good observer, but, the description is so inadequate that
I can't really accept this record as an authentic Gt. Gray Owl.
Sorry. |
2nd round |
7 Dec 2006 |
No, ID |
Staying with my first comments. |
David W. |
23 Aug 2006 |
No, ID |
I found this very interesting historically, but there isn't
much to vote on so far as field marks. |
2nd round |
26 Nov 2006 |
No, ID |
|
2006-32 Chestnut-sided Warbler
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
25 Sep 2006 |
Acc |
Brief, but nice
complete record of a first-fall Chestnut-sided Warbler |
Ronald R. |
30 Nov 2006 |
Acc |
Good description and
helpful photo (although face is not visible to show eye-ring). |
Terry S. |
6 Sep 2006 |
Acc |
Accept |
Mark S. |
20 Nov 2006 |
Acc |
The description,
photo and behavior all support this identification. |
Larry T. |
30 Sep 2006 |
Acc |
|
Merrill W. |
29 Sep 2006 |
Acc |
Very good
description and sufficient information eliminating other species that
might be confused with the species. Photo was nice, but verbal
description was the clincher for me. |
David W. |
6 Sep 2006 |
Acc |
|
2006-33 Pacific Golden-Plover
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
11 Nov 2006 |
Acc |
Simply an
outstanding record. Excellent write-ups and definitive photographs. |
Ronald R. |
30 Nov 2006 |
Acc |
Well documented,
including excellent photos. All important field marks well documented. |
Terry S. |
2 Oct 2006 |
Acc |
What a well
documented bird! The Photos submitted are excellent. Great effort in
eliminating American Golden-Plover as a
possibility even though the review bird has worn plumage making
identification difficult. |
Mark S. |
20 Nov 2006 |
Acc |
A very
well-documented record. The identification was supported by many experts
around the country on ID Frontiers without dissent. |
Larry T. |
30 Sep 2006 |
Acc |
Great bird. |
Merrill W. |
29 Sep 2006 |
Acc |
Photos are pretty
conclusive. Great dialogue between observers on this one.
Pretty convincing evidence for this species. |
David W. |
7 Sep 2006 |
Acc |
This has been one of the most discussed birdnet birds in recent months,
with many people weighing in as to why the bird is or isn't a Pacific
golden-plover. During these discussions, others have pointed out other
significant field marks about this bird suggesting Pacific plover,
including the fact that its primaries are in mid-molt, its legs stick out
behind the tail in flight, and the overall shape/posture of the bird.
Paul Higgins' photos are absolutely amazing! Much of the internet
discussion on this bird would not have been possible without them. |
2006-34 White-rumped Sandpiper
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
11 Nov 2006 |
Acc |
Description is
somewhat sparse, but adequate. |
2nd round |
7 Dec 2006 |
Acc |
I think Terry brings up some good points, but the characteristics
described do not fit well with any other species. The only other shorebird
species with a white rump are: Wilson's Phalarope, the yellowlegs, Willet,
and Curlew and Stilt Sandpipers. |
Ronald R. |
30 Nov 2006 |
Acc |
Well described,
eliminates other species. Long, careful observation. |
2nd round |
10 Dec 2006 |
Acc |
I am voting to again accept this record given the characteristics
presented. I appreciate Terry's comments, but I don't feel the pattern of
records rules out the possibility of a juvenile in late August in Utah
unless juveniles are unable to sustain long flights in mid to late August.
The smattering of adult records in the interior west in July and August
indicate that some individuals don't follow the eastward migration
pattern. One wonders if they started their unusual migration pattern as
juveniles. |
Terry S. |
3 Oct 2006 |
No, ID |
I have concerns
about this record. First, the sighting is suspect from the reported date
the bird was seen. White-rumped Sandpipers are late fall migrants and
Juveniles even more so. Aug. 23 sounds too early. Also, migration route of
White-rumped Sandpipers is through the Atlantic route. Are there any
records of Juveniles in Western U.S.?
