2006-15 Red-shouldered Hawk
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
26 May 2006 |
Acc |
Very vague
description, but I guess the 'black-and-white striped wings' is
diagnostic. |
Ronald R. |
16 Jun 2006 |
No, ID |
The description of
the bird is insufficient to determine whether this was a red-shouldered
hawk or not. The similar species account adds some detail missing from the
overall description, but I feel the description is still insufficient for
acceptance. This species is not listed on the review list--why is this
record being reviewed? |
Terry S. |
15 Apr 2006 |
Acc |
The bright red
underparts including underwings along with the the black and white tail
banding all sound good for a Red-shouldered Hawk. |
Mark S. |
12 Apr 2006 |
Acc |
This is a pretty
sparse, but barely adequate, description.
I'm puzzled by why Broad-winged Hawk was not considered among the similar
species. However, I think there's enough in this description to eliminate
it, based upon the wing markings. A Broad-winged Hawk does not have as
prominently reddish wing-linings or as strong black stripes as the
Red-shouldered, and I feel the description better fits Red-shouldered. But
I could be convinced that this was not adequately covered to call the
record into question. |
Larry T. |
5 Jun 2006 |
Acc |
I didn't think we
were reviewing this bird anymore. |
Merrill W. |
12 Apr 2006 |
No, ID |
No mention of size.
No mention of behavior. Description just too sketchy for my liking. |
David W. |
12 Apr 2006 |
Acc |
I think the observer did an ample job eliminating other species,
especially by noting tail pattern, red color, and absence of
"ptagial line" [sic]. HOWEVER, I am dismayed by the sloppy & careless
nature of the submission, including confusingly vague punctuation and
typos. Some of my specific observations are as follows:
#1 Many parts of the bird are described as "bright red". I could
understand a description like "reddish brown", "reddish", or even "bright
rufous" for this species, but "bright red" is a description better fitting
a Cardinal, Summer tanager, or Vermillion flycatcher.
#2 The bird was described as having "tails". Presumably, this is a typo.
#3 The bird was described as having red "under tail". Presumably, he meant
undertail coverts, as the underside of the tail is not red in this
species.
#4 The body was described as being the same color as the body. I have no
idea what the observer meant, and can only hope that the actual intended
comparison was consistent with a Red-shouldered hawk.
#5 I am surprised that the black & white checker pattern on the flight
feathers, an obvious and striking feature of the species, was not noted.
#6 I am disappointed that a Broad-winged hawk was not one of the hawks
addressed under the Similar Species section, as it is rather similar to a
Red-shouldered hawk. However, the striped wings should eliminate that
possibility.
The above points made the acceptance of this species troubling for me,
especially taken as a whole. I do not know or question the observer's
birding skills, but I wonder whether an individual who can't be bothered
to take the time to be more careful with his submission can be fully
trusted to submit an accurate record. |
2006-16 Broad-winged Hawk
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
26 May 2006 |
Acc |
Brief descriptions,
convincing photos |
Ronald R. |
16 Jun 2006 |
Acc |
The description was
very limited, but the photos help to distinguish this species. It seems
this species could be removed from the review list. |
Terry S. |
3 May 2006 |
Acc |
An great sighting!
The observer over the past several years has photographed quite a few
Broad-winged Hawks. |
Mark S. |
26 Apr 2006 |
Acc |
I really don't like
records that come with photos only and essentially no written description
- but the photos clearly show
Broad-winged Hawks. Should we ask for more specific details on when and
where each bird was? Before we pass this on, should we assume that these
are all different birds, or do we need to ask the observer to explain the
behavior to be sure we have five different birds? |
Larry T. |
5 Jun 2006 |
Acc |
I would agree with
Mr. Liguori about the need to review this bird. |
Merrill W. |
1 May 2006 |
Acc |
Good description
accompanied by definitive photos. |
David W. |
27 Apr 2006 |
Acc |
Remarkable record so far as the number of birds observed.
Photos were very helpful. |
2006-17 Painted Redstart
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
26 May 2006 |
Acc |
Another very sparse
(but diagnostic) description, nice photos. We observed a pair of Painted
Redstarts on a nest in this area on May 7, 2006. |
Ronald R. |
8 May 2006 |
Acc |
Adequate photos
(despite minimal written description) of a very distinct species. |
Terry S. |
3 May 2006 |
Acc |
Good Photos |
Mark S. |
29 Apr 2006 |
Acc |
Kind of sparce in
the description, but the photos show Painted Redstart. Location becoming
traditional. |
Larry T. |
5 Jun 2006 |
Acc |
|
Merrill W. |
1 May 2006 |
Acc |
Photos were
definitive; description adequate. Plus, this seems to be where this
species has been observed every year for the last four-five years.
Interesting to know if it is the same pair.
Correction on the elevation listed. It isn't 7,000 feet--more like
3000--3500 feet. |
David W. |
2 May 2006 |
Acc |
It is amazing how this bird (or tiny population) keeps coming back year
after year to the same spot in Zion NP.
The description is truly minimal (though diagnostic with such a colorful
bird), but the photos are great. |
2006-18 Ruddy Turnstone
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
26 May 2006 |
Acc |
Convincing
description. |
Ronald R. |
16 Jun 2006 |
Acc |
While the view was
not optimal, the described field marks eliminate all other species of
shorebirds. |
Terry S. |
8 May 2006 |
Acc |
Even though the bird
was seen at a distance, dignostic markings were noted. |
Mark S. |
8 May 2006 |
Acc |
It's unfortunate
that the lighting wasn't better - it's hard to be certain with such a
distant view with heat-waves, and I
cautiously vote to accept this record. It's lucky that it's such a
distinctive bird, and the observer reports just enough of the field marks
to eliminate other shorbirds. I just can't imagine what else might fit the
description. |
Larry T. |
5 Jun 2006 |
Acc |
|
Merrill W. |
25 May 2006 |
Acc |
Description of head
and back effectively eliminated other shorebirds. |
David W. |
9 May 2006 |
Acc |
Although I wish the observer had dealt with the possibility of a female
Wilson's phalarope (which is similar to the described bird in size, ruddy
back, white hindcrown, and dark band across breast--which at that distance
could have seemed black), the behavior described should eliminate that
possibility. |
2006-19 Red-necked Grebe
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
26 May 2006 |
Acc |
Very thorough
description. |
Ronald R. |
25 Jul 2006 |
Acc |
Excellent
description and photo. |
Terry S. |
1 Jun 2006 |
Acc |
An excellent
descriptive narrative. |
Mark S. |
13 Jul 2006 |
Acc |
Excellent
description - photo shows a Red-necked Grebe. |
Larry T. |
10 Jul 2006 |
Acc |
Doesn't get any
easier than this one. |
Merrill W. |
25 May 2006 |
Acc |
Pretty close to
misidentify this species. All fieldmarks adequately described plus
the observer eliminated other possible grebes. |
David W. |
6 Jun 2006 |
Acc |
Very complete record, as one would expect from Kristin. |
2006-20 Prothonotary Warbler
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
11 Jun 2006 |
Acc |
This description is
incredibly brief, but I guess it touches on the key features for this
distinctive warbler. |
2nd round |
31
Jul 2006 |
Acc |
|
Ronald R. |
25 Jul 2006 |
No, ID |
The description was
inadequate to determine identification as a prothonotary warbler. A
resubmission would be nice, but it was seen 6 years ago. |
2nd round |
31
Jul 2006 |
No,
ID |
I still feel this
description is too brief for acceptance. In addtion, the field marks
described are also not fully accurate:
Prothonotary warbler has blue-gray wings, not upperparts as described, the
head is entirely bright orange-yellow, not just the face. As described,
the bird is not safely distinguished from a first winter female magnolia
warbler. While I believe the observer likely saw a Prothonotary Warbler, I
don't feel the record is sufficient to describe this species. |
Terry S. |
1 Jun 2006 |
Acc |
This is an adequate
description that eliminates other faintly similar species |
2nd round |
7
Sep 2006 |
Acc |
|
Mark S. |
13 Jul 2006 |
Acc |
Pretty limited
description of a distinctive species from a very experienced observer. How
to vote? I'll vote to accept based upon the idea that it would be hard for
such an experienced observer to mistake this species. |
2nd round |
19
Oct 2006 |
No,
ID |
It looks like this
record is headed for passage, so this vote won't "count," but I'm swayed
by Ron's arguments that the description could easily apply to a first fall
female Magnolia (enhanced by a month of looking at them here in Veracruz).
I still think it would be difficult for such an experienced observer to
mistake this identification, however, I have to admit that if I voted to
accept, it would be based solely on the observer's experience, and that my
previous vote to accept was also mostly due to my knowledge of the
observer, and not on the evidence as presented. I don't think that we
should put that much weight on the observer's experience. |
Larry T. |
10 Jul 2006 |
Acc |
Maybe getting on the
late side for this species but I think it's ok. A easy bird to ID with a
good look. |
2nd round |
12
Sep 2006 |
Acc |
|
Merrill W. |
17 Jul 2006 |
Acc |
Adequate description
even if it is being submitted after the fact. Still important to
consider, especially for that part of the state. |
2nd round |
29
Sep 2006 |
Acc |
I still vote to
accept this record based on the adequate description. |
David W. |
31 May 2006 |
Acc |
Good description. I am very troubled by the fact that this record is from
memory 5.5 yrs after the sighting, but the description is very good. |
2nd round |
1 Aug
2006 |
Acc |
I wish the observer
had mentioned whether the bird had wing bars or not, which is a basic
field mark in warblers. I think Ron brings up an interesting possibility
with the winter female Magnolia, but I wouldn't describe that species as
ever having a bright yellow face. |
2006-21 Painted Bunting
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
11 Jun 2006 |
Acc |
Another ridiculously
brief description, but there is no other bird with a blue head,
green wings, and red undersides. Timing is consistent with vagrant Painted
Buntings observed in neighboring states. (These 'partial' records are very
difficult to review, should we consider some minimum standards for records
that we review?). |
2nd round |
31
Jul 2006 |
Acc |
Although this is a
very brief description, the coloration described is distinctive. As to
natural occurrence, have any of you ever met anyone who had a Painted
Bunting as a pet? |
Ronald R. |
25 Jul 2006 |
No, ID |
This record does not
contain sufficient detail to determine whether this bird was a painted
bunting. The color pattern was
consistent with this species, but I feel more detail on overall shape,
bill shape, and color pattern are necessary for sufficient documentation. |
2nd round |
31
Jul 2006 |
No,
ID |
As in with my first
comments, I still feel the description is too brief. I also agree with
Mark, Larry and Merrill that the bird
may be an escaped cage bird. |
Terry S. |
1 Jun 2006 |
Acc |
This is a rather
sparse description for a state first record. This a very distinctive
species, however, and the observer is very
familiar with the species.The record should be accepted as
"Hypothetical" until physical documentation for this species is submitted
and accepted by the Records Committee. |
2nd round |
7
Sep 2006 |
Acc |
I don't think
this is an escaped caged bird. I have talked to Owen Hogle who runs the
Salt Lake Wildbird Center. He is quite familiar with the exotic and wild
birds that are kept locally as pets. Even though Painted Buntings may be
kept in Mexico, he has never heard of one being kept locally primarily
since it is illegal. The date of sighting also coincides with when we
would expect to see a vagrant Painted Bunting. |
Mark S. |
13 Jul 2006 |
No, Nat |
I don't really have
questions over the i.d. of this bird in spite of an inadequate description
but I would like a discussion of the
natural occurance of a male of this species in an urban area with a large
immigrant population. This species is commonly kept as a cage bird in
Mexico and I wonder about the potential of birds being kept illegally
escaping. |
2nd round |
19
Oct 2006 |
No,
Nat |
I don't doubt that
Painted Bunting occurs naturally in Utah, but this record seems suspicious
to me, and without some evidence of wild origin, I'm reluctant to accept
this record. |
Larry T. |
10 Jul 2006 |
No, Nat |
I'm sure it was a
Painted Bunting but natural occurrence has to be Questioned. With this
bird being in Salt Lake and without a better description of the condition
of the bird like tail wear, the feet, color of the red which seems to be
not as bright on a caged bird.