Some of the description raises concern. The nape is described as grizzled,
rusty brown. I believe Juveniles should show more of a finely streaked
grayish color through the nape contasting with a dark streaked rusty cap.
the breast and upper flanks should also be a finely streaked gray tone.
The completely white rump is perplexing since only a few sandpipers of
this size shoe this characteristic |
2nd round |
9 Dec 2006 |
No, ID |
I still have concern with this record. O'Brien, Crossley and Karlson The
Shorebird Guide 2006; Alderfer Complete Birds of North America: and Hayman,
Marchant, and Prater Shorebirds 1986 all mention the late migration of
juveniles, rarely recorded South of Canada before mid September. Also the
fall Migration follows a far Eastern route through the Atlantic Coast. I
agree the description of the bird favors a juvenile White-rumped Sandpiper
but the probability that a juvenile would
show up in Utah on Aug. 23 seems very low. I realize that we have had even
less probable sightings but just wanted to raise my concerns with this
sighting again. One reference cites that Juveniles have yet to be
documented in the western states, so if this is in fact a valid
sighting it is truly remarkable and noteworthy. |
Mark S. |
20 Nov 2006 |
Acc |
Excellent
description of a well-observed bird eliminates other likely species. All
of the definitive field marks were described. |
2nd round |
9 Dec 2006 |
Acc |
I appreciate David's thorough analysis, and concur that I can't think of
what else would fit this description. |
Larry T. |
2 Oct 2006 |
Acc |
Good description. |
2nd round |
2 Jan 2007 |
No, ID |
It would have been great to have a photo of this bird. From the info I've
found this would be the first record of a HY bird in the western lower 48
ever anytime in fall! The east coast rarely sees them before mid Sept.I
was told by experts that it was either a molting adult or a misidentified
bird. And from the description it's hard to make it anything but a HY
bird.It's certainly possible for a HY bird to show up but like Jon Dunn
said lets see some solid phsyical evedence first.Could it have been a HY
Stilt or Curlew Sandpiper? With the length of time of the observation it
hard to think they could have blown the ID. But I guess it is possible
without any experiance with this bird.
I guess with the distribution of HY White-rumped Sandpipers and the
observers lack of experiance with the species I will have to switch my
vote on this one.
Thank's Terry for making me look at this one closer. |
Merrill W. |
29 Sep 2006 |
Acc |
Good description,
plus adequate details on eliminating other sandpipers. |
2nd round |
7 Dec 2006 |
Acc |
I still feel that the description is adequate enough to accept this.
The observers had plenty of time to observe all the field marks which they
have reported sufficiently well enough to accept. |
David W. |
8 Sep 2006 |
Acc |
Nice description. |
2nd round |
8 Dec 2006 |
Acc |
According to Cornell's "Birds of North America Online", the fall migration
for the species begins in mid June, just barely after the spring migration
ends, and runs through mid October (since they fly all the way to
Patagonia, eventually). Terry is correct in noting that the southward
migration is generally well to the east of us, but then this is a rarity.
As for the nape, Cornell's site describes the upperparts on a juvenile as
follows: "Scapulars, tertials, and mantle feathers black with rounded
tips, narrow pale cinnamon fringe at sides and narrow white fringe at
tips, appearing scaled; upper tail coverts uniform white (Cramp and
Simmons, 1983). Crown streaked sepia, feathers edged tawny; nape ash brown
streaked darker." This is not a perfect match, but not out of the question
either.