It's certainly possible but without photos and a better write up I can't
accept this one. |
2nd round |
12
Sep 2006 |
No,
Nat |
I need to have more
evidence on this type of bird to accept it. |
Merrill W. |
17 Jul 2006 |
No, Nat |
The description
probably fits the Painted Bunting, but I would like more just to satisfy
the fact that this is a first state bird. I also can't escape the
feeling that it might be an escaped caged bird--maybe not, but I think
that has to be considered here. And I still don't understand how "phiz"
fits into a description of this particular species. |
2nd round |
29
Sep 2006 |
No,
Nat |
Can't accept based
on sketchy description and the possibility that it could be an escaped
caged bird. |
David W. |
31 May 2006 |
Acc |
Thin description, but hits the highlights. Odd that the observer described
the "wings" as green rather than the back & "shoulder" portion of wing.
But options for alternatives are limited here.
[By the way, can someone tell me what "phiz" is?] |
2nd round |
1
Aug 2006 |
No,
Nat |
I think Mark, et al.
have a good point on the escaped cage bird possibility. I like
Larry's discussion on ways to tell a caged bird
from a truly wild individual, though I am skeptical whether it would ever
be straight forward to eliminate the escaped bird possibility from
widely-kept passerine species such as this. In this case, though, the
record's pausity of description compels me to switch my vote (there is no
suggestion in the record that points to wild origins). |
2006-22 Red-throated Loon
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
11 Jun 2006 |
Acc |
Again this
submission begs for minimum standards. (However the photo clearly shows a
RT Loon.) |
Ronald R. |
25 Jul 2006 |
Acc |
Written description
too limited for ID, but photo sufficient. |
Terry S. |
18 Jul 2006 |
Acc |
The photo convinces
me this is an acceptable record. A written description would make this a
more complete record |
Mark S. |
13 Jul 2006 |
Acc |
I really don't like
records that only come with photographs - and I do have some questions
about the bird in this photograph. It appears too stocky and short-necked
for a Red-throated Loon, and the bill looks short. However, I'll
reluctantly vote to accept because I think the shape may be due to the
bird's posture, and I think the photo does show a Red-throated Loon, but
I'm not happy about it. |
Larry T. |
10 Jul 2006 |
Acc |
Nice record. |
Merrill W. |
17 Jul 2006 |
Acc |
I don't really like
accepting this without more description, especially the head area.
The observer should know better, based on his extensive experience with
records for the CBC's in the two state region. I still feel uneasy
accepting this, and wouldn't if it were a state record. |
David W. |
15 Jun 2006 |
Acc |
I am disappointed with the lack of description that constitutes this
record. I have some philosophical reservations about voting for a record
that relies almost exclusively on a photo in lieu of words. |
2006-23 Clay-colored Sparrow
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
11 Jun 2006 |
Acc |
Nice record, good
photos and adequate description |
Ronald R. |
25 Jul 2006 |
Acc |
|
Terry S. |
18 Jul 2006 |
Acc |
Great photos and
description |
Mark S. |
13 Jul 2006 |
Acc |
I think the strong
facial and crown stripes visible adequately eliminate the possibilty of
Brewer's and Chipping Sparrows. |
Larry T. |
10 Jul 2006 |
Acc |
Photos look
like a Clay-colored Sparrow. Good description. |
Merrill W. |
17 Jul 2006 |
Acc |
Thank goodness for
good photos. The head markings certainly qualify this as a
Clay-colored Sparrow. |
David W. |
12 Jul 2006 |
Acc |
Nice photos. Clear median stripe in springtime, gray nape, pale lores,
distinct moustachial stripe, buffy wash to breast, bright
facial pattern... |
2006-24 Glossy Ibis
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
17 Jul 2006 |
Acc |
Nice thorough
description |
Ronald R. |
28 Jul 2006 |
Acc |
|
Terry S. |
18 Jul 2006 |
Acc |
This record has an
excellent description with careful elimination of a White-faced Ibis.
Should be accepted as "Hypothetical" as a state first record without
physical documentation. |
Mark S. |
13 Jul 2006 |
Acc |
Missed the drawing,
but the description and analysis was excellent. Nice state-first record. |
Larry T. |
6 Aug 2006 |
Acc |
Nice documentation.
This is one that I've been expecting to be located in the state. |
Merrill W. |
17 Jul 2006 |
Acc |
Very thorough
description. Convenient to have the other species nearby with which
to make the comparison. |
David W. |
13 Jun 2006 |
Acc |
Nice, thorough description. Well done.
The recently-reported spread of this species into Idaho corresponds nicely
with the reports of Glossies in Cache Valley during May/June of this year.
Apparently people in Idaho and Utah had looked for this species in the
past, but it is only this year that they have been found.
It bears noting that the Glossy ibis we saw on the 10th of June had a
dusky blue-gray face rather than the brown face reported by Ron. I do not
know whether that suggests a different individual or just different light
conditions. |
2006-25 Glossy Ibis
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
17 Jul 2006 |
Acc |
Another adequate
description. Is this the same bird as 2006-24? |
Ronald R. |
28 Jul 2006 |
Acc |
Sufficient
description to eliminate white-faced ibis. |
Terry S. |
18 Jul 2006 |
Acc |
An excellent
description. White-faced Ibis carefully eliminated. Accept as
"Hypothetical" until record with physical documentation is accepted. |
Mark S. |
13 Jul 2006 |
Acc |
Excellent
description. The only question I have is the distance to the bird, but
apparently the light was good and as described it would appear that a
hybrid is adequately eliminated. |
Larry T. |
6 Aug 2006 |
Acc |
Another nice
description. Could be the same bird as 2006-24 but I wouldn't be surprised
if it was a different bird. |
Merrill W. |
17 Jul 2006 |
Acc |
Good comparison
between this species and the similar White-faced Ibis. I'm satisfied
they saw a Glossy Ibis. |
David W. |
15 Jun 2006 |
Acc |
|
2006-26 Tufted Duck
| resubmissionl comments (2021) |
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
17 Jul 2006 |
No, ID |
Sounds like a Tufted
Duck, however I'll await the photos (or a second write-up) for this
potential first state record. |
2nd round |
25 Sep 2006 |
No, Int |
I think it is
important the photos accompany this record, so I'm holding out for the
photos on this one. |
3rd round |
18 Feb 2007 |
No, Int |
I appreciate that
Mark submitted the photos, however unfortunately the scanned images don't
show much detail. So based on the submitted description, I'm willing to
accept this as a Tufted Duck. However I agree with Ron, that the mid-June
date goes against this being of natural occurrence. By mid-May, over 95%
of wintering waterfowl have moved out of southern Utah (Washington and
Kane Counties). Each year there a few first summer Ring-necks, Redheads,
Shovelers and a few other species that hang around. |
Ronald R. |
28 Jul 2006 |
No, Nat |
The description
clearly described a male tufted duck. However, the legs were not observed
for bands and indication of an escapee. I would like further discussion of
this bird as this species is rather common in waterfowl collections at
parks and zoos. |
2nd round |
23 Oct 2006 |
No, Nat |
I still question the
origin of the bird without someone seeing that there were not leg bands.
The behavior seems good for a wild bird, but the absence of a leg band
would have made the possibility of an escapee low. I have seen very
"wild-like" behavior in other escaped waterfowl (e.g., bar-headed goose,
Egyptian goose) so don't feel confident in using the behavior as
convincing for a wild bird. |
3rd round |
8 Jan 2007 |
No, Nat |
While I am still
convinced the observers saw a tuffted duck (the photo is marginal at best,
but may show a tuft), I still worry
about whether the bird was an escape. Most difficult is the timing of the
observation, early summer when these birds should be far north. Nearly all
of the california and other western records are for fall, winter and to
mid-spring. Since tufted duck is no longer a review species in California,
a recent summer record has not been evaluated by their records committee
so it is hard to determine whether they would accept this as natural or
not. For a first state record, I would at least like to have
the bird occur during fall through mid-spring, or have no leg band (not
checked for this bird). |
Terry S. |
18 Jul 2006 |
Acc |
Good description and
careful elimination of other similar species including possible hybrid.
Should be accepted as "hypothetical" until physical documentation is
accepted for this species. |
2nd round |
7 Sep 2006 |
Acc |
Mark's
comments are helpful. |
3rd round |
21 Nov 2006 |
Acc |
I am still convinced
this is an acceptable record and see no indication that it is an escaped
bird. |
Mark S. |
13 Jul 2006 |
Acc |
Good description. I
saw the same bird on the evening of June 11 and took photos of it. My
photos are slides and I don't have digital copies, but if I can find them
(sorry, my recent accident has made it difficult to search for them) I'll
scan a couple and send them to Milt. The bird I saw was much as described,
but was keeping company with Ring-necked Ducks on the evening I was there.
The long tuft, the completely white sides and the bill markings made the
bird stand out well from the Ring-necks. I only had two concerns about
this bird - was it a hybrid or an escapee? Tufted Ducks do hybridize with
scaup, but the hybrids usually show some white flecking on the back, and
this bird was solid black on the back, and in every other respect looked
like a pure Tufted Duck.
The question of an escapee is more difficult, as Tufted Ducks are kept in
a few public and private collections. However, I judged the behavior of
this bird to be inconsistant with a formerly captive bird. As I approached
for photographs, it was always among the most shy of the ducks on the
pond, often staying on the far side, and mostly flushing first among the
diving ducks (the birds flew back and forth among the three lakes). This
did not appear to me to be the behavior of an escapee. |
2nd round |
19 Oct 2006 |
Acc |
My regrets that
because of the difficult past few months I've had that I have been unable
to spend the time needed to find my photos, but hope to do so soon, and
will submit them to supplement this record. |
3rd round |
21 Nov 2006 |
Acc |
I won't mind waiting
on this until I get back to Utah in December and can find my photos, if
other committee members feel that they'd like to "table" this until the
photos can be produced. Otherwise, my earlier comments apply. |
Larry T. |
14 Aug 2006 |
Acc |
I was a little
worried about the date of this sighting. But after a little research
I found that there is at least one summer record from Cal. And any
duck can be around in summer. Especially divers.
I guess multiple observers with experience is good enough for a first
state record. If there are photos I would like to see them with this
record. |
2nd round |
12 Sep 2006 |
Acc |
With Marks comments
and multiple observers seeing this bird I feel good about accepting it.