I guess my observation is that the description eliminates any other
possibilities. If not this species, then which? |
2006-35 Eastern Phoebe
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
11 Nov 2006 |
Acc |
Good description. |
Ronald R. |
30 Nov 2006 |
Acc |
Very well described
observation. Eliminates other species. |
Terry S. |
28 Sep 2006 |
Acc |
Excellent
description and careful analysis eliminating similar species. |
Mark S. |
20 Nov 2006 |
Acc |
Excellent
description and analysis - appearance and behavior support this i.d. |
Larry T. |
2 Oct 2006 |
Acc |
Complete description
of a fall Eastern Phoebe. |
Merrill W. |
14 Nov 2006 |
Acc |
Yellowish belly and
all dark bill help. However, I would have liked a comment on tail
movement. None mentioned. |
David W. |
7 Sep 2006 |
Acc |
Accept |
2006-36 Mourning Warbler
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
11 Nov 2006 |
No, ID |
This is a difficult
record. The description is rather sparse, and I'd like to have seen more
on size and stucture of bill, wings, tail length, undertail coverts etc.,
to help rule out a Common Yellowthroat. First-fall birds of these species
can be difficult to distinguish, so I'd like to see some discussion on
this one. As an aside, I've found that the call notes of these species are
quite different, and both are relatively easy to provoke calling, if you
can't get clear, definitive views. |
Ronald R. |
30 Nov 2006 |
No, ID |
While the
description is fairly complete, I am not sure it rules out a bright
juvenile orange-crowned warbler. I would like to see this difficult ID
this go a second round. |
Terry S. |
3 Oct 2006 |
No, ID |
Immature female
Mourning Warblers are difficult to itentify. The rather sparse description
leaves out a lot of information
especially tail length,extension of undertail coverts etc. With broad
variability in eye arc thickness and the amount of yellow in the breast
and under parts it is difficult to rule out MacGillivray's or Common
Yellowthroat without a specimen or excellent photographs. |
Mark S. |
20 Nov 2006 |
No, ID |
I'd like to see this
difficult i.d. get some discussion. It's too bad that we don't have
information on the length of the undertail
coverts or the bill color. I'm not sure that Common Yellowthroat can be
safely eliminated from this description. |
Larry T. |
2 Oct 2006 |
No, ID |
I don't feel
comfortable accepting this species in this plumage by a single observer
without a lot of experience with both birds in immature fall plumage or
great pics. There is just to much overlap in the field marks. This
description sounds like it could easily be of a Mac. There isn't any
description of the tail length and no call notes were heard either. |
Merrill W. |
29 Sep 2006 |
No, ID |
This is a hard one
for me. I feel that the observer hasn't adequately eliminated the
possibility of MacGillivray's or even the Connecticut Warbler based on the
description submitted. So, I remain unconvinced. |
David W. |
7 Sep 2006 |
No, ID |
I am not entirely convinced by this record and would like to see it go to
the second round. I am especially troubled by the pale eyebrow stripe,
which, to my knowledge, is wrong for a Mourning warbler in any plumage.
I do not think the observer adequately eliminated the possibility of some
other warbler, like perhaps an immature female Hooded warbler or an
especially yellow-bellied Yellowthroat (which are more common in the
southwest of that species' range). Both these species can have what might
be described as a pale eyebrow stripe, while being similar to the
description provided in this record. Or perhaps an especially
yellow-bellied 1st-year orange-crowned?
Without a quantified description of the broken eyering / eye crescents,
that field mark is less definitive, and, according to Curson, et al
(1994), immature MacGillivray's do occasionally have a yellow wash to the
throat (though this doesn't help with the eyebrow problem).