But I hope the pics will be added with this record. |
3rd round |
15 Feb 2007 |
Acc |
The photos aren't
much help on this record. And the date still bothers me a little. But I
spoke to a couple people on the CBRC and they both said they would view
the record favorably if it acted wild and wasn't in a area with other
domestic waterfowl.
With Marks comments I see no reason to think this was an escaped bird. |
Merrill W. |
15 Aug 2006 |
No, ID |
Not enough evidence. |
2nd round |
29 Sep 2006 |
No, ID |
Would have helped to
have had a photograph. For a record like this one, there ought to be
more documentation. |
Kristin P. 3rd round |
17 Jan 2007 |
No. ID |
I'm left with the
feeling that the observer saw a Tufted Duck, but the record doesn't
provide enough substantiation to squelch all doubts. I would like to have
seen more descriptive information to accept as a first state record. For
instance, presence/absence of white margin at the base of the upper
mandible, extent of the black tip with comparisons to other Aythya
species, etc. This type of info should have been available due to the
initial proximity of the bird, optics and the
great lighting. |
David W. |
15 Jun 2006 |
Acc |
I am glad this record was finally submitted by SOMEONE. I would happily
have done so, but I missed it by a day. |
2nd round |
12 Sep 2006 |
Acc |
I think Ron's
comments regarding the origin of the bird are very pertinent, but it
sounds like the bird behaved as a wild
individual from Mark's comments (as much as one can ever be sure with such
a widely-kept species when one doesn't see its legs), and certainly none
of the observers at the time noted clipped wings as it flew from pond to
pond. |
3rd round |
7 Jan 2007 |
Acc |
I was hoping for a
bit more on the photo front, but I still think there is no evidence for
this being an escaped bird. |
2006-26r Tufted Duck
Resubmission comments, (23 Feb 2021) with "on its merits"
bylaws change (IV.C.11) |
original comments |
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
10 Apr 2021 |
No, Nat |
I support the UBRC's previous decision on this
record. |
2nd round |
25 Jun 2021 |
No, Nat |
See comments under 2008-084 (I really
don't have any problem with the written description of this record (as
witnessed by my original votes to accept in 2008), but as I stated before
I will stand by the UBRC's original decision on this record. I still
believe this process of re-reviewing a few handpicked records (and let's
be clear they were not "re-submitted") is completely arbitrary, lacks in
process, and ultimately undermines the UBRC's credibility. I understand
there were some slight changes in the committee's bylaws, but if we are
going to apply these changes retrospectively, than we should use a
systematic process. Re-reviewing a few records hand selected by the
secretary appears desultory at best.) |
Stephanie
G. |
28 Mar 2021 |
Acc |
Tuft can be seen in photo, description supports
ID. |
2nd round |
25 May 2021 |
No, Nat |
Mike's comments about the timing of this record,
combined with original comments from the first round of voting, have me
convinced enough that this could be an escaped bird. I believe it is a
Tufted Duck, but I'm not convinced "beyond a reasonable doubt" that it's
not an aviary escapee. |
3rd round |
28 Aug 2021 |
No, Nat |
I believe it to be a Tufted Duck, however, the
issues with its natural occurrence brought up, and the previous voting for
the record, lead me to vote no. |
Mike H. |
4 Mar 2021 |
To 2nd |
First, is the bird in the photo a Tufted Duck? I
would say yes. So, the question should be provenance. There has been
nearly 15 years of additional occurrence data for this species since its
original review. For the month of June there has only been 1 eBird report
of TUDU in the lower 48 prior to, and after the record in question. I
personally feel if there isn t credible info on a bird being an escapee,
it should be treated as a free roaming, wild bird. |
2nd round |
20 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
Mike's comments about the timing of this record,
combined with original comments from the first round of voting, have me
convinced enough that this could be an escaped bird. I believe it is a
Tufted Duck, but I'm not convinced "beyond a reasonable doubt" that it's
not an aviary escapee. |
3rd round |
1 Jul 2021 |
Acc |
|
Max M.
3rd: |
20 Aug 2021 |
No, Nat |
No question on the ID, but the timing is
questionable. I think Bryant makes some good points about captive
birds/escapees, but I don't think I am convinced beyond a reasonable
doubt. |
Bryant
O. |
23 Feb 2021 |
Acc |
Photo does seem to show a drake Tufted Duck, and
description seems to eliminate other possibilities including hybrid. |
2nd round |
3 May 2021 |
Acc |
Now that I can see the original comments, I can
see the issue was of providence, not ID. I work at an aviary and we have
many captive ducks. All of ours our "pinned", which means they can never
fly. This is a common practice even at private aviaries, but even given
that some do not, captive raised ducks don't act like wild ducks. They
swim up to you looking for hand outs and give you that Audrey "Feed Me"
look. From the description of the behavior of this bird, it seemed like a
very wild bird. Why not just a lost vagrant that paired up with
Ring-necked Ducks instead of making the 5000 mile journey back to Asia?
Ducks do like dabble in love affairs with other species, we have a wild
RNDU that follows around a captive pinned LESC hen probably because its
the 1st female duck he ever meet that didn't immediately fly away from him
(because she can't), he's been at her side for 5 years. Love works in
mysterious ways. Also captive ducks are DUMB and not likely to survive in
the wild long on their own. |
3rd round |
2 Jul 2021 |
Acc |
I've not been swayed to believe this is an
escapee, and the bird is clearly a TUDU. |
Mike
S. |
4 Apr 2021 |
No, Nat |
I believe the ID is established in the
description, and is backed up in the poor photos. I was prepared to accept
until I saw the timing of this observation, which would be exceptional in
June, and I wonder about the provenance of this bird. According to eBird,
there are no Tufted Duck records even nearing this far south during June.
I realize we just changed our bylaws to only vote on records based on
their "merits." However, I still believe factors such as expected vagrancy
timing should be considered under the "merits" of a record. If I am
misinterpreting how we are defining "merits" then I open to changing my
vote. |
2nd round |
27 May 2021 |
Acc |
I'll switch my vote on this one as well.
Although I am still concerned about the timing, Mark's described behavior
doesn't seem to match that of a captive escapee. The fact that this bird
was only around for a short period of time may also indicate increased
likelihood of a wild vagrant.
I'd be more hesitant to accept under our previous 'state first' voting
guidance, but I believe there is a compelling argument based on the
evidence we have. |
3rd round |
30 Jun 2021 |
No, Nat |
I hate flip-flopping on these records.
However, I have struggled with determining the proper 'criteria' in which
to judge some of these re-reviews. I don't think we should discount the
committee's original decision on these records, particularly specific
concerns that were raised (and for this record, it appears that provenance
was the main concern).
For records that were originally rejected under the previously higher
standard for a state first, I believe we have to decide if the committee
originally considered the "merits" of the record (to take the wording from
our bylaws). If we are in general agreement that vagrancy timing and
provenance should be considered under the merits of a record, then I have
to determine that the merits were considered when first reviewed.
Although I have argued for both sides on this one, I am most comfortable
deferring to the committee's original decision on this record. |
Bryan S. |
11 Apr 2021 |
Acc |
Curious why this wasn't accepted when originally
submitted. Even though the photos aren't great the bright white flanks and
all black back should eliminate similar species. Was there a question
about it being an escapee? |
2nd round |
19 May 2021 |
Acc |
The description and photos are a tufted duck.
Not sure why it is around so late in the year, but also not sure why it is
in this hemisphere in the first place. Without anything else pointing
toward an escapee I lean toward accept |
3rd round |
4 Jul 2021 |
Acc |
|
Steve S.
2nd: |
26 Jun 2021 |
No, ID |
Again I don't know why we are re-reviewing this
record as it was sent in with documentation the first time.I will stick
with the original votr of the committee. |
Mark
S. |
12 Mar 2021 |
Acc |
Having seen a number of Tufted Ducks since this
one, I don't think there is much evidence of a hybrid in this bird - the
back was solid black, the flanks uniformly white, and the tuft long and
obvious. The poor photo doesn't illustrate well how distinct it was.
I also don't think and escapee is likely, as the time of year is
consistent with other U.S. records, and the bird was even more wary of our
presence than the Ring-neck Ducks it was accompanying. We chased it
through all three of the lakes, as it continually fled our approach. |
2nd round |
6 Jun 2021 |
Acc |
As per my previous comments. |
3rd round |
28 Jul 2021 |
Acc |
As per my previous comments. |
David
W. |
23 Feb 2021 |
Acc |
Although the photos make it seem there may have
been psychedelics involved, Larene's written report describes a Tufted
duck. I am sad to say that I can personally testify that the duck was gone
by the following day. |
2nd round |
19 Apr 2021 |
No, Nat |
First, to address Mike S's question: Yes,
species migration patterns are definitely cogent to our deliberations. So,
if you feel the timing of this record bears significantly on its
provenance, please vote accordingly.
Second, Mike is absolutely right that BY FAR most of the eBird records for
the western USA and adjacent Canada are for winter and spring (most before
May, but some into that month). I did find three summer records, but these
records are definitely the exception. The records I found in my
scattershot clicking on eBird's occurrence map are:
20 Jul @ Lake Mitchell, BC
26-27 Jun @ Snohomish, WA
14 Jul-18 Aug @ Lancaster, CA
That is definitely a small percentage of the records I clicked on.
However, I note that Mark's record isn't even recorded on that map. I do
not know whether eBird has chosen to question and suppress "out of season"
records for the (circular) argument that there are not many of them, or
whether Mark never entered the record into eBird to begin with. [Maybe
Colby & Mark could shed some light on this question of whether eBird
occurrence maps are edited in this way.]
Third, it sounds like we all believe this was a Tufted duck. So the
question comes down to whether this was a wild bird. I agree with the Mike
H. argument. What evidence do we have this bird wasn't wild (other than
the timing)? It acted like a wild bird. Looks like a duck, flies like a
duck...
Fourth, this bird was seen back in the "stone age" of birding before eBird
and cell phone alerts when there were far fewer birders around to monitor
our skies and ponds. The sentries were fewer, so it was much easier for a
bird to slip through the net. This bird could easily have bopped around
North America for months after first arriving without being reported. The
fact that this bird was so flighty at the sight of humans (and indeed was
gone by the next day) supports the wild origin hypothesis. In Europe, in
areas where this species has become accustomed to humans (as in the larger
cities along the major rivers), Tufted ducks are not that flighty. They
seem more tolerant of human approach than described here.
But the timing is definitely a good argument. Ron R. did a very fine job
addressing this issue back in the 2006 round. Why isn't this bird up north
during the summer? Then again, in Eurasia the Breeding range of Tufted
ducks extends south to the Pyrenees, the Balkans, and Japan, which is not
that far from of our latitude.