As I said, I would like to see this record discussed some more, especially
since a Mourning warbler has not definitevely been recorded in Utah
before, and it sounds like this bird was secretive and stayed mostly
hidden. |
2006-37 Magnolia Warbler
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
11 Nov 2006 |
Acc |
Nice record, tail
description is characteristic. |
Ronald R. |
30 Nov 2006 |
Acc |
Adequate description
to rule out other species. Described tail pattern is distinctive. Observer
failed to note white undertail
coverts. |
Terry S. |
11 Oct 2006 |
Acc |
While the
description of the bird is lacking a lot of detail, the observer has
experience with the species and described the very destinctive tail
pattern of this species |
Mark S. |
21 Nov 2006 |
Acc |
I'm a little
hesitant to accept this on the first round as I'm not sure that the
observer is entirely familiar with our western
warblers (although obviously he knows the eastern species quite well) and
I'm puzzled as to why Yellow-rumped Warbler wasn't considered among the
similar species. I would think that that would be one of the most likely
alternatives. However, the undertail pattern is quite distinctive in
Magnolia Warbler, a fits the description given. |
Larry T. |
2 Oct 2006 |
Acc |
The description is
lacking a few things. But the tail is distinct and the observer seems to
have a lot of experience with this
bird. |
Merrill W. |
29 Sep 2006 |
Acc |
Adequate details and
convincing argument eliminating other possible warblers. |
David W. |
12 Sep 2006 |
Acc |
Convincing description of a fairly distinctive bird. |
2006-38 Blackpoll Warbler
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
11 Nov 2006 |
Acc |
Nice job separating
the very similar fall Bay-breasted and Pine Warblers. Leg color would also
have helped, however description of back and side streaking are correct
for Blackpoll. |
2nd round |
7 Dec 1006 |
Acc |
Although leg color would have been a key additional detail, I think the
description is adequate for a Blackpoll Warbler. |
Ronald R. |
30 Nov 2006 |
Acc |
Adequate description
of a difficult ID. Observation of white undertail coverts would have been
helpful, but not fully necessary. Leg color not particularly useful with
first fall birds. |
2nd round |
10 Dec 1006 |
Acc |
I will stick with my original vote as I feel the description is
sufficient. Mark brings up some good points, but my experience with
blackpoll warblers from the east and yellow-rumped in the west suggests
little difficulty in making this differentiation with a view as good as
described. |
Terry S. |
28 Sep 2006 |
Acc |
Good description
from observer familiar with the species |
2nd round |
9 Dec 1006 |
Acc |
I still believe the observer did a good job of eliminating other species. |
Mark S. |
21 Nov 2006 |
No, ID |
I'm "splitting" my
vote with record 2006-37 because I would like to see some discussion on
this one. I'm concerned about the lighting conditions, the brevity of the
view, and the observer's familiarity with western warblers. It's obvious
that he's well practiced in the eastern warblers, but the fact that none
of the western forms, such as Audubon's (which could be an issue here)
were considered suggests to me that not all of the realistic options in
this part of the country were seriously analysed. Even a dull, first fall
Townsend's could be confusing for this species with such a brief look in
questionable light. |
2nd round |
9 Dec 1006 |
No, ID |
I think this record will pass, and probably rightly so, but I'd like to
maintain a vote of dissent based upon the brevity of the
view, questionable lighting, and unfamiliarity with our western warblers.
I've seen far too many experienced birders from the east look at a dull
fall Audubon's and express disbelief that it could be a Yellow-rumped to
be comfortable with an analysis that doesn't even consider it as a
possibility. |
Larry T. |
15 Oct 2006 |
Acc |
Good Description to
eliminate similar species |
2nd round |
2 Jan 2007 |
Acc |
I agree it would be hard to misidentify a Blackpoll with anything other
than Bay-breasted or Pine with a decent look if your
experianced with the bird. |
Merrill W. |
29 Sep 2006 |
Acc |
Adequately (at least
for me) eliminated the Bay-breasted and Pine Warblers. I wouldn't
mind having a "fine-tuned" ability in identifying fall warblers. |
2nd round |
7 Dec 1006 |
Acc |
I still feel that the observer did a sufficient enough job in eliminating
other species with which this bird might have been confused. So I
will stay with my original vote to accept. |
David W. |
12 Sep 2006 |
Acc |
Nice job eliminating similar species, though it might have been better had
the observer also dealt with Townsend's warbler [but perhaps I might not
feel that way if I knew what "Baypoll" look to the face means for sure
(presumably Bay-breasted/Blackpoll--a term I'm guessing comes from places
where the two species are common). |
2nd round |
8 Dec 1006 |
Acc |
Mark raises some good points. I also had a bit of angst about the newness
of the observer to our area, with such good fortune. But the description
sounds good. |
2006-39 Northern Parula
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
11 Nov 2006 |
Acc |
Very limited
description, but adequate for a Northern Parula. However no mention of
bill color or tail pattern, etc. |
Ronald R. |
30 Nov 2006 |
Acc |
Good description.