As you can tell from my arguing both side of the issue, I am truly torn. I
think, to be consistent with my previous years of voting, I will change my
vote toward the conservative unless I hear something ameliorating from
Colby. I reserve the right to change my mind if other evidence comes in. |
3rd round |
27 Jul 2021 |
No, Nat |
My only concern is the timing. I believe this
was likely a wild duck, but not beyond a reasonable doubt. |
Kevin
W. 3rd: |
27 Aug 2021 |
No, Nat |
It seems that most are in agreement that the
identity of the duck is not in question, but that its provenance is. There
are enough comments, including timing, to convince me that natural
occurrence may be questionable. |
2006-27 Glossy Ibis
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
17 Jul 2006 |
Acc |
Well, there is no
description....., but the photo is certianly definitive. |
Ronald R. |
28 Jul 2006 |
Acc |
Insufficient
description, but good photos safely eliminate white-faced ibis. |
Terry S. |
18 Jul 2006 |
Acc |
Great photo but no
narrative. |
Mark S. |
13 Jul 2006 |
Acc |
He's right, I don't
like the lack of description. The photos, however, do show a Glossy Ibis. |
Larry T. |
6 Aug 2006 |
Acc |
The photos are nice.
I'm glad this wasn't the first one to be found. |
Merrill W. |
17 Jul 2006 |
Acc |
Nice that I read the
descriptions submitted by the previous observers to make up for the lack
of a description on this record, assuming that it could be the same
bird...... The photo pretty well substantiates the previous
sightings eventhough they were good enough to stand on their own. |
David W. |
27 Jun 2006 |
Acc |
Great photo. |
2006-28 Pileated Woodpecker
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
25 Sep 2006 |
No, ID |
I'd like to have
some discussion on this one. Any chance this could have been a Kingfisher
(size, underwings, bill description
could fit)? A few other things about the description are puzzling, as
Pileated Woodpeckers are decidely smaller than American Crows. |
2nd round |
7 Dec 2006 |
No, ID |
|
Ronald R. |
28 Jul 2006 |
No, ID |
I am siding with the
observer that the observation was too brief for complete confidence in the
identification of this species. |
2nd round |
5 Dec 2006 |
No, ID |
My comments still apply. I also feel Rick and David have valid points. |
Terry S. |
18 Jul 2006 |
Acc |
This is a very
distinctive species and the description given by the observer, while not
complete, convinces me this record should be accepted as "Hypothetical" |
2nd round |
11 Oct 2006 |
No, ID |
With further consideration I believe the details on this record are
lacking. The very brief view does not entirely rule out a kingfisher or
some other species that gave the appearance of a Pileated Woodpecker |
Mark S. |
13 Jul 2006 |
Acc |
I'd like to see this
record get some discussion. Although it's hard to imagine for what it
could be mistaken, and the description sounds good, especially the
described flight pattern, I feel that such a remarkable record deserves
more scrutiny. I do have questions beyond the obvious reservations of a
poorly-seen bird in less than perfect light. The bill seems long, and I
would think it would appear pale from below - the bill sounds more
kingfisher-like. Also, how visble would the crest be at this angle? The
white underwing area seems too extensive (though this can be variable), as
only about half of the underwing should be white. For a remarkable
state-first record I would be more comfortable with a better-seen and
documented bird. |
2nd round |
21 Nov 2006 |
No, ID |
I feel that there's not enough here to accept such a rare record. |
Larry T. |
12 Sep 2006 |
No, ID |
This is a distinct
looking bird and could be identified while driving. But for a first state
record I think we need a little more
evidence. |
2nd round |
30 Sep 2006 |
No, ID |
Not enough to go on. |
Merrill W. |
17 Jul 2006 |
Acc |
Hypothetical because
no photo and only one observer. The description seems good, even for
10-15 seconds. Eventhough I accept this conditionally, I can't
justify it being a state record based on my first comment. |
2nd round |
29 Sep 2006 |
No, ID |
Sorry to change my vote on this one, but feel that the arguments against
accepting are more persuasive than the ones I had for accepting.
Even the person submitting the report suggested that there ought to be
more certain data for accepting. |
David W. |
12 Jul 2006 |
No, ID |
This was an interesting record, with lots of detail, especially
considering how briefly the bird was seen. I seriously considered voting
for the record until I saw the additional comment by the observer, urging
us not to accept the record. I commend the observer for being so willing
to point out doubts about his own record, even after going
to all the trouble of writing it up.
The observer pointed out that the bird he saw looked most like a
kingfisher. This seems to be an astute observation, and my imagination
fails me in thinking of a more obvious alternative. I think this
comparison bears some more exploration:
Size: although the Pileated is supposed to average about 3-4 inches
larger, a bird in flight can be hard to accurately size-up, especially
while driving.
Bill size: 3 inches seems a bit large for a Pileated woodpecker. A
kingfisher is not a bad match for this.
Crest: Again, a kingfisher has that.
White face: I would not really describe either species as having a "pure
white face", but both have extensive white in the face area to varying
degrees. The black face mask on a white face is definitely a better field
mark for the Pileated woodpecker, but I suppose at highway speeds one
might possibly mis-see the dark head as a mask contrasting with the white
neck & chin, especially from below.
White wings edged black: Both species have very similar wing patterns
matching this description.
Rest of bird nearly all black: A very convincing field mark to eliminate
the kingfisher, which is mostly white below.
Neck: The description of a bird with a visible neck is a better match for
a Pileated woodpecker than a kingfisher.
Flight: Definitely, the described flight style points to a woodpecker
rather than a kingfisher.
Again, were this not the first official record for this species, were it
not for the observer's brief view while driving, and were it not for the
observer's urging us to vote against the record, I would likely vote to
accept this record.
I would like to point out, smiling, that the observer also ably eliminated
the possibility of an Ivory-billed or Imperial woodpecker, both of which
are similar at highway speeds (not that I speak from personal
experience, mind you), with the description of the wing pattern. Nice... |
2nd round |
29 Sep 2006 |
No, ID |
Although I'm tempted to go with the "Hypothetical List" option, I will
defer to the observer's reservations. |
2006-29 Least Tern
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
31
Jul 2006 |
Acc |
Very limited
description, but I suppose it's adequate for this distinctive tern. |
Ronald R. |
28 Jul 2006 |
Acc |
I feel this
sufficiently describes a breeding plumage least tern. |
Terry S. |
22 Sep 2006 |
Acc |
Characteristic field
marks noted. |
Mark S. |
26 Jul 2006 |
Acc |
Decent, if a bit
spare, description eliminates other possibilities. This species seems to
be becoming quite regular in northern
Utah. |
Larry T. |
12 Sep 2006 |
Acc |
Good description. |
Merrill W. |
29 Sep 2006 |
Acc |
Identified the
salient fieldmarks. |
David W. |
1 Aug 2006 |
Acc |
Not a great job on eliminating other terns, but adequate. |
2006-30 Parasitic Jaeger
Evaluator |
Date |
Vote |
Comment |
Rick F. |
25 Sep 2006 |
Acc |
Outstanding record,
nice write-up and photographs. Clearly documents a Parasitic Jaeger and
photos show several diagnostic characterists, including; bill coloration,
shape, length, and pale crescent at base of upper mandible; photo I shows
at least 5 pale primary shafts; underwing with extensive white crescent at
base of primaries; pointed central tail feathers, etc. |
Ronald R. |
23 Oct 2006 |
Acc |
Nice description and
very helpful photos. The bill shape, pointed, protruding central tail
feathers, and white on upper wing surface are most definitive marks. |
Terry S. |
5 Oct 2006 |
Acc |
Great Photos which
convinces me this is a Parasitic Jeagar.
The observers in their analysis have, I believe, eliminated similar
species especially Long-tailed Jeagar. |
Mark S. |
19 Oct 2006 |
Acc |
This bird received
considerable attention from experts worldwide on ID Frontiers. No
consensus was initially reached based upon conflicting field marks,
however, the photos of the retrieved specimen, along with the presentation
of published references of extensive examination of museum specimens that
showed that shape of the tips of the central rectrices is the only 100%
reliable field mark in juvenile jaegers, caused most (all?) commentors,
including myself, to settle upon Parasitic Jaeger as the correct i.d. for
this bird. The sharply pointed, but short, tips are consistent with
Parasitic, but not Pomarine or Long-tailed. |
Larry T. |
30 Sep 2006 |
Acc |
I think it's a
Hybrid! This is a very difficult bird and I don't think I would have been
able to put a name on this one in the
field. But I would have to go with the experts who called it a Parisitic. |
Merrill W. |
29 Sep 2006 |
Acc |
Fine description
plus great photos help identify this species. |
David W. |
1 Oct 2006 |
Acc |
I have long put off voting on this record because I remember how confusing
this bird was back when people were struggling with its ID on the birdnet/-talk
last year. I must admit that I am no expert on immature jaegers, despite
having seen a fair number in various places over the years. I therefore
rely here on identification advice gleaned from Kaufman's "Advanced
Birding" and ID-Frontiers on the internet, as well as Olsen & Larsson's "Skuas
and Jaegers: A Guide to the Skuas and Jaegers of the World" and
Harrison's "Seabirds: An Identification Guide." I apologize for the
length of my comment to follow, but I thought it important to lay out my
thinking for those of you more expert in this genus to dissect in the
event this record should go to the second round.
My thoughts:
1) The tail looks exactly as a Parasitic tail should, with pointed
central tail feathers (see fig 37 in Kaufman). According to one of the
ID-Frontiers postings, this is the most reliable field mark in immature
(1st two years) jaegers.
2) The bill seems very slightly more like a Parasitic than the other two
jaegers, but only marginally.
--The bill looks a bit too delicate to be a Pomarine, especially the
"hook" and the gonydeal angle.
--The ratio of the nail to the rest of the bill strikes me as very
indeterminate, in that the nail is nearly half the length of the bill
measured on the upper mandible (I measure it at 42.45% from the close-up
photo). In Kaufman's book, the Parasitic is shown as having a
proportionally shorter nail and the Long-tailed as having a proportionally
longer nail. So, to me, this ratio isn't conclusive. According to one of
the posts on ID-Frontiers, the ratio is not terribly reliable anyway (and
from my unscientific perusal of flight photos in "Skuas and Jaegers", I'd
have to agree that bill lengths vary quite a bit within any one species).
3) The upperwing primary shafts again strike me as somewhat ambiguous,
though leaning toward Parasitic or Pomarine. According to Kaufman, the
Long-tailed has significant white primary shafts on only the outer two
primaries, whereas the Parasitic has it on 3-6. When I look at the
close-up of the upper wingtip on this bird, I see 2 1/2 to 3 white shafts
(though the third is less white than the other two). This matches the
drawings in the "Skuas and Jaegers" book for the Parasitic and Pomarine,
but not the Long-tailed jaegers. However, not having studied photos of
wingtips nor skins of these species (some of which apparently have been
misidentified over the years, by the way), I don't feel I am calibrated on
this field mark.
4) Head shape is fairly rounded in one of the photos, appearing more like
a Long-tailed than either of the other two species, but in another photo,
the bird under review has a head shape more consistent with a Parasitic or
Pomarine.
5) Since the review bird is such a dark morph individual, many of the
field marks used to differentiate juvenile/immature jaegers are obscured
(like pale tips to primaries at rest and head/facial markings). However,
the rufous on the undertail coverts does appear to be a trait most
consistent with a Parasitic, as is the rufous on the underwing. The other
two jaegers tend to have "colder" coloration.
6) Kaufman also mentions the paleness in the malar region as being a good
sign of a Parasitic, which this bird seems to exhibit.
Overall, I'd have to say that this is not a "classic" Parasitic jaeger, in
the sense of one that is easy to identify, but nothing about this bird
precludes a Parasitic jaeger either. The the other two jaegers, on the
other hand, do appear to be eliminated by various field marks. |
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