Sufficient to rule out other species. |
Terry S. |
17 Oct 2006 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
21 Nov 2006 |
Acc |
Good description of
a well-seen bird. |
Larry T. |
15 Oct 2006 |
Acc |
Good description. |
Merrill W. |
29 Sep 2006 |
Acc |
Adequately described
all the definitive field marks. |
David W. |
22 Sep 2006 |
Acc |
Wingbars, eye-crescents, back color, breast & belly color -- that
combinations of field marks sounds very convincing to me. |
2006-40 Broad-winged Hawk
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
11 Nov 2006 |
Acc |
sparse, but nice
description. |
Ronald R. |
30 Nov 2006 |
Acc |
Adequate description
of a lightly marked light juvenile. Description sufficient to rule out
red-shouldered hawk and other species. |
Terry S. |
12 Oct 2006 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
21 Nov 2006 |
Acc |
Good description
adequately eliminates similar species. |
Larry T. |
15 Oct 2006 |
Acc |
Accept |
Merrill W. |
29 Sep 2006 |
Acc |
Adequate description
eliminating any other possible raptor species. |
David W. |
29 Sep 2006 |
Acc |
|
2006-41 Heermann's Gull
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
11 Nov 2006 |
No, Nat |
I was about to vote
yes on this one, but then I started thinking about the recent Painted
Bunting record and decided that I couldn't be sure this Heermann's Gull
didn't escape from one of the rapidly expanding developments nearby. Of
course I've never met anyone with a Heermann's Gull, but then again, I've
never met anyone with a Painted Bunting either. |
2nd round |
7 Dec 2006 |
Acc |
Yes, my first round comments were a joke, albeit a pointed one. Obviously
there is a much greater chance that a Painted Bunting may be an escapee
than a Heermann's Gull, however I think it's easy for the committee to
fall into a pattern of voting against accepting records of some species
simply because they MAY be introduced (or a hybrid), even if the timing is
correct for a natural vagrant and nothing in the submitted documentation
suggests an escapee (or a hybrid). And Merrill, of course I chose to try
and make this point on a record that I submitted. Can you imagine the
scale of my "audacity" and your
reaction, if I did this on a record by another observer? |
Ronald R. |
30 Nov 2006 |
Acc |
Adequate description
and photos of this distinctive species. |
2nd round |
10 Dec 2006 |
Acc |
My assessment from the first round still applies. Good point by Rick, but
unfortunately I (like Mark) have seen a number of these in cages at the
market in Mexico (even in border towns). |
Terry S. |
12 Oct 2006 |
Acc |
Photos are
convincing. |
2nd round |
7 Dec 2006 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
21 Nov 2006 |
Acc |
An unmistakable
species well-described and photographed. |
2nd round |
9 Dec 2006 |
Acc |
Although I appreciate Rick's skepticism ;-), I have to admit that even
here in Mexico, where they love their birds so much that many people
insist on having them in cages, I've never seen someone with a gull in a
cage. But if they did, Heermann's would be a good choice, being more
colorful than most. For the record, Painted Buntings are commonly kept,
and I've even seen them for sale on street corners here. |
Larry T. |
15 Oct 2006 |
Acc |
Pics clinch
this one. |
2nd round |
24 Jan 2007 |
Acc |
|
Merrill W. |
29 Sep 2006 |
Acc |
Nice photos.
Pretty definitive. |
2nd round |
7 Dec 2006 |
Acc |
Let me see if I understand this. Mr. Fridell submits this record as
a Heerman's Gull and then has the audacity to vote against his own
description and photo because he thinks it might be an escapee.
Sure!!! Be that way. At least we as a committee are the only ones
that get to observe such obstinance. Right? Wrong. Okay,
then, I still vote to accept it in spite of what the observer says. |
David W. |
28 Sep 2006 |
Acc |
A great record. |
2nd round |
1 Dec 2006 |
Acc |
Joking, surely, Mr. Fridell. At least it made me laugh to think of a pet
gull, even one as beautiful as this species. Perhaps
they are kept for their lovely, canary-like song? ;o) |
2006-42 Vaux's Swift
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
11 Nov 2006 |
Acc |
|
Ronald R. |
30 Nov 2006 |
Acc |
This is a difficult
ID as chimney swift is very similar. Calls are most distinctive difference
which were not heard. The noticeably pale rump is probably the most
distinguishing mark and I am basing my acceptance on this field mark. |
Terry S. |
12 Oct 2006 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
21 Nov 2006 |
Acc |
Amazing to get a
swift record with photographs! I'm given the impession by the first photo
that these might be Chimney Swifts, because of the long, thin wings, but a
pale rump, as noted be the observer is a better mark for Vaux's. |
Larry T. |
15 Oct 2006 |
Acc |
This is a bird that
photos aren't very useful to separate similar species. But in the field
they aren't that difficult with good views. |
Merrill W. |
29 Sep 2006 |
Acc |
Amazing photos.
Adequate description. |
David W. |
29 Sep 2006 |
Acc |
I'm impressed the observer was able to get anything but blurry streaks in
the photos! Nice work on differentiating between the -oh-so-similar
Chimney swift. |
2006-43 Vaux's Swift
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
8 Dec 2006 |
Acc |
|
Ronald R. |
30 Nov 2006 |
Acc |
I would combine this
record with 2006-42 as it was likely the same birds. The photos are a bit
better and appear to show the paler rump of the Vaux's Swift. |
Terry S. |
12 Oct 2006 |
Acc |
May well be the same
birds as Record # 2006-42 |
Mark S. |
21 Nov 2006 |
Acc |
Nice record - the
photos on this record look more classically Vaux's shaped. |
Larry T. |
23 Oct 2006 |
Acc |
|
Merrill W. |
29 Sep 2006 |
Acc |
Even more amazing
photos. |
David W. |
29 Sep 2006 |
Acc |
These photos are even more impressive than those in the previous record. |
2006-44(R81) Baltimore Oriole
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
17 Dec 2006 |
No, ID |
I believe this
description is too brief to adequately eliminate other oriole speices, or
a Baltimore X Bullocks. |
2nd round |
18 Feb 2007 |
No, ID |
The description is too vague to eliminate other oriole species. |
3rd round |
131Mar 2007 |
No, ID |
description is too limited to adequately describe a Baltimore Oriole. |
Ronald R. |
5 Dec 2006 |
Acc |
The combination of
black head and bill and bright orange underparts for an oriole shaped bird
is distinctive as an adult male
Balitmore oriole. Bright orange would eliminate orchard oriole.
Observation of wing pattern also noted and consistent with Baltimore
oriole. While the description was brief, I feel the documentation is
sufficient. Other June records in Utah are consistent with this
observation. |
2nd round |
22 Dec 1006 |
No, ID |
I am changing my vote on this record. While the observer may well have
seen a Baltimore oriole, I agree with Terry and Mark that the observer
does not tell us what the pattern actually was, simply that it was like a
Baltimore oriole. |
3rd round |
30 Jun 2007 |
No, ID |
I will stick with my comments from the previous round. |
Terry S. |
19 Oct 2006 |
No, ID |
Other than the all
black head the observer really doesn't give much description other than
saying it had the characteristics of a Baltimore Oriole without ever
describing those characteristics. With such a brief view I wonder if this
could have been a Scott's Oriole that looked orange in the light. |
2nd round |
20 Dec 1006 |
No, ID |
I still feel the description is wanting for details that would eliminate
other oriole species and,as Mark pointed put, black-headed grosbeak. |
3rd round |
14 Mar 2007 |
No, ID |
I haven't seen any comments from other committee members that changes my
earlier evaluation. |
Mark S. |
21 Nov 2006 |
No, ID |
This is a tough one
for lack of a simple description of the bill shape. The phrase "obviously
an oriole" doesn't tell my why, and nothing elsewhere in the description
eliminates Black-headed Grosbeak. |
2nd round |
25 Jan 2007 |
No, ID |
I'm going to stick with my first round vote because I have a feeling that
the conclussion "obviously an oriole" was based more upon color than
structure, and lacking any description of the structure, I can't assume he
was actually looking at an oriole. I find the wing pattern of Black-headed
Grosbeak to be much more like Baltimore Oriole than Bullock's, especially
as illustrated in field guides of the time, which show Bullock's with a
large white patch, rather than the distinct wing bars of a Baltimore
Oriole, or Black-headed Grosbeak. I also find it interesting that, unless
my memory fails, the orioles were lumped at the time, suggesting that the
observer either had an older field guide, or that he was so careful as to
note subspecies. The scant nature of the description suggests the latter.
Even though the species should be distinctive, I find critical elements of
the description missing, enough to raise too much doubt for such a rare
sighting. |
3rd round |
11 Mar 2007 |
No, ID |
I've come close to changing my vote on this one based only upon the
distinct nature of this species. This is close to an
unmistakable species, and the date and location would not be unusual for a
vagrant like this. However, I'll stay with my original vote, again due to
the incomplete description, including nothing other than color that tells
my why this was an oriole. |
Larry T. |
23 Oct 2006 |
Acc |
Description seems to
eliminate other Orioles. Adult male is very distinct. |
2nd round |
15 Feb 2007 |
Acc |
Though the description is scant in details I think there is enough to go
on for such a distinct species. |
3rd round |
1 Jun 2007 |
Acc |
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Merrill W. |
29 Sep 2006 |
Acc |
I think the
description of the head and the breast, plus mention of the wings identify
this as a Baltimore and not a Bullock's. |
2nd round |
20 Dec 1006 |
Acc |
I still feel the description is adequate enough to eliminate a Scott's
Oriole and / or a Black-headed Grosbeak. |
Kristin P. 3rd round |
2 Jul 2007 |
No, ID |
Description too sparse. Comparing the patterns to another species without
actually describing the wings or tail did not provide enough information
to conclude the observer saw a Baltimore Oriole. Observer described the
bill as black like a Bullock's, but Bullock's Orioles have more bluish on
the lower mandible and some on the upper, rather than having entirely
black bills. Observer did not address the Black-headed Grosbeak or
Bullock's x Baltimore Orioles. Black-headed is
superficially similar and without the necessary detail, I can't assume
this species was not the one observed. The oriole hybrids and backcrosses
could show a range of plumages that would fit within the description
provided. On another note, the AOU did not lump the Baltimore and
Bullock's until 1983, which means the Baltimore was its own species when
this
observation was made (1981). |
David W. |
28 Sep 2006 |
Acc |
I do agree with the observer that a description of the tail would have
been helpful. |
2nd round |
19 Dec 1006 |
Acc |
I appreciate both the reservations made by Mark and those made by Terry. I
also wondered whether a Black-headed grosbeak or a Scott's oriole might
not be confused for this species. Unfortunately, the record is not a
paradigm of completeness, to be sure.
However, I believe the Grosbeak is unlikely to have been confused for a
Baltimore oriole considering the wing pattern was noted and matched to the
Baltimore rather than a Bullocks. Not only does a BH grosbeak's wing
pattern look more like a Bullock's, in my opinion, but anyone who took the
trouble of such a comparison would surely notice the difference between a
Baltimore oriole wing and a grosbeak's.
The Scott's oriole argument is one that I find more difficult to refute,
and I struggled with that as well. But the observer did note the "bright
orange" and "deep orange" color, which is significantly different than a
Scott's oriole's. This one is why the tail pattern would have been so
useful.
As for the hybrid question, I do not think the hybrid swarm for the two
"Northern" orioles is all that big, so, without evidence to the contrary,
I do not think it should be an issue here. A very large number of species
hybridize to some degree with their taxonomic cousins (especially within
superspecies), so either we apply that onerous standard of purity to every
species we review, or, in the absence of hybrid characteristics, just make
a reasoned leap of faith.
Though not pleased with the completeness of the record, I will stick with
my vote to approve it. |
3rd round |
27 Feb 2007 |
Acc |
As above. |
2006-45(R81) Great Gray Owl
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
17 Dec 2006 |
No, ID |
Again, I feel the
description is too brief to adequately eliminate other large owl species |
2nd round |
18 Feb 2007 |
No, ID |
as per first round comments, simply not enough details to eliminate Great
Horned Owl. |
Ronald R. |
5 Dec 2006 |
No, ID |
While this bird may
well have been a great gray owl, the short duration observation of a bird
in flight makes it difficult for me
to feel fully comfortable with the ID. Important field marks were not
mentioned (black and white on "chin", pattern of underparts). In addition,
the horns on a great-horned owl would not be as visible on a flying bird. |
2nd round |
22 Dec 1006 |
No, ID |
My comments from round one still apply. |
Terry S. |
19 Oct 2006 |
No, ID |
There too much
lacking from this record especially basic field marks of this species. |
2nd round |
20 Dec 1006 |
No, ID |
I still believe there is not enough detail provided to accept this record.
The facial disk is not even described. |
Mark S. |
21 Nov 2006 |
No, ID |
I feel like the
details are a bit too sketchy to be certain on this one. Size is so easily
mis-judged, and the gray color could be
a Great Horned Owl. I'd like to see some discussion on this one. |
2nd round |
25 Jan 2007 |
No, ID |
My first round comments apply, and I feel the there's not enough here,
especially for that time of year. |
Larry T. |
23 Oct 2006 |
No, ID |
I assume this bird
was only seen in flight? Could have been a Great Horned with that view
only. Odd time of year. |
2nd round |
28 Jan 2007 |
No, ID |
Just not enough to go on. |
Merrill W. |
19 Oct 2006 |
Acc |
Somewhat sketchy
details, but size of bird, adequate time of observation in flight and
observer competence helped in making the decision to accept. |
2nd round |
20 Dec 1006 |
No, ID |
Changed my vote to not accept based on what appears to be a lack of
details and an adequate enough amount of time to satisfactorily eliminate
other large raptors. |
David W. |
29 Sep 2006 |
Acc |
This is a real marginal record, in my opinion--sparse on details. I almost
voted against this record for lack of field marks (no
description of facial disk, etc.). In the end I voted to accept because of
the reported experience of one of the observers (which would be critical
in differentiating this owl from a Great horned based on relative wing
size & shape).
According to Cornell's web site, unflattened wing chords for the two
species are as follows:
GGO: 370-430 mm (male), 390-455 mm (female)
GHO: 338-376 mm (male), 346-395 mm (female)
So there is some overlap, but the largest Great grays are significantly
longer-winged than the Great horneds.
The area where the bird was seen is the part of Utah closest to the
species' natural range in Idaho/Wyoming. |
2nd round |
19 Dec 1006 |
No, ID |
Although I still feel the observer's experience is significant, I do not
wish to take a stand on this very marginal record. The
Committee's time is important. |
